Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: House
Bring back the old signature!

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Scum would probably be more likely to sabotage something if they lose more than they gain by letting it go through
I feel like trying to scumhunt by just assuming scum are gonna be in raids is kinda bad

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I get that it’s comparable to Resistance but why is that a bad thing that Cheeky didn’t get it?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

given my experiences with games advancing the first step “too early” I agree that mirio’s approach feels a bit scum-motivated. I’ve been on both ends of a town win where a very early D1 scum elim put scum on the back foot for the rest of the game.
VOTE: Mirio

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I mean Mirio is right but am I that different from Nancy?
There’s also the fact that I am male and Qrow is male

-Qrow (aka Gamma)

[Qrow and Raven]

I don't like that wisdom VOTE: elsa

-Qrow
(I don’t actually agree with Elsa FYI but that seems a little bit braver than I’d expect from scum)

[Qrow and Raven]

Something that stuck out to me is how many people glazed over my request altogether. I don't think it was an incorrect thought, and I also realized I misunderstood how it worked once it was clarified in thread. I think it's going to be good information to dig into more at a later time.

I am unimpressed by the votes on me over the request, but understand them. Of the two I think Gamma's was weaker, as it seems fairly surface level.

It might be surface level but why is that bad? I can link the games I’m referring to if need be.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Something that stuck out to me is how many people glazed over my request altogether. I don't think it was an incorrect thought, and I also realized I misunderstood how it worked once it was clarified in thread. I think it's going to be good information to dig into more at a later time.

I am unimpressed by the votes on me over the request, but understand them. Of the two I think Gamma's was weaker, as it seems fairly surface level.

What would an impressive vote even look like on you in rvs?

My Mirio vote was serious :/
Not speaking for Cakez.

Also, my other head told me not to claim in full, but I feel you deserve to know that one of our abilities could be seen as kinda scummy.

This kind of post almost always comes from town but also I could see scum House doing this.

Pretty sure that’s Yume speaking

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I feel like my Mirio vote was pretty valid so to see it treated this way out of the gate is concerning.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

My Mirio vote was serious :/
Not speaking for Cakez.

I never said it wasn't.

I'm just waiting for you to dig deeper.

I’m guessing you want me to address some deeper reason to your rationale, I’ll try but I don’t see how it’s going to change what I said.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm just completely ignoring Sakura lol

what for

OHHH
lol alisae is in the game

Is it Mirio?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm kind of just waiting for someone to town slip hard or scum slip hard.
I don't really see anything yet. I have pings of town, but then I just go: Nono, what if that's what they want me to think?

There are certain posts that are being uploaded to my brain that I'm trying to make a decision on, such as Qrow's use of past experience to justify that the pace is fine. When, like, okay? Sure? Alright.

You were the backup mod to the scumgame of mine within the two that I referred to. Am I wrong in my belief? By allowing everyone a chance to participate before sending off the raid it mitigates the chance that scum get screwed over by bad game start time.

With regards to mastina- I don't think it makes sense for mastina to come out of the gate and say her role empowers a raid if she was just scum looking to empower her role with extra shots. She could do the same thing without drawing extra attention to herself.

I was on the fence about mastina but this logic makes sense because she could just silently participate and let it pass without using the ability

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

If I tell you the sky is blue in the afternoon and two plus two is four, am I wrong? Quoting my title at me that Mastina approved of (thx again for that) isn't a reason.

Edit: good to see ya Enigma. Been awhile.

Tried to post this 4 separate times too.

Myeah I don’t think immediately trying to discredit EJ using his title is exactly a good look

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

HAVENT READ BUT

join raid join raid join raid

(SirCakez is another 1-2% scum name here.)

I mean Mirio is right but am I that different from Nancy?
There’s also the fact that I am male and Qrow is male
-Qrow (aka Gamma)

However I think I have a much better vote now.

VOTE: Qrow and Raven.
Pretty sure they're scum. Like, compared to the 1-2% of SirCakez and RealCheeks, this is a solid 50-75%. Not 100% for sure but pretty damn high.
(To be clear, these percentages are on a scale of 0 to 100, where 0 is neutral, dead-null, and 100 is guaranteed scum.)

This is further indication that mastina is town but I don’t believe her SR on us is real

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Was hoping to confer with Raven before going to bed tonight but she’s gone radio silent. I’ve loosely followed events on my main, I have some stuff I want to comment on but it’ll have to wait for later.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm extremely worried about Nancy's condition rn
Normally I feel like she's actually been pretty upfront about when she's going to be less active, but this time there's nothing to go on. She also just posted something trying to reconcile a troubling event for her as the last post she's had on site so I'm deeply concerned someone said something that deeply wounded her

-Qrow, who cares a whole awful lot

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm waiting on Nancy to post before I make any judgment on Qrow+Raven.

I want to say thank you but I think I know what you're on about and I just wish that whole thing would stop, it's not constructive imo

My Mirio vote was serious :/
Not speaking for Cakez.

I never said it wasn't.

I'm just waiting for you to dig deeper.

I’m guessing you want me to address some deeper reason to your rationale, I’ll try but I don’t see how it’s going to change what I said.

-Qrow

Don't bother.

???

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm just completely ignoring Sakura lol

what for

OHHH
lol alisae is in the game

Is it Mirio?

-Qrow

spammy playstyle
Won't say.

I have a spammy playstyle, I don't see you ignoring me

I'm not thinking about whether what you're saying is right or wrong. Of all the posts in the universe why that one?

I seriously don't get this but I guess what I can say is I thought Cakez was potentially onto something because of my own past experience, and I wanted to ensure what felt like a probable scum-motivated post got properly pursued.
Atp though I'm kinda feeling Mirio town though so UNVOTE:

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

...?

I just find Nancy a lot more readable when she starts posting.

well yes a lot of people do, but actively pressuring her to generate content I think just makes it harder to actually engage regardless of alignment, and I say this based on a mountain of experience with that sort of treatment

-Qorw

[Qrow and Raven]

Then Mandebrot is hard town.

yeah I'm thinking this myself

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Cheeks is probably a better vote.

One head using weird rhetorical/loaded questions and snark as deflection and the other saying she's going to sit back but is still popping in for non-content.

Feels obvious.

I have seen play like this from a scum hydra fairly recently but cheeks head at least feels rather genuine and I know that she's kinda miselim bait

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

It’s not really pressure as in she has to post, for me. Just that when she does I’ll give a better opinion.

If she isn’t around though I’ll suck it up and try to read you.

fair enough ig, tho this is interesting at least because it tells me your confidence in ability to read each of us

-Qrow, who almost tagged this "romance" for no sane reason

[Qrow and Raven]

my thoughts mirror my other heads at the moment!

presuming this is manatee head?

T3 you're a meta guy, I've not played with house. What's his scumgame like?

I'm a meta guy too

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

kinda just q+ed everything I saw on one page without breaking stuff up because there was nothing that felt like something I immediately wanted to voice an opinion on

Spoiler:

Snark is fun and brings life to the party. Cheeky is a nice girl who makes me laugh sometimes. So yeah, going for personality so early ain't smart. They read genuine to me so far Romance.

And since the entire town so far thinks Mastina is town I'll let that go for now. But if she's alive for too long I request a reopening of that case.

This feels kinda good on some level but I also get how it could be problematic
Maybe my way of reading emotional output leaves me open to getting pocketed by a player like Elsa, I recall not really townreading her but wanting to give her pretty much every chance to redeem herself in large normal 234

Snark is fun and brings life to the party. Cheeky is a nice girl who makes me laugh sometimes. So yeah, going for personality so early ain't smart. They read genuine to me so far Romance.

And since the entire town so far thinks Mastina is town I'll let that go for now. But if she's alive for too long I request a reopening of that case.

Cheeky scum agenda:

Step 1: soft pocket Elsa
Step 2: ???
Step 3: profit
Step 4: lose to Mastina



Lose to Mastina?

I prefer to win with mastina. :p

I know

i understand mirios process 2 an extent but i think dwlees "do you not want town to find each other" was pretty towny

~manatee

pedit jesus christ i was ninjaed like 4 times

I feel a subconscious kinship with this

Mirio gets a townread for stealing my thoughts.

