Micro 1026: 09:12 | Game Over

[Datisi]

sorry alisae i don't think i actually have anything else to ask you until i read up and i think that's gonna take more than 20 minutes, esp since it's 2:30am here

[Datisi]

sorry alisae i don't think i actually have anything else to ask you until i read up and i think that's gonna take more than 20 minutes, esp since it's 2:30am here

Who performed the actions during this duration of the day phase that has been most likely to come from scum?

during this day phase? actually me lmfao the rest of y'all have actually been talking

as said i am 5 pages behind and those 5 pages look actually important so idk

[Datisi]

okay this is a catchup post i guess idk

first half of page 67 is kinda townie for iv ngl - i know he has a "as town, spiky towards everyone, as scum, spiky towards teammates" attitude and ngl this feels pretty spiky -- but but but wifom is a thing and he knows i know the above and fuck me

Also this feels like the "vote my buddy as I'm going down" vote.

mmm

george voted iv far before george became a serious wagon. this could be confbias but like, george's vote wasn't reactionary to his own wagon there

honestly if i was scum i probably just concede d2 what was the point

ok this is a note for me for tomorrow when i'm rested, but - my idea of scum!iv is coasting, *but* that idea comes from a game where things were going very smoothly and he was purposefully planking because he was being bussed to hell and back. i need to check some of his scumgames where things were falling apart and if he was efforting or not.

I just finished a game where people wanted to mislim Datisi before just killing the scum. I will prevent it a second time.

while i appreciate what you did in mbos, why are you so sure on me being town this game? like some of your posts towards me earlier gave me a feeling you were scumreading me, but maybe that was just me imagining the tone there

oh, another q now that some games have finished - you never blindly sheeped me in either mbos or white flag. how come this game you were like "yeak yknow what datisi caught ico that one time so let's go onto george"

i really need to check if scum!iv gets toxic though

bottom of page 68 before this turns into a proper wall

[Datisi]

actually now that i mention busing iv to hell and back, literally what happened in that game was

> "ok iv, you're on like y-1, but here's a really good fakeclaim based on what we know about the setup, this should buy you some time, or at the very least make it look like you rolecopped me which should help me carry this"
> *iv gets lolhammered out of nowhere by a bloodthirsty townie*
> *cue mental breakdown*

and now i'm wondering if the same thing happened this game with george lmfao

[Datisi]

while i appreciate what you did in mbos, why are you so sure on me being town this game? like some of your posts towards me earlier gave me a feeling you were scumreading me, but maybe that was just me imagining the tone there

I am figuring things out. But given this game is basically a repeat of garfield in terms of "Datisi pegs scum early and I follow" I feel good about you being town.

oh, another q now that some games have finished - you never blindly sheeped me in either mbos or white flag. how come this game you were like "yeak yknow what datisi caught ico that one time so let's go onto george"

I blindly sheeped you onto ico in Garfield. But in those games at the time I didn't think you were right and iirc you weren't right. I think I just know when to sheep you?

i don't think anyone voting ico after me there could've been considered "blind" sheeping because the dude tripped up bad that game and i don't think anyone needed much history of either of us to see what was happening there

it's fair to say that i was wrong in those games (because uh yeah i sure was) but alisae has me paranoid now whether you're tmi-ing my slot

then then again, i'm not sure the "nope, we're jailing me" makes sense from scum, and the "i don't want to give hammer to datisi" lines up with a different convo we had recently and hmm

pedit: i was never actually scumreading bugs there, it was a reaction test x_x i came off with a townlean on them from it, though i bet i would've been able to get a proper townread if they continued playing the game

[Datisi]

I would rather kill Dwlee than clear him tomorrow because Dwlee's play seems textbook scummy based on this phase alone. It seems like he is playing as I think scum would play right now if scum is trying to win the game.