VOTE: Romance
I refuse to elaborate

I think I might see why but I definitely disagree. It's too early and too upfront for me-too tell

If Mastina is scum, by virtue of her roleclaim she has to be on every single raid;

Why?

...so I was thinking that this 1 recharge thing would go on for every raid and was like 'duh she has to be on to recharge' but I am a fool so nevermind!

I mean there's kinda an implicit expectation for mastina to maybe be on certain raids so claiming that ability does kinda limit her mobility as scum

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Kinda townreading dwlee for 246.

Not a particular fan of the vote, per se (no opinion on that slot), but the tone reads as genuine. I don't think scum!dwlee would have voted there because doing so invites confrontation & spotlight.

- House

- House

probably on this wavelength myself, I don't think what romance did was scummy but if I'm right about dwlee's logic (which I'm going to assume I am until told otherwise) I get why it would seem that way

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

to clarify, why do u think Mirio doesnt want you to townread her?

He is so aggressive at me for saying I townread her

oooh I kinda missed this (I knew there was something like it somewhere but I didn't remember who said it)
really don't think this is as good an indicator of scum as you seem to

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm out.

But before I go, you have no comment on me literally explaining the strategy to you. Ok.

I don't even get what the strategy accomplishes aside from the mindset of "I don't want to be a scapegoat so I'm going to tap out rather than let that happen", which I think makes little sense with mastina's claim
so you're just being flat-out confusing rn
also re: mastina claim meta the only lies I can remember have either been half-truths or lies as town, so I think Sakura's meta still holds

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

(I don’t actually agree with Elsa FYI but that seems a little bit braver than I’d expect from scum)

i was misreading this as u saying u tr elsa for bravery, whinch would have been backwards.

Um. I'm pretty sure your "misread" was actually what I meant. Why did it feel backwards to you?

Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Elsa/Titus scum imo.

Interesting.

Elsa, I can speculate on a reason for (but would appreciate clarity), but more relevant to my interests is, why Titus?

- House

was already townreading this slot off of yume's posting but house also looks good for this

Elsa/Titus scum imo.
- C

Elsa is ok today. I agree on Titus though

-R

This is why I'm bad with Hydras. I always set one of them off. Bleh.

Forgive my insolence Cheeky.

feels like you maybe misread, the heads seem to be of mixed opinions on you rn
also can you go into why you mention setting people off here?

To be fair.
I have a feeling that a scum dwlee would have BS'd a reason to townread mastina by now just to get off the spotlight.

P-Edit: Ok thanks.
Although that wasnt what i was doing?

I think a better reason to TR dwlee might be the fact he put the cart before the horse a bit and used mirio's push as evidence that mastina is town
to me it suggests he's got a little bit of natural confbias which I believe is towny
dont't quote me on this in endgame though

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

(I don’t actually agree with Elsa FYI but that seems a little bit braver than I’d expect from scum)

i was misreading this as u saying u tr elsa for bravery, whinch would have been backwards.

Um. I'm pretty sure your "misread" was actually what I meant. Why did it feel backwards to you?

Qrow

scum elsa is very much not timid at all.
if anything i'd expect a lot more of the razzle-dazzle from scum-him
is that not ur exp with him then?

I think elsa is sorta a people pleaser as scum while he does his own thing a bit more as town
though I will say the posting has kinda slid into less towny territory as time has gone on

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Does anyone other than dwlee find my line of questioning aggressive?

not exactly but I do get why he thinks it was

dwlee uses they/them pronouns

Thank

I am a 400 foot tall purple platypus-bear with pink horns and silver wings.

igeddit

I'm being clammy because if I show my hand too much scum will realize I actually have a day cop ability

Gross, dude. Get a towel.~

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

We are all suffering alts.

this post triggered a not-so-good memory and idk if romance was even in the game that makes this hit like that

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Spoiler:

Go back to your old account and say that to my face. >:(

I thought Bell was like, a Ranmaru alt initially

I mean, i'm bad at alt hunting so i wont bother anyway.

I feel like I've gotten better at alt-hunting by a slight margin but I don't do it unless intrigued by the player/bored, or I feel incensed to do it

So I call out your god and you label me a heretic. Rude.

At least I'm not just letting one player slide through the day.

Also everyone also ignored me earlier but I did also see in the mod post he mentioned hostile Faction(S).

at least one member of the hostile factions are in the raid group, the said member will decide whether the raid succeeds or fail

Did you wanna talk about that or do you wanna tell me Mastina is town?

I kinda took note of this convo as I was skimming on main, I didn't really process the original post tho, this seems pretty benign

Is Sakura Hana fire bringer?

KEKW
I have played with both players in at least one game I can definitely certify their distinctness as human beings

Is Sakura Hana fire bringer?

No, this is my main account.
Fire bringer is a friend of mine tho

I think Firebringer said the exact same thing to me as scum the last game I played with them. Something about protecting other player’s self-esteem.

lol where
and like Sakura has issues with her own self-esteem so I dunno if she'd really have the fortitude to protect others but not herself (though I myself am kinda like that, I may feel like shit sometimes but that doesn't stop me from being the hero when I feel like I need to be, but that's probably because that is handled by a different part of me than the part that processes my own self-esteem)

The Bell Tell.

why'd you bring this up??

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

... Does Ydrasse have any alts that aren't outed? xD

I'm pretty sure ydrasse either wears her identity on her sleeve even when she's on an alt or just reveals it in her sig

-Qrow, who on a tangential note literally dissociated as he was writing this post

[Qrow and Raven]

I think Mirio had just voted or talked about Bell and the rhyme made me giggle so I posted it.

Also I do think it could still be valid if he fails to keep up with decent content as the game progresses.

hm, perhaps fair
while I've done well to curb my lurkish scum meta I still tend to regress into it as games go on, it's exceedingly hard to feel the urge to post when it feels like you're in a solid spot and then whenever things get sour I panick and either completely lock up or start frantically going after what I perceive as my route to victory

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m not allowed to type properly on Ydrasse for fear of ruining my brand so I have to play on alts and that allows me to unlock more of my brainpower to solve.

ah cool
I feel like in my case alts allow me to let my alters take more of an individual approach to a game rather than all of them just sorta chiming in whenever

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

For me it’s just Me, when I alt. Except for a few cases.

It’s also soothing to identity issues to be someone else, even for a little bit.

Exactly

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

That Big sister pattern some scum do. You know, when like they’re being friendly and giving advice and don’t seem very self-serving. But it just causes them to kind of blend while posting a bunch. That plus their joke to serious post ratio tickles my scumdar.

I kinda see this from how I've perceived Elsa myself, but I also don't think it's quite accurate and you might be pigeonholing a little

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

but like, points for the effort

-also Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Their jokes seem to say “let me fit in, I’m one of you”

I get this and I kinda agree but I haven't played with EJ enough to tell whether that's just personality for him

That Big sister pattern some scum do. You know, when like they’re being friendly and giving advice and don’t seem very self-serving. But it just causes them to kind of blend while posting a bunch. That plus their joke to serious post ratio tickles my scumdar.

I can dig that, plus she downright admits to a different attitude/style of interaction from her other account, which makes it more difficult to tell when her tone is genuine.

- House

I feel a fundamental issue with this and idk what
but I will note EJ uses male pronouns

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Sakura Hana: guardian of self-esteems everywhere.

Kind of funny that you call me that when i probably have the lowest self-esteem in the universe.

As I said, in certain cases one can have low self-esteem and still fight to protect the self-esteem of others

Just seemed like it when I was reading and nobody opposed it. That's how conf town starts ya know. But Bell is assigning me an archetype I'm very much not. I state what I need to in some posts while I chat in others. The ratio isn't a thing I care about cuz if I wanna talk to people I just do.

eh I do and don't agree with this. I tend to be erratic in how fluffy I am as either alignment but there is an underlying trend people have caught me on before

VOTE: romance

Heres a great place to start a scum read.

Mirio is also a fantastic choixe5

not enthused by either of these scumreads

Now onto actual mafia related talk.
Do you really think Elsa Jay's master plan is to scumread mastina on the basis of paranoia of multiball because the mod isnt a native english speaker?.
Instead of just...town thinking that the mod is hinting to a potential multiball?

I think you're conflating what EJ was saying, the multiball point was an attempt to move on from the subject of mastina

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Spoiler: Alt Hideout (No Main Accounts Allowed)

I'm *technically* on an alt. All hydras are alts ..... you didn't think this through

-bearbeario

I pretty much always open those things regardless of whether I'm invited to, I just typically don't say anything

Ah the cat pic IS the RCE cheeky hydra ok. Yeah yeah ok I think I get why I have an issue with them now. I await a reply, RCE.

-Tsutsu

I feel like these interactions with the realcheeks hydra (by more people than just mystics tbc) are gonna be very interesting later on

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

meant to put this as a footnote in that last post, I kinda wanna hydra with Noraa at some point with a hydra name like Sharkron Balloon (it's an accessory in Terraria made from combining two other accessories, those being the Tsunami in a Bottle and Balloon Pufferfish)

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Now onto actual mafia related talk.
Do you really think Elsa Jay's master plan is to scumread mastina on the basis of paranoia of multiball because the mod isnt a native english speaker?.
Instead of just...town thinking that the mod is hinting to a potential multiball?

As far as I'm concerned, hunting out* whether a game is multiball is a scum concern.

As far as town is concerned, if it's red it's dead.

Multiball just makes it easier for scum to blend in with town by hunting otherscum.

There's no pro-town reason to be speculating about multiball before there is an unexplained nk.

(Also, I can't tell time. It's after 8pm, not 10pm)

- House

Fix't

I feel like you're missing the point of Sakura's post

Wow this game blew up
I'll try to make time here tomorrow but like woof man

minor dislike of this post

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

...
wat

True story. I was cursed to be evil on my first game on site here and all my bad habits are because I developed my town game way after my scum game.

yeah rolling scum a bunch kinda hurts both on a motivation and meta level
on my homesite someone rolled scum so much that iirc when he rolled amnesiac (role that can take the role and alignment of a dead player but has no wincon until they do so) he didn't feel like he could play as town because he had no experience with it so he picked scum instead

But yeah I think I remember something about scum slipping about multiball easily in some way.

I've seen it myself once or twice but I think the following post is a solid counterpoint

But yeah I think I remember something about scum slipping about multiball easily in some way.

My last game I played on site was a confirmed multiball. I know how to act in multiball. If I knew the mods first language wasn't English I wouldn't have stuck on it so much. Maybe he just forgot the S or something.

But I'm just playing Devil's advocate here to get us to think about the game. I just want to actually play and simultaneously relearn my town game. It's hard.

unless the scumteam(s) were of a weird middleground size like 4-per, it should be immediately evident whether a game is multiball or not based on the number of scumbuddies you have when you're scum. I think Elsa was genuinely wondering if the game is multiball so if Elsa is scum her team likely has to have 4 people on it total

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Clearly, you know nothing about Dr. House.

I'm a distinguished gentleman in comparison.

- House

ngl, I feel like these days you're comparable to Doctor Steven Strange
Which is why if we hydra I'd like to make the name something like Parker and Strange

I hate alts who play around with information that obviously isn't avaliable to true newbs

I'm kinda neutral to it tho I myself try to curb my tendency to utilize meta when I'm on an alt that hasn't been disclosed

I agree with Gamma/Nancy scum. I don't agree with bell town.
~ C

why ;-;

-Qrow,

[Qrow and Raven]

House also town. Sorry for spam, that's all that's impressed me so far.
~C

Before my "hiatus", I would get super paranoid of people I didn't know well and trust to be able to read me fairly accurately call me town on d1.

That's because I was an emotionally driven, confrontational prick as town and logical/slightly less confrontational (but still aggressive, if that makes sense?) scum.

Since my return, however, I've been striving to make myself easier to find as town and approach others in good faith until/unless they give me grounds to suspect them.

So, even though I have no clue as to your alignment, I'm going to hope that this post is coming from a place of sincerity and thank you for reinforcing the habits I'm beginning to build.

That's commendable, it takes a lot of self-awareness and courage to be honest with yourself and even more to change. I can't help but think of Britney Spears "Stronger" to take this full circle with the cheese lol.
~C

I'd post a video in response to this but it's in mp4 format vs. a YouTube video and idk if I can embed that the same way

Punished for alt crimes.

remind me to revisit this later. Probably in a week.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I feel like these interactions with the realcheeks hydra (by more people than just mystics tbc) are gonna be very interesting later on

Reason being?

This reads like...I'm not exactly sure. Foreshadowing to deciding we are a miselim slot?

I feel like people have been taking very weird stances on you so it's probably going to be a big thing to digest if and when the time comes

If ydrasse is Romance ???? We played scum together in TM2021?? I think that was you anyway. The difference is night and day.

-R

yeah I see this
ydrasse has said her scum meta has shifted but I don't think that makes her harder to read per se

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Gamma !! Town!!

VOTE: SirCakez

I really hope you didn't roll scum again cakez cause I want to actually play a game with you

by "with you" do you mean as comrades or smth? I use that phrase in that way a lot myself, though if not this post seems a bit odd because you can still play together even when opposite alignments
I feel like some people I maybe have more fun playing with when we're opposite alignments because of the thrill of the chase (MariaR might fit into this group, been a while since we've

really

played together tho)

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

ftr multiple sum factions being in a raid and disagreeing on success/fail would lead to undefined behaviour.
so glaring design flaw in the ruleset or this is in fact single ball.

As I see it the logic is (If scum decide to fail, then fail, else succeed)
multiple teams would just have it be so one or both teams failing it would cause it to fail and both teams letting it succeed would be a success
there's also no guarantee either team will be in a raid
but iirc someone else fully de-confirmed multiball

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: Momrangal
i guess

But if she's scum she's actually the role she's claiming.

i mean shes basically claiming the powerset that scum are mod confirmed to have

kinda wish flea would engage with more slots

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I forgot I had those queue'd
first quote: curious vote
second quote: how so???

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Gamma !! Town!!

VOTE: SirCakez

I really hope you didn't roll scum again cakez cause I want to actually play a game with you

by "with you" do you mean as comrades or smth? I use that phrase in that way a lot myself, though if not this post seems a bit odd because you can still play together even when opposite alignments
I feel like some people I maybe have more fun playing with when we're opposite alignments because of the thrill of the chase (MariaR might fit into this group, been a while since we've

really

played together tho)

-Qrow

Him being scum has led to him just dying so I didn't really get to play with him much

he's probably gotten better about that in the past year or so
3d20 was an anomaly imo

meant to put this as a footnote in that last post, I kinda wanna hydra with Noraa at some point with a hydra name like Sharkron Balloon (it's an accessory in Terraria made from combining two other accessories, those being the Tsunami in a Bottle and Balloon Pufferfish)

-Qrow

Who is this?

-nornornor

Qrow = Gamma

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

vote is cuz disagreed w pretty much entire short iso, and 419 struck me as scummy-complaint to have.

second:

If at least one member of the hostile factions are in the raid group, the said member will decide whether the raid succeeds or fail.

pedit @qrow

how was 419 a scummy complaint, it does get pretty obnoxious when someone is lording information over you that you can't counter them on effectively because you don't know who they are
I had someone fake a meta SR on me a few times, in more recent games I've taken it alright but the first time it happened I viewed it as tantamount to a fake guilty claim

he's probably gotten better about that in the past year or so
3d20 was an anomaly imo

I've been with him in dogs v cats (he was town and I was scum), C9++ (he got caught early and was eliminated day 2), and then 3d20 which yea

I've seen him go rather far in Among Us and Booneytoonz XIV
He actually won the latter, and was the last scum standing in the former

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

he's probably gotten better about that in the past year or so
3d20 was an anomaly imo

I've been with him in dogs v cats (he was town and I was scum), C9++ (he got caught early and was eliminated day 2), and then 3d20 which yea

idk about DvC but those other two he kinda had people in the playerlist who were able to catch him pretty well (lilith in C9++, me in 3d20)

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I've only really seen people fake meta SRs on me when I'm town
I get it's not the same as what you're saying but I feel like there's plenty of reason for town to be annoyed
I can get why it might be an issue to scum if someone correctly meta SRs them and they can't effectively defend themselves but I feel like from personal experience scum worth their salt would be able to bait out enough extraneous details to get a good idea of who is behind the alt, like when I figured out Asuka in the Rei and Asuka hydra was Krazy, I kinda did something not-okay in messaging krazy directly with my guess while the game was going which led to me getting a confirmation I probably shouldn't have, but the way in which he pushed me was pretty darn similar to times where'd he'd pushed me on his main before

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I think I messed up
I was trying to help Nancy Drew with her concerns about interactions with other users, and I think I accidentally compelled her to make a post that might have led to her vanishing and not coming back depending on the response it got. I feel horrible

-Qrow, who feels very much like the actual character rn

[Qrow and Raven]

I think I messed up
I was trying to help Nancy Drew with her concerns about interactions with other users, and I think I accidentally compelled her to make a post that might have led to her vanishing and not coming back depending on the response it got. I feel horrible

-Qrow, who feels very much like the actual character rn

I haven’t read anything yet but and I really don’t want to bring anything OoG into this but it’s other people who negatively affected me that way not you but I haven’t been onsite and didn’t know the game has started, so it’s all good. I just haven’t been as active onsite since I’ve had those unfortunate experiences.