I don't care who gets jailkept as long as it's not Dwlee

???
if you think they're scum, why would you not want them jailkept? that literally guarantees they die the next day if they're actually scum

[Datisi]

if no kill he literally gets murdered tomorrow, what are you on about

there's no no-kill tricks when it's goon v jailkeeper

if we miss today, either scum kills marci tonight and it's f3 with 1 conftown

or scum doesn't kill, we yeet the jailed person tomorrow, and then go into night with 3 alive and the jk has a 50/50 in stopping the kill or losing the game

like in both scenarios we need to find 1 town correctly

[Datisi]

dwlee, i'm gonna need some explanation on 1717 and how that hammer is bad considering it was a strongman flip

[Datisi]

Quickhammering like that is always +scum

i think you should know better in that quickhammering a strongman partner d1 as goon in a 9p where you know there will be 1-2 tprs who can get hardclears or hardguilties now without even getting him to fakeclaim some bullshit so that he draws some of them out is not the same as any other lul scum quickhammered townie

so i will ask you again

why is that hammer bad

[Datisi]

i don't care about "a hammer like that is always +scum" i need the WHY

[Datisi]

1817 should've said "scum quickhammere partner" why am i awake

one could argue george spilled not being pr by not caring that much about being on y-1 but what do i know

i got to the part where you're talking about scum!alisae doing a possible no-kill gambit on n1 and like i don't think that makes sense but on some dimensional plane it does

pedit: i don't think that's +scum, i vaguely remember skimming through a game alisae played in where he did the same thing or something similar when village was ahead

[Datisi]

1) you kind of answered it yourself, why should I expect you to act the same with a partner from a game from almost a year ago to how you might act around George here

2) honestly I’m not too sure what exactly what ur approach was with me last time and whst ur referring to? Are you referring to pushing me then ultimately getting gypyx killed on D1? can you explain why ur flabbergasted that I’m not getting some reference

...

also that quote was in the context of dwlee’s argument against you

1) i kinda answered it but my answer wasn't satisfactory even for me

2) like i'm referring to only voting you when you were picking up heat (yeah i know we staged a shitfight but the whole point of that shitfight was for us to raise our towniness) and like i think there were people suspecting you beforehand. here, nobody was even looking at george before i jumped on. and then nobody was looking at him long after i voted him. i started getting shit for my george vote from mathblade. why do i do that.

and also i jumped off you to save you and push gypyx through when it was clear that there was enough blood in the water for him to die and that you wouldn't end up getting hanged day one. compared to here where i, at y-1, when it's very very likely that george is gonna die, i make a "hmm maybe george town??" post without actually voting or pushing elsewhere. like it's the complete 180 shift and i know oldish game meta bad but like. and i know it was in response to dwlee but the fact you brought it up seems like you could believe it and just like what. if i'm scum here i had to continuously pick the worst and dumbest possible choice wrt to george and i feel like you should know better than to be saying "datisi tried to back off last minute" as if that's a Thing i would Do

[Datisi]

honestly if i had to tell, i'd say that dwlee maybe kinda sorta feels a little bit too sure in things they're saying. idk some of their cases/convictions feel too sure. but asking to be jailed is kinda suicide for scum!them...

notes for what i need to do tomorrow:
- check whether this kinda play in a shit position is within scum!iv's range
- check whether dwlee gets this sure/changes their mind this quickly on things lategame and maybe try to look at a scumgame (fuck second hand meta)

ok it's 3:30am i'm going to sleep now, see y'all tomorrow

pedit: have we checked norwee's iso for crumbs?

[Datisi]

Didn't you just play with me in MBOS

sure i did

but there things felt pretty clear from my pov so i kinda wasn't paying attention to what you were saying as long as it ended in "kill t3" or "don't kill datisi"

and also something about your posting here pings me in a weird way and i'd have to reread tomorrow to see if it's actually something or it the tiredness from the past few days is getting to me

[Datisi]

like your points about alisae being scum bc the hammer or bc asking for massclaim or bc they had this mech plan of no killing which is why they hammered george kinda feel more like working backwards like "i need to find reasons alisae is scum, let's use this" as opposed to "alisae did these things, they are scummy because xyz" and like, i've never before gotten a feeling like that from you so i wanna recked my work tomorrow

[Datisi]

recked

how the fuck
recheck

i need to go to bed, tiredness and new meds are doing things lmfao

[Datisi]

You backup modded when I was scum in ELO 2216

imagine thinking i read the games that i backup mod

will look at links tomorrow, thank you

[Datisi]

hi gamma

we're currently in a 1 jk 3 vt 1 goon situation

for the love of fuck tell me marci jailed someone last night so that we can do the autowin thing

[Datisi]

dwlee, why is 1843 a sequence that comes from scum

[Datisi]

so both tprs threw the game

cool

[Datisi]

tbh this is a setup that's lowkey only winnable for scum if town throws as hard as they can

it happened last game with the 2 tpr yeets in a row, i sense it's gonna happen this game

anyway we need to find one town in {datisi, alisae, dwlee, innocentvillager} to win

i'd like it to be me because my fucking god my reads from day 2 onwards are an utter mess but you know

you plan on reading the game or?

pedit: uh fuck if i know, i don't remember
i'm gonna go check his last scumgame that i played in, gimme a min

[Datisi]

ok i reread this viewtopic.php?t=86364&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go where he had a grand total of 9 posts before he was hammered and he completely ignored both his partners throughout (like threw a gutloltownreadn on norwee and barely mentioned ico at one point) and mostly voted townies

going by sample size 1 i'd say +town for iv, but i know george is capable of distancing (iirc, he and norwee planned some distancing in achievement unlocked) so /shrug

[Datisi]

to me that reads liek alisae either being sure of your alignment or pretending to be

like i don't think that's that far out of what alisae would normally post that i think it has to be scummy

[Datisi]

probably not

[Datisi]

iv i noticed you answered by q about toxicity but not about wim

what's your levels of effort when you're soloing / in a shite position as a scumfuck

[Datisi]

you can be sure of one's alignment and still end up being wrong

like unless you wanna offer reasons why alisae should be poe'd on that read of you, i don't particularly care about the tone it was presented in

and also at 1865 because it kinda feels like word twisting

[Datisi]

there's scummy tones sure

but i don't think that from alisae is scummy tone because i'm used to e having a tone that pings me weird but it's just the way of speaking

[Datisi]

re gamma - my instinct is to ask why even if i know you're town because i wanna know why but maybe shouldn't waste thread space

also re alisae points - i'm not sure i've ever seen scum!alisae (other than when modding, which isn't really meta) but thr vast majority of my alisae townread comes from the day 1 hammer. mainly, ali hammered george before he claimed, and then flipped strongman. and i have a feeling alisae would know better than to quickhammer the strongman and be left to solo the game as goon without the partner even outing any tprs on his way down

so i won't speak about his tone when i don't know, (and their tone is something i can never read anyway) but i just don't see that as scummy

[Datisi]

A "sure" tone is also completely incongruent with the content + read progression that he has. The content of the posts is that he wants me dead through process of elimination, but the tone is that he caught something that must mean I'm scum. A content + tone incongruency is extremely scummy there

i'm sorry i just don't get it? like i don't get how that tone must mean "i saw something dwlee did and that is scummy so they're scum" versus "i have townreads on the two other people, and dwlee is posting now and i think they're scum"

like idk i just don't see how those posts necessarily mean "i saw a specific thing that made me scumread dwlee"?

[Datisi]

i have somehow come all the way to "wait, iv might actually be the person i would bet the game on if it can't be me" and what is this game lmao

[Datisi]

while i'm kind of thinking that dwlee is scum now, i highkey want them jailed, because if they're town i want them to be making the final call tomorrow bc they townread me lmao

[Datisi]

it's not an ic check for like almost anyone

hold on let me see if i can find it

[Datisi]

i can't find it i'm on mobile and about to sleep sorry

i just have like, this memory of reading a post from alisae where e talks about a newbie setup or something, and how the idea of fakeclaiming a role as scum isn't that you get to live longer, it's that you draw out a tpr on your way down

which made me believe that e wouldn't do the error of hammering george without a claim

like at this point i get that i'm wrong somewhere because all three of you read town to me but aksjslfeb

[Datisi]

and like i also think ali had no reason to think that any of us would've known that and would've brought it up

also uh, my argument was that attacking norwee/mastina as scum made no sense when scum!me could've tried to score a misyeet elsewhere

here alisae attacked you first, no?

ok off to sleep for real, need to get up early tomorrow

[Datisi]

daychat is a thing

you think gb was purposefully ignoring instructions in there and that caused ali to get angry and hammer him? like i'm not saying it's completely impossible but it's def not the first thing to come to mind

[Datisi]

i'm wondering at which point i should start separating my games by years, but i don't play *that* much

also word of advice: don't track your winrates

maybe it's just me being bad at the game but tracking my winrates made the game very unfun because half the time i wasn't thinking of winning for the sake of improvement/fun i was thinking "oh no my winrate"