[Qrow and Raven]

Last post was from Raven obviously.

[Qrow and Raven]

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

Why? What’s wrong with it?

~Raven

[Qrow and Raven]

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

given my experiences with games advancing the first step “too early” I agree that mirio’s approach feels a bit scum-motivated. I’ve been on both ends of a town win where a very early D1 scum elim put scum on the back foot for the rest of the game.
VOTE: Mirio

-Qrow

???

[Qrow and Raven]

Which head is Nancy and which head is Gamma?

I’m Raven.

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: Real cheeks
I'm OMGUS here

VOTE: dwlee
-T3

Meta is the best scumhunting tool
-T3

Bad

Bad as in you disagree or scummy because I obviously disagree with you on that.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

HAVENT READ BUT

join raid join raid join raid

(SirCakez is another 1-2% scum name here.)

I mean Mirio is right but am I that different from Nancy?
There’s also the fact that I am male and Qrow is male
-Qrow (aka Gamma)

However I think I have a much better vote now.

VOTE: Qrow and Raven.
Pretty sure they're scum. Like, compared to the 1-2% of SirCakez and RealCheeks, this is a solid 50-75%. Not 100% for sure but pretty damn high.
(To be clear, these percentages are on a scale of 0 to 100, where 0 is neutral, dead-null, and 100 is guaranteed scum.)

I hadn’t even posted!

[Qrow and Raven]

Was hoping to confer with Raven before going to bed tonight but she’s gone radio silent. I’ve loosely followed events on my main, I have some stuff I want to comment on but it’ll have to wait for later.

-Qrow

I found mastina

Boring. Everyone found mastina.

I mean I

said

I didn't need to fullclaim in order to spew myself town.

She is popping off, townreads me, and I feel like I you don't want me to townread her

I wouldn't call 1 scumread + 4 townreads + 2 scumleans + 1 townlean +a few null-positives to be 'popping off' in a game with this many players, honestly.

Also I'm getting nothing to refine my reads from these last few pages...

Mirio
Bell
dwlee99
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal)

Mandelbrot (House + Yume)
Mystic Bears (Noraa + Flea the Magician)

ArcAngel9
Save The Dragons
Titus
Toogeloo

tictac
Tomorrow Corporation
Whemestar
Sakura Hana
Momrangal
Romance

Elsa Jay

RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
SirCakez

Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39)

I GUESS this is a little change but it's not much.

I found mastina

Boring. Everyone found mastina.

I mean I

said

I didn't need to fullclaim in order to spew myself town.

She is popping off, townreads me, and I feel like I you don't want me to townread her

I wouldn't call 1 scumread + 4 townreads + 2 scumleans + 1 townlean +a few null-positives to be 'popping off' in a game with this many players, honestly.

Also I'm getting nothing to refine my reads from these last few pages...

Mirio
Bell
dwlee99
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal)

Mandelbrot (House + Yume)
Mystic Bears (Noraa + Flea the Magician)

ArcAngel9
Save The Dragons
Titus
Toogeloo

tictac
Tomorrow Corporation
Whemestar
Sakura Hana
Momrangal
Romance

Elsa Jay

RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
SirCakez

Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39)

I GUESS this is a little change but it's not much.

(Also pagetop.)

Explain Dwelee and Elsa.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I agree with Gamma/Nancy scum. I don't agree with bell town.
~ C

Why are we scum and Bell is like the easiest read ever. He’s the new Creature. No offence, Bell. <3

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm extremely worried about Nancy's condition rn
Normally I feel like she's actually been pretty upfront about when she's going to be less active, but this time there's nothing to go on. She also just posted something trying to reconcile a troubling event for her as the last post she's had on site so I'm deeply concerned someone said something that deeply wounded her

-Qrow, who cares a whole awful lot

Can we like not do this please. I promise you I’m fine. <3

I really don’t want to spend the entire game thinking about upsetting things, so let’s just drop it - at least within the context of this game, it’s irrelevant. Thanks.

~Raven obviously

[Qrow and Raven]

...?

I just find Nancy a lot more readable when she starts posting.

well yes a lot of people do, but actively pressuring her to generate content I think just makes it harder to actually engage regardless of alignment, and I say this based on a mountain of experience with that sort of treatment

-Qorw

No one is pressuring me. What happened in Overkill 2 - that was actually pressure. I think can take it from here and answer for myself. Thanks very much for all of the kind comments but I was only offsite for > 48 hrs and I didn’t even know that the game had begun. Oh in case this ever becomes relevant, my favourite flowers are llilacs.

~Raven (Helicoptered hydra partner)

[Qrow and Raven]

Spoiler:

(I don’t actuallyh agree with Elsa FYI but that seems a little bit braver than I’d expect from scum)

i was misreading this as u saying u tr elsa for bravery, whinch would have been backwards.

Um. I'm pretty sure your "misread" was actually what I meant. Why did it feel backwards to you?

Qrow

scum elsa is very much not timid at all.
if anything i'd expect a lot more of the razzle-dazzle from scum-him
is that not ur exp with him then?

I think elsa is sorta a people pleaser as scum while he does his own thing a bit more as town
though I will say the posting has kinda slid into less towny territory as time has gone on

-Qrow

TELL THEM TO TURN OFF CAPS IT'S CASE SENSITIVE.
~C

ROFL!

Something that stuck out to me is how many people glazed over my request altogether. I don't think it was an incorrect thought, and I also realized I misunderstood how it worked once it was clarified in thread. I think it's going to be good information to dig into more at a later time.

I am unimpressed by the votes on me over the request, but understand them. Of the two I think Gamma's was weaker, as it seems fairly surface level.

So what DO you make of the votes on you?

Mastina's town.

why ydrasse alt

... Does Ydrasse have any alts that aren't outed? xD

I did check with the mod, and as a matter of fact: yes. That's in fact how it works! The mod confirmed that me using my 1x guaranteed raid success...will give me another shot at a guaranteed raid success.

The downside to me claiming/confirming this is that now all scum with X-shots know they can get another X-shot but hopefully the town can get more mileage out of the raid. (I claimed without knowing what the raid bonus was, I saw my role earlier, formed a plan for what I'd do on daystart, I was phoneposting when the game started, so didn't know the ramifications until now.)

A townie mindset would save this to stop 3 failed raids in a row or something instead of wasting it early on. But you claimed it when the mod alluded to that type of role day 1 and plan to use it immediately?

I read the raid thing at the beginning and it said only hostile factions can choose to pass or fail the raid if they're in it. So your ability seems more suited to town at first glance. But it said faction(s). So I dunno.

I just don't wanna trust you to claim this role so early. Does the town know when you succeed? Because if we don't know when you use it, then you can just let this raid pass through by just accepting this raid as scum instead. You'd know if your buddies are in the raid anyway.

I like you. The raids are a potential POE tool later on.

Meta is the best scumhunting tool
-T3

Metabad. :3

I'm kind of just waiting for someone to town slip hard or scum slip hard.
I don't really see anything yet. I have pings of town, but then I just go: Nono, what if that's what they want me to think?