[Datisi]

jeez

i've been playing more than i ever have since june and i've only played in like ~10 games

how do you manage to many at once

[Datisi]

i started Actually Reading the game and i got another ptsd flashback to chara's folly and i need to go remake a meme from there

[Datisi]

i make meme

Spoiler:

[Datisi]

what was the original meme

viewtopic.php?p=12259280#p12259280

also remaking it now, alisae's text reminds me the most of krazy's text, and like i know it's not necessarily indicative of scum but that fact itself is making me hmm

[Datisi]

I don't believe in meta I just want to check a very specific thing in your scum game so sure link me another one

meta bad expect when i do it and it's not meta if i do it

[Datisi]

I don't believe in meta I just want to check a very specific thing in your scum game so sure link me another one

sure 1 sec
out of curiosity what is this thing

I think if I say it becomes less effective

alisae can't go back and magically change those past scumgames so maybe you actually should say what meta you're looking for here

[Datisi]

yeah I feel like you managed to put similar defenses in the same spots for both memes

i went from my slot counterclockwise, so alisae was last, and i probably did it in that order the last time too

i wonder if it's my brain subconsciously putting the defense i find the least town-indicative last

(even though the hammer is why i townread alisae otiginally the goddamn hammer oh my god i hate this game)

[Datisi]

you can explain what you're doing

[Datisi]

ok i read what i missed and i wanted to say "i find iv kinda sus for not having too much insight after so many pages" but reading those many pages felt like banging my head against the wall so i'm not sure i can blame him really

[Datisi]

i had a dream alisae was last scum and then norwee and i had a shitfight in post game as i was yelling at him for throwing

[Datisi]

which pages are u referring to?

the pages from where i/you last posted till then, it felt like 3-5 pages of content that i thought you would like, have more comments on than you did

but then i also didn't have much so lel

[Datisi]

Yo is it Datisi though

>_>

is this setting up for d4?

like i know whoever is scum here, if they plan to win they *have* to fight me at the end (holy shit i am the final boss) but nobody was like, preparing / setting up their trajectory for it. which i found kinda weird but like don't do this to me dwlee

actually wouldn't scum be more likely to try to townread whoever we vote out today so that they look better, since they can always just go "well i was townreading dats i guess he's scum because i am not lol"

has anyone been consistently townreading the person we're about to yeet? maybe iv but he's been townreading everyone

nvm

[Datisi]

even IV's d2 is weird for scum
like
what is going on if this guy is scum lmao

i went through like 15 posts of his during d2 before i gave up, what is weird about his d2 if he's scum?

[Datisi]

ok, why is pushing norwee weird as scum there

[Datisi]

We went into night 6 - 1. Killing jailkeeper is 5 - 1 with 1 conftown. This is winnable because follower or babysitter doesn't produce a conftown the same night they get killed. (Well, babysitter kind of does but the person is dead which is better)

except follower produces a conftown the night you kill the jailkeeper, so even if you shoot the jk first, you're still left with the follower/babysitter producing one conftown (or killing you) one way or the other

[Datisi]

and the babysitter doesn't produce shit the night you kill the jailkeeper. i'm saying that if you're shooting in order of jailkeeper -> babysitter/follower, both babysitter and follower produce the same amount of conftowns, 1. part of your math was wrong.

[Datisi]

Babysitter produces one conftown: itself

itself + whoever they kill

it's not a "traditional" conftown but it's removing someone from the poe, and reminder if the babysitter had actually done that last night we would've won ughhh

anyway

iv how come ali is now townier than i am?

[Datisi]

why are you telling him no offense when you're saying you think he's town

[Datisi]

a scummy poe person getting removed as babysitter's collateral damage is functionally a conftown, especially as we were on evens oh my god

pedit: because it makes no sense whatsoever?

[Datisi]

unless the idea is "you're acting so fucking stupid right now you have to be uninformed" which (1) rude (2) incorrect, so?

[Datisi]

2179 is the continuation of "why are you apologizing to iv for thinking he's town"

[Datisi]

the other question would be why are you thinking he's town now but let's go one step at the time

pedit: i mostly don't care about that mech argument becasue i've seen the "hurr durr i'm not scum because i wouldn't have made this obvious blinder last night" - scum who made obvious blunder last night so, i'm just sayinf both babysitter and follower create a conftown, babysitter just murders it in the process but it's still +town

[Datisi]

2179 is the continuation of "why are you apologizing to iv for thinking he's town"

Yea I know

ok then can you answer the question?