There are certain posts that are being uploaded to my brain that I'm trying to make a decision on, such as Qrow's use of past experience to justify that the pace is fine. When, like, okay? Sure? Alright.

This is a town post

Bell posting at all is town bell

If Mastina is scum, by virtue of her roleclaim she has to be on every single raid; and, then, as scum neither she nor any of her scumteam would be allowed to fail a raid without revealing her as fake. I don't think that a scumteam does all of that to ingratiate her to town so she's probably just town. /shrug

Not quite, shes set up to allow any failed raids after this one without incrimination. We're too early for mech talk, the claim is NAI to me from mechanical perspective and mastina is not town by meta even remotely at the moment, as she can powerwolf. For now she's a solid null for me, time will tell.

Let's see if putting things in a readslist helps my thoughts here.

Mirio
Bell
dwlee99

ArcAngel9
Mystic Bears (Noraa + Flea the Magician)
Save The Dragons
Titus
Toogeloo

Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal)
tictac
Tomorrow Corporation
Whemestar
Mandelbrot (House + Yume)
Sakura Hana
Momrangal
Romance
Elsa Jay

SirCakez
RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)

Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39)

Approximately: townread null-positive null-null-to-null-negative scumlean scum.

This lacks something :/ I'm not sure what though

And this is what I was waiting for. Mastina is town until further notice

dafuq just happened?
Reverse OMGUS?
"Youre town!"
"GOOD! you're town too!!"
O.o like yeah I've seen this before but this seems well funny to me, not even AI just funny #fluff

Mirio gets a townread for stealing my thoughts.

Like please tell me this isn't just me? This is comical with how fast it's happening and there's still players who haven't even posted yet xD

#Page10

Bell isn’t town because he’s posting, it’s WHAT he’s posting. He was flaming obvscum in that game we hydra’d in. That’s why I say he’s the new Creature. Creature used to be transparent, that’s no longer the case but unless Bell has very recently drastically improved his scumgame, I think I’m good with my read.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Mastina town
Flea town
Elsa Jay town
Qrow town

I’m null on them. I’m not sure how to read Flea and I’m waiting for more from Noraa.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Yay Nancy! I just felt your lack of presence and thought Gamma was overcompensating. I doubt it would be hard to change my mind though.
~C

I’m really uncomfortable with anything OoG getting brought into this but we were discussing that a lot and he seriously thought I siteflaked and that he was somehow responsible. I reassured him that both no and no and I hope that will be the last thing I need to say about that in this game.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

My memory of STD is that he doesn't do much more than this as town tbh.

I honestly can't recall any StD scumgames but he does play pretty low effort as town

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'd appreciate it. They sort of always make that list and it's suspcious that I'm at the top and they're correct on it when as town their readslist should be upside down to common humor enthusiasts at Mastina's expense everywhere.

I'm having trouble grasping what this means

Shit posting, when you seemed pretty alright before.

why does it feel like mirio's posting has taken a turn for the worse? I don't feel like I'm perceiving a shift

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Also I have been having a few thoughts that have gone unvocalized due to my mind being pre-occupied
I feel like I wouldn't be opposed to seeing a wagon on realcheeks but I wouldn't want to go there myself because I know both heads tend to be scummy as town
cakez I feel like I've lowkey related to some of the suspicions on him but I'm not too sure about him myself

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Ok actually that's not true. Titus did not explicitly say she TRed me. I guess just the tone threw me off and then my two braincells couldn't put things together to realize that the tone and words were different. I still SL there but not as much.

Also this is the most towny Massy has ever been for me and I feel like its either a really good sign or the biggest red flag on the planet. Dunno honestly.

-bearberatsu

I'm getting similar noraa energy from in Fall of Yakra so that's probably a good sign

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

The Titus wagon's a little dumb while she's functionally AFK.

ehhhh
I literally just referenced fall of Yakra and I'm doing it again because iirc she was kinda out-of-sorts in that game when I pushed her a bit and my push on her helped me to sort her
so I kind wanna TR people who look like they're genuinely using their Titus votes to sort, whoever that is

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'd appreciate it. They sort of always make that list and it's suspcious that I'm at the top and they're correct on it when as town their readslist should be upside down to common humor enthusiasts at Mastina's expense everywhere.

I'm having trouble grasping what this means

Shit posting, when you seemed pretty alright before.

why does it feel like mirio's posting has taken a turn for the worse? I don't feel like I'm perceiving a shift

-Qrow

He admitted he was letting the thread breathe. He was more strict and on the straight and narrow initially. I guess you could say he was pretty serious face when the game started and then he started posting spoilers with jokes in them. I didn’t know what the shift was. If it was from partners telling them to chill a little for confrontation purposes, or just because they were trying to let the thread breathe a little.

It seems fairly clear cut?

I think in the mirio situation he kinda got a little more comfortable with the game, which seems NAI
whose reads are you saying to flip, and why?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I found an STD meta tell consistent over 2 scumgames and 6 towngames. I'll wait for him to post more.

which scumgames are you referring to? I'd like them for my own future reference

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

yeah, that game was fun, but I felt kind of like I just arm twisted people to victory in mind night. I didn't feel very bright.

I think I relate to this a bit
It feels like it's really hard to convince others to trust my reads in a natural way, I have to practically bully people into listening to me, and that's not fun for others and certainly not fun for me

-Qorw

[Qrow and Raven]

Could you clarify what you mean by which reads I’m trying to flip?

You mean which players I want to get flipped right now?

you said someone's reads list should be upside down, who did you mean?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm back.

VOTE: Titus cuz first wagon blues.

I also didn't think the minus 2 days on deadline thing for the raid would do much but I forgot how slow some games go so two days off would suck. Doesn't help with 5 V/LA people here either.

the timing of this feels way off
what makes you want to vote titus specifically, elsa?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Mirio is locktown. Sheep me on this after I'm dead.
-tehtehteh

You're quickly burning any towncred I graciously assigned to you O_o
~C

I'm back.

VOTE: Titus cuz first wagon blues.

I also didn't think the minus 2 days on deadline thing for the raid would do much but I forgot how slow some games go so two days off would suck. Doesn't help with 5 V/LA people here either.

This vote is so bad, that I'm actually not sure scum would make it after getting the spotlight on them.

How is it confusing? We need a wagon and my vote helps us get it. what more do we need?

so you only voted titus because you wanted to form a wagon? What do you think of the existing resistance to the wagon?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

oh yeah I had meant to say something to that realcheeks post
that looks worse than what t3 posted imo

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

Why? What’s wrong with it?

~Raven

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

given my experiences with games advancing the first step “too early” I agree that mirio’s approach feels a bit scum-motivated. I’ve been on both ends of a town win where a very early D1 scum elim put scum on the back foot for the rest of the game.
VOTE: Mirio

-Qrow

???

I guess my mirio push was a little too galaxy-brain

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

To put it into this game's context, you being gone? Not suspicious. The manifestation of that, however, feels like the Y (scum) rather than the X (town) to me.

this makes very little sense, nancy had done literally nothing, so unless you're talking about how I acted this doesn't track

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I was only offsite for > 48 hrs and I didn’t even know that the game had begun.

sorry to bring yer rl into things, but there's an implication here about u not having access to a maf pt 4 pre-game planning that should not be ignored. otherwise game having started probs not a surprise.

What are you trying to say with this?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Dwlee is tonally town
mastina is vaguely town
Sakura is definitely town from what I very vaguely remember from her meta

Head One and Head Two have been posting a lot but I feel nothing from their posts. Scum probably?

Still reading

these reads feel overly hedgy

I don’t agree with it but that doesn’t make it scum.

another bad post from Mirio again reads LAMISTy

I gave Cakez the opportunity to engage and he opted not to.

lol what?

HAVENT READ BUT

join raid join raid join raid

(SirCakez is another 1-2% scum name here.)

I mean Mirio is right but am I that different from Nancy?
There’s also the fact that I am male and Qrow is male
-Qrow (aka Gamma)

However I think I have a much better vote now.

VOTE: Qrow and Raven.
Pretty sure they're scum. Like, compared to the 1-2% of SirCakez and RealCheeks, this is a solid 50-75%. Not 100% for sure but pretty damn high.
(To be clear, these percentages are on a scale of 0 to 100, where 0 is neutral, dead-null, and 100 is guaranteed scum.)

This is further indication that mastina is town but I don’t believe her SR on us is real

-Qrow

I concur with this
Or mastina just RNGed it

this also doesn't vibe that well
VOTE: cakez

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Oh, this is in relation to Lady lambadelta who doesn’t like Mastina’s approach (I guess?) and made a running joke that town mastina’s reads should be flipped upside down and town would win if they eliminated from the bottom up of the flipped read’s list. I sort of think that Martina just has a weakness for biting on intentionally dropped town tells early so their initial reads list ends up with scum at the top since scum are usually trying harder to get town read than the actual town.

Unless you have my play style.

ah
there's probably more I could go into but I'll just acknowledge this for now

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Knowing what I know, Mirio is town.

okay this is town!T3

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm guessing house will be quoting his posts on hydra when he gets the chance

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

i am at page 15
where the fuck is Noraa?

hm
why're you asking this?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39) - Town
mastina - Lock town
RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal)
tictac - Locktown
Mandelbrot (House + Yume) - Hard town
Bell - Town
Mirio - Lock town
Tomorrow Corporation - Hard town

I am very comfortable with these reads.
-T3

Qrow and Raven
mastina
tictac
Mandelbrot
Bell
Mirio
Tomorrow Corporation

FTFM
I'm almost completely sure these are all town.

this is probably silly but I think this is town-indicative

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

No. I think the joke is mean spirited and I already regret bringing it up. Even if it is amusing, that doesn’t mean it can’t be hurtful.

eh sometimes a snide joke can have meaning
that's kinda what happened when cabd said people should treat my strong defense of a suspect slot like a cop guilty

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Town
Mandelbrot, mastina, Mirio, Head One and Head Two
Mystic Bears, Sakura Hana, Romance, dwlee99, Bell
Save The Dragons, Titus, tictac, Whemestar
Elsa Jay, ArcAngel9, Tomorrow Corporation, Momrangal, Toogeloo
RealCheeks
-
SirCakez
-
Scum

this is approximately where I'm at reads wise, EJ shares space with my nulls but is there for mix of towny and scummy vs. being true null

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

It's well known that Noraa spends the first 15 pages as scum lamenting rolling scum in the scum PT.

There are the stages of grief (which I'm not sure really work in practice). Denial, anger, bargaining, sad faces, and then acceptance gif.

I'm pretty sure there are more of those.

I don't feel like that's entirely accurate based on what I remember from the original Draft Mafia

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

myeah this straight up doesn't feel like cheeky!town at all
-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

myeah this straight up doesn't feel like cheeky!town at all
-Qrow

You should know that's blatantly false. If you think you can easily get me limmed today you got another thing coming buster.
~C

suuure
the fact I'm not coming after you harder should honestly let you know I'm town
I think your hydra's been kinda suspect, but it's my meta with you and RCE's self-meta that's been holding me back

oh yeah I had meant to say something to that realcheeks post
that looks worse than what t3 posted imo

-Qrow

Explain Gamma you scumbutt.
~C

Also answer this Gamma.
~C

the delayed TR on mirio was kinda bad timing-wise but I didn't like how you hopped on it
the way you lorded the diminished townread over T3 looked manipulative

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Parsing your tier list, it looks like everyone is town except Cakez.

My mind kinda petered out there, I think I added a tier in the scum area that wasn't needed
my suspects are realcheeks and cakez atm, mostly because everyone else has done good stuff without really doing bad stuff with the exception of elsa
there may have been slots I townread too fast but I feel like there's time to correct if needed

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I also recall someone saying they were a bit too consensus-y which makes me curious about what that person is looking for in general from people depending on certain other reads

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

noraa is v prob town but there's things recently which feel worth prodding

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'd also like tictac to explain 719

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

myeah this straight up doesn't feel like cheeky!town at all
-Qrow

I agree, but this is also not RCE's scumgame :/

What do you know about either of us? At least Gamna should know better than to expect me to be the same in every game, and should be more hesitant to be confident on a scumread on me this early. He's spent more time shading (not just me) than a parasol in summer this game and with little follow through.

see this is just a misrep, I'm

not

confident that you're scum. At all. But you aren't vibing quite the same way you have in any of our recent towngames, meanwhile if I look really hard I can maybe see a similar vibe to what went down in large normal 231. So the meta data tells me a pretty solid story, I just don't feel like that's enough for me.
As for that post regarding noraa I was mostly just saying I wanted to ask her some questions but I TRed her for the most part

-Qrow

gah, I should have known I was on the wrong account from how the thread was organized but I'd moved my window I was hydra posting on to my other monitor and thus kinda forgot about it

[Qrow and Raven]

Has Toogaloo ever posted like this before?

You mean with lots of early reads, no claim out the gate, and trying to make intelligent decision on how to play the game?

Probably not.

Mostly thrown off by you not barrelling into fluff posters.

-R

Hey, I have a scum read on Romance.

mmmmm
I had a very subtle paranoia about romance and this interaction makes it a little more pronounced

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Knowing what I know, Mirio is town.

okay this is town!T3

-Qrow

?? im curious about this thought process

~manatee

there's a certain level of obsession with meta T3 has as town I think?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Nancy your going to have to change your signoff. People are going to think we're the same person o.o
-R

I don’t think so.

[Qrow and Raven]

Do I even have to say how obvtown mastina is?

Can I just say that while me showing townness is something I get because I am town and genuinely feel like I've shown some of what makes me town, I'm kinda baffled by how

strongly

the townreads are because while I've shown some of what makes me town, the strongest markers of what make me look town to others (namely, conviction) have been absent so I kinda don't get it? Like, if I were going full-conviction-mode here, I'd not bat an eye at the description of me being obvtown as I'd agree. But I don't feel like I've obvtowned yet--towned, yes, but OBVtowned, not

that

strongly town yet. I've full confidence that I WILL be that obvtown eventually...but I don't feel like me as I currently am warrant that description? Townreads I get (I've done enough to earn them), locktown townreads where I am obvtown beyond any shadow of a doubt, I don't (I've not done enough to earn

that

).

Why is a 4 vote wagon

"Opportunistic as fuck"

?

If you had a flash-wagon on you, and you were town, what would

your

thoughts on the wagon be?

I believe I get where Titus is coming from and I think I just talked myself into a Titus townread because I don't think she fakes that thought process here as scum. (I believe it's within her capacity to fake it as scum, I just don't think she

did

fake it, and think it was genuine.)

Bell
Mirio
dwlee99
Mystic Bears (Noraa + Flea the Magician)
Titus
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal)

Mandelbrot (House + Yume)

ArcAngel9
Toogeloo
tictac

Tomorrow Corporation
Whemestar
Sakura Hana
Momrangal
Romance

RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
Elsa Jay
Save The Dragons


SirCakez

Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39)

Hard to tell how town Titus is precisely but I'll take the risk and put her in my strongest town tier.

???

How are we still at the bottom of this list?

[Qrow and Raven]

Explain Dwelee and Elsa.

Well Dwlee's content looks town enough. I'm not sure but he's town enough for now.

Elsa's content looks incredibly lackluster. It overall looks closer to scum not having a good grasp on what to do instead of town, but is not strong because it could just be town not having a good grasp on what to do. So, slightly suspicious, but not extremely suspicious.

I hadn’t even posted!

That was a huge part of the problem.

I realize that you had very very very serious shit going on and that meant a new fresh game was absolutely not on your priority list. But while I realize there's not a great way to handle out-of-game circumstances influencing games, that it's tricky to deal with them, I genuinely feel the way it was handled is indicative of your slot having a higher-than-random chance of being scum.

That's a shitty explanation, lemme see if I can try to better describe it.

Say a scummer was, suddenly and inexplicably, badly V/LA due to a hurricane, as an example.
The absence of the scummer from a game would, explicitly, be expected and NAI due to the bad V/LA thanks to the hurricane.
However, the alignment of the scummer in a game can still differentiate the specifics and how things manifest.
So in spite of the situation being the same regardless of alignment, of the scummer being badly V/LA due to a hurricane in this example, there can still be alignment information to be gleaned in how that V/LA manifested.
It's hard to approach because you don't want to frame things as "the scummer is scum from overplaying their V/LA to gain an advantage and the hurricane was not that bad"--that's the sort of thing you absolutely don't want to say.
But if the scummer as town would do X when badly V/LA due to a hurricane, but as scum would instead do Y when badly V/LA due to a hurricane, you still have a need to point out the difference between X and Y (in spite of the scummer having been badly V/LA due to a hurricane regardless of their alignment and not lying about their circumstances regardless of their alignment).