[Datisi]

where and why and isn't that meta

[Datisi]

where and why

what has he done that is townie since you last suspected him

[Datisi]

i read his posts and they seemed like more the same of scum having no clue what to fucking do other than ate "idk hehe someone bussed it's not me" all over the place so i am asking you to tell me what makes him out of scumrange here

[Datisi]

no idea, my gut tells me yes but i have zero anything to back that up with

[Datisi]

dwlee what are you doing

you said earlier you thought iv was town

would some transparency kill you

[Datisi]

i'm looking for going from iv's absence scares me > actually iv is more townie than datisi > actually let's jailkeep iv

it's fine if you don't have the time right now but like

[Datisi]

i mean i've been asking that for the past how many hours

no offense to iv but he's not being townie at all today and i don't get what you're seeing there

tbf i don't get alisae's read there either but at least they had something

[Datisi]

i hope there is not a tomorrow

because my god i am not looking forward to it if there is

[Datisi]

is it bad that i suddenly have this sinking feeling that it's iv? that's bad, right?

[Datisi]

VOTE: iv

i don't think it matters ultimately, as all yeets/night actions must be coordinated through you

[Datisi]

i wish i had enough confidence in it to ask gamma that

i still don't see either of you voting george the way you did but what if i am Wrong

[Datisi]

yeah I'll jailkeep IV if that's what y'all want

this is fine with me. rn i don't have much hope in picking right atm but maybe it's the late night sad mood speaking.

[Datisi]

spoiler for my preference: whoever townreads me over dwlee should be jailkept

this is a semi shitpost but i also know that is always 100% winning so

[Datisi]

figuring it out is gonna be ez tomorrow just vote person who's not me and gg

[Datisi]

didn't you recently say that you're good at that sorta thing tho

like the dead thread of white flag?

[Datisi]

now i'm wondering if it's dwlee bc they were pretty sure on it not being me in mbos despite the whole game being at my throat

i'm going to sleep before i post more nonsense

[Datisi]

i don't get how anyone could think i was townie in mbos (fan he x where i kept shitpushing town after town, was barely reading half the time, and was gone for multiple days a few times) vs here (sniped the strongman, been hella active, reading all of the nonsense posted)

i know it's difficult to judge from my pov since i know myself best but like lmao

[Datisi]

fan he x where i kept shitpushing

a game where i kept shitpushing*

i just woke up and i'm blindly trusting my autofill, oops

[Datisi]

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-09-19 21:31:01).

also - gamma, we need a non-ambiguous jk choice

i am okay with alisae > iv, (or the other way around ig idk) it's still not an f3 i would look forward to but i am hoping it doesn't come to it

[Datisi]

the fact that dwlee seems to be fine with alisae getting jailed after iv's death (and knowing alisae's stances on me/dwlee) is giving me a tiny glimmer of hope the game just ends here and i am afraid of having hope

[Datisi]

i would never roll scum

pedit: strong disagree but ok (like legit, that was a towngame of mine that most strongly looked like my scumgame in the last like, a year and a half, idk how i didn't get yoted there)

[Datisi]

oh my god

[Datisi]

VOTE: alisae
I'll be blocking dwlee if this flips town.

i hope there is not a tomorrow

because my god i am not looking forward to it if there is

is it bad that i suddenly have this sinking feeling that it's iv? that's bad, right?

holy shit this random gut panic saved the game

like i saw a flash forward of dwlee voting me in lylo tomorrow and i was not having it

[Datisi]

should've gone with the worst associates with george

tbf iv you did make me sweat a few times, especially during d2/early d3

[Datisi]

i don't bus my strongman!! from page 10!! especially not when that strongman is george fucking bailey who is one of my best friends on site!!

[Datisi]

I don't think scum!faker would try so hard at the beginning
I don't think scum!marci pussyfoots around voting me
I don't think scum!M&Ms responds in the way they do
I don't think scum!unwnd based on gut
I don't think scum!norwee based on gut
I don't think scum!datisi based on trying to solve IV

that kinda leaves two people

i've already solved the game

why are you voting for me

damn

so did std get shot or what happened?