Hope that makes sense for what I am getting at.

To put it into this game's context, you being gone? Not suspicious. The manifestation of that, however, feels like the Y (scum) rather than the X (town) to me.

Also Gamma kinda looks like scum on his own. You're the easier head to read but just because you're not around doesn't mean I won't try to read you off of your partner's posting.

God, I really thought I put this to rest. What Gamma was referencing is just straight up coincidence. I made a post about it and Gamma jumped to the wrong conclusion. That’s it. Activity is never a reliable basis for reading me and I would think you should know this by now. If I could screenshot our DMs without getting us modkilled I would but I really really don’t want to duscuss absolutely irrrelevant OoG stuff that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this game, so can we please not duscuss this topic anymore? I really wish Gamma had never brought it up because it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this game.

[Qrow and Raven]

tictac is mechanically town; just trust me on this one. I'll elaborate on day 4 so hold me to this.

Why day 4?

[Qrow and Raven]

I was only offsite for > 48 hrs and I didn’t even know that the game had begun.

sorry to bring yer rl into things, but there's an implication here about u not having access to a maf pt 4 pre-game planning that should not be ignored. otherwise game having started probs not a surprise.

Well I did get my role pm but it was still in pre-game, so no I didn’t know.

[Qrow and Raven]

[spoiiler=]

ftr multiple sum factions being in a raid and disagreeing on success/fail would lead to undefined behaviour.
so glaring design flaw in the ruleset or this is in fact single ball.

I would imagine fail overrides in that setup. Unwnd is a co-mod, this is going to mechanically sound and have failsafes.

VOTE: Momrangal
i guess

But if she's scum she's actually the role she's claiming.

i mean shes basically claiming the powerset that scum are mod confirmed to have

kinda wish flea would engage with more slots

-Qrow

Flea has gone back to faer reflexive meta because bad brain juju (see Neurodiversity threads and GTKAS), and in large games that actively sucks, admittedly. It's why I don't play many larges. Poking on what I see that I dislike though.

VOTE: Titus

I very strongly agree but Mirio why are you voting Titus? I don't think there's any reason to be voting Titus for that post for anyone that isn't me.

VOTE: Titus

-norbeario

This vote does not come from both of us, I would rather stay on Tictac for now.

I can tell you what it's missing!

It's lacking conviction!

You know how normally in games I get into the "tunnel" mode, where I exaggerate both town/scumreads to be stronger than they actually are? How I will make pushes with confidence and conviction?

I'm struggling to do that this game. Closest I've got is my Qrow/Raven scumread (which might be a bit of the tunnel mode read), and a few of my townreads (Mirio/Dwlee come to mind as exaggerated townreads tho Bell's town enough that the townread on him isn't exaggerated). But I'm struggling to lock people down, and struggling when locking things down to make them be strongly so. I've got basically no conviction here and it fucking sucks.

Give it a bit of time tho, I'm sure that'll change eventually and slowly.

That would do it, I was thinking that but reading over it and was like "yeah but this is mastina... that won't be it."

1. What is Mirio doing?

Fantastic question, because I have no freaking clue.

Ok Bell's town.

I'm pretty hyper aware of my own town tells and even I don't know what tripped the town bell tell in my last few posts.

You posted.

Shit posting, when you seemed pretty alright before.

Letting the game breathe and quiet voices come forward. Mostly just busy today.

Honestly I don't feel you're actually doing much except nullposting. Like you're not even fluff posting.

Mirio is locktown. Sheep me on this after I'm dead.
-tehtehteh

Talk me through it? I really don't like them currently.

Mastina town
Flea town
Elsa Jay town
Qrow town

I’m null on them. I’m not sure how to read Flea and I’m waiting for more from Noraa.

~R

In fairness I think this is our second actual game together?

tictac is mechanically town; just trust me on this one. I'll elaborate on day 4 so hold me to this.

Oh I will, for now I think I have outstanding that needs responding to.

See this is something i've noticed lately.. are people scared of me overreacting or something? :/ I post stuff, I get passed over and boom Flea's doin jack all.

[/spoiler]

Noraa, did you mix us up with RC? We’re both signing our posts with a “R”.

RCE signs with R in RealCheeks and I sign R for Raven.

[Qrow and Raven]

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

given my experiences with games advancing the first step “too early” I agree that mirio’s approach feels a bit scum-motivated. I’ve been on both ends of a town win where a very early D1 scum elim put scum on the back foot for the rest of the game.
VOTE: Mirio

-Qrow

This is where I draw my scum read from your slot, Qrow/Raven. I liked Mirio's request for people to check in before locking in the raid party, and it should have been done. The primary reason you are here though is that you fed right into Cakez vote, which set off alarms for me as possibly trying to get a wagon going on a player who posited a logical and reasonable point of the game state. I felt it opportunistic, and was glad nothing eventually came from it, and more importantly, you attacked Mirio under the basis that they were trying to prevent an early D1 scum elim, when in fact they were trying to slow the game down for the raid formation.

Okay you definitely missed my point entirely
I specifically said "first step" in quotation marks to indicate I wasn't trying to draw an exact parallel, but making a point that in any other game the elim is the first major decision of the game, but here it's raid entry
also don't like some of the wording here. Why exactly are you glad nothing came of this?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

given my experiences with games advancing the first step “too early” I agree that mirio’s approach feels a bit scum-motivated. I’ve been on both ends of a town win where a very early D1 scum elim put scum on the back foot for the rest of the game.
VOTE: Mirio

-Qrow

This is where I draw my scum read from your slot, Qrow/Raven. I liked Mirio's request for people to check in before locking in the raid party, and it should have been done. The primary reason you are here though is that you fed right into Cakez vote, which set off alarms for me as possibly trying to get a wagon going on a player who posited a logical and reasonable point of the game state. I felt it opportunistic, and was glad nothing eventually came from it, and more importantly, you attacked Mirio under the basis that they were trying to prevent an early D1 scum elim, when in fact they were trying to slow the game down for the raid formation.

I obviously didn’t agree with that.

Gamma are we still voting Mirio because I think that’s a mistake.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Yeah, I took the vote off after he posted more and his posting felt genuine

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Maybe that’s because the quote marks serve different purposes
The first time I highlighted “too early” because I felt like in those cases it wasn’t too early as it helped town win. Second one was me pointing out that the first thing to closely analyze in this game is not the Day 1 elimination.
Don’t like how you didn’t respond until you came upon that post, unless you also sort by descending, but I can’t verify that so my default reaction is to distrust your timing of response

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I am pretty much in support of the romance wagon but I’ll maybe let Nancy drive things a bit more
Wrt Mandelbrot I’m reading them mostly off of Yume rather than House so I get that he’s mad but I can’t really change what I’m seeing

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Wrt Mandelbrot I’m reading them mostly off of Yume rather than House

Qrow = Gamma?

-House

yup

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I get that he’s mad

You damned right I'm mad.

You're one of the players I used to expect to find me when I'm town, but ever since I've come back we've been like strangers almost.

- House

I get there’s been some acclimation but this feels doubly strange in that first I feel like you’ve also given me crap for TRing you too fast and second being that you are concerned at all the TRs on you but you’re also concerned by the TR that’s on you but at the same time NOT on you

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I took a step back because I kinda saw that my play felt legitimately scummy while doing what inadvertently became self-meta on my homesite
So I’m trying to not basically attempt to force the game to go my way and instead let others do the talking somewhat

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

No. I was whining about the fact that you can find Yume as town but not me because of the headbutting we've done since my return.

Well, if I were to read your slot just on your posting it’d probably be a TR still
Yume just kinda made it easier, and I’m not gonna overlook that

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I took a step back because I kinda saw that my play felt legitimately scummy while doing what inadvertently became self-meta on my homesite
So I’m trying to not basically attempt to force the game to go my way and instead let others do the talking somewhat

-Qrow

Why does town-you care if you look scummy?

Because I’m not just playing for myself here. Nancy told me to in different words basically stop acting so clingy. I’m trying to take her advice because I feel like I’ve been kinda desperate for approval.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

To expand on that a bit: in another game (one was a hydra with Cheeky for, in fact!) Prism noted I tend to kinda overcompensate as scum because I feel compelled to carry my buddies’ weight on my shoulders. While not a 100% accurate tell it’s certainly a valid representation of my mindset. Here I was very excited for the game to start and I let myself get carried away, so it probably looked like I was trying to look towny early, which I kinda was, but I was also excited for the game to finally start.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Setup Information

• 21 Players Themed Game
  
• Contains heavy spoilers of the theme (2.0 content). You have been warned in advertisement, you have been warned in signup thread, and you have been warned here again.
  
• Special Mechanic - Primal raids and the Realm in Danger
  
  • Primal Raids
    - Every day players may join the raid against the Primals. If joined by more than 8 players, only the first 8 players will join. If there are fewer than 8 players left and there is a primal alive they will automatically join the raid. If at least one member of the hostile factions are in the raid group, the said member will decide whether the raid succeeds or fail. There may or may not be a role that affects the raid. Upon a successful raid, participant will be given a bonus listed, while failing a raid will increase the Realm danger meter. Clearing a raid will decrease danger meter.
    
    
  • Realm in Danger
    - Eorzea is in great danger due to primal threats and Garlean invasion. The danger meter starts at 0 in the beginning of the game and may be increased up to stage 3, causing detrimental effects to the game.
    
    * Stage 0 - Nothing happens
    * Stage 1 - 2 days taken off of day deadline
    * Stage 2 - Hostile factions members gain Multitasking modifier
    * Stage 3 - Elimination costs one less vote (Not applicable in a MeLo/ELo)

Sample Role PM

Hydaelyn

Welcome to FFXIV ARR Mafia

You are

Hydaelyn (

Vanilla Eorzean

)

Ability:

• None.

Win Condition:

• All hostile factions are eliminated

Can someone explain to me what is exactly supposed to happen in a raid?

Thanks.

~Raven obviously.

[Qrow and Raven]

If it works, the people on it get the bonus listed each week. A plus one in this case.

Only scum can cause it to fail, but they get to choose if it works or not. If it fails bad things listed there happens.

It's first come first serve too. So yeah.

@Mastina, what was that game we played that I think was hosted by SS?

It involved similar mechanics irc?

I played under my Raven alt in case you don’t remember.

[Qrow and Raven]

If it works, the people on it get the bonus listed each week. A plus one in this case.

Only scum can cause it to fail, but they get to choose if it works or not. If it fails bad things listed there happens.

It's first come first serve too. So yeah.

@Mastina, what was that game we played that I think was hosted by SS?

It involved similar mechanics irc?

I played under my Raven alt in case you don’t remember.

Subject: Mini 2133: XP Mafia II (Game Over)

Spoiler:

Setup Specific Rules:

I. XP
Each player in this game will have a certain amount of XP. XP can be gained by some night actions, and can be spent to power abilities. Each player starts with 1 XP unless otherwise specified, and players can never have less than 0 XP. Players are always aware of how much XP they have.

It is public knowledge that the Mafia's factional kill costs 1 XP to carry out.

The Mafia member making the kill may spend an additional 1 XP (for a total of 2) to make the kill a strongman kill, meaning it cannot be stopped by anything except for a commuter.

II. Training
Each player, by default, is allowed to Train during the night. This takes the place of another action and cannot be used alongside any action. When a player Trains, they gain 1 XP. This is an action and can be blocked or seen with Follower, but it is not considered a visit and therefore cannot be seen by Tracker, Motion Detector, Voyeur, or Watcher.

III. Public Mechanics
This game has a certain set of Public Mechanics. Public Mechanics are guaranteed to be in play for the whole game once they are put into play, and different game events may cause new Public Mechanics to go into play throughout the game. The following Public Mechanics are in play at the beginning of the game:

[Capture]
All players may vote to block another player using

Capture: Player

or HURT: Player. Once a majority is reached, the day ends and that player is captured. The captured player will be unable to take any actions (personal or factional, including Training) the following night, and if they are aligned with the Mafia, they will lose 1 XP.

[Quest]
During the day, any player may PM us to choose to join the quest. They may change their mind at any time. At the end of the day, if more than half of the living players have chosen to do so, the quest will succeed; otherwise, it will fail. If the quest succeeds, a PT will be created for the following night with all players who joined it, and during the first half of the night they must vote in that PT on one player on the quest to become the Leader, chosen by plurality. Then, the quest PT will be locked and the Leader will be shown an item which gives a special power, and the Leader must choose any other player on the quest to receive the item (they will be secretly informed that they received it and what it does). This does not count as an action. The Leader will also gain 1 XP, which can be used that night. Players participating in a Quest may still Train or take other night actions, as normal.
However, if the quest succeeds, the Mafia will learn who is on the quest and may choose one player on the quest to sabotage that night, preventing all actions they take and removing all XP they have. XP they spend or earn that night is not lost.

Spoiler:

[Upgrade]
During any day or night, any player may PM us to spend some XP to upgrade their role. Each role has a different unique upgrade, and each role has an upgrade cost that is between 2 and 4 (and is known to the player). When a player upgrades during a phase, they will learn their new role at the end of that phase. Players who upgraded will flip with their upgraded role, but it will not be visible to rolecops.

These are the

only

Public Mechanics initially in play.

Voting to lynch is not initially available.

However it is still possible to vote to end the day with VOTE: End Day; this has the effect a No Lynch would have in a standard game.[/area]

IV. Actions
This game contains two types of night actions: standard actions and bonus actions. Unless otherwise specified, all actions are standard actions. Each player may carry out a maximum of one standard action and any number of bonus actions in one night, unless they Train, in which case they may take no other actions (standard or bonus).

The Mafia factional kill is a bonus action; this in effect means that all Mafia members are multitasking, as they may carry out the Mafia kill at the same time as taking a personal action.

Players may also have passive abilities, which are abilities that always trigger and cannot be roleblocked or interfered with.

This game also contains day actions. Any number of day actions can be taken during a day, but each day action can only be taken once per day unless otherwise specified.

[/quote]

Found it!

So would you say that raids are similar to quests?

[Qrow and Raven]

row/raven+ Toog+ wheme.
/:

Am I totally off?

???

Are you reading my posts?

It’s not at all unusual for me to initially be lost in a large game. You should know this from Death Curse.

Anyway, I just reread the entire game for the second time. I feel better about the bears. I think that people aren’t paying enough attention to my posts and that is a huge mistake.

I also like Sakura as well and agree on Mastina, Mandel.

UNVOTE:

I’m going to unvote for now because rn I don’t want to risk mis a possible LHF. We almost lost Post Appocalypse that way.

~Raven

[Qrow and Raven]

I dunno, I just never have much luck reading gamma and this game isn’t much different. He’s half focused on side topics and half focused on hunting and I’m not sure if that’s scummy or townie.

eh. What side topics have I been focused on? I feel like I've had to field this sort of call-out as both alignments so I can't entirely say what you should be feeling, but why do you feel like you have trouble reading me generally?

Why?

Consider me an expert on all things Gamma. Aside from that Nancy seems legitimately deflated to have rolled scum, again.
~C

a few things
First, care to engage what I mentioned earlier referring back to the coalition game? Second, if you wanna get smart, then let's play ball: what's the full list of mental disorders I'm pretty sure I have? Third, Nancy's said this in our chat as well as in this thread that she doesn't fare too well early on in large games.

anyway, I'm gonna try to re-assess some things because I kinda have an impression of the game rn and I wanna see if it feels right.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I've had some weird fleeting thoughts about there being scum in Qrow/RealCheeks/Head1+2 and I don't know if it's because they're all hydras and there's weird dissonance from two people expressing themselves or what.

Titus would have a field day with these Rules of 3.

ngl I am mildly concerned because ydrasse iirc has played a decent number of games with hydrae before so shouldn't be this lost sorting them? I don't remember all games in which she's played where hydrae were allowed and present tho, the ones I do explicitly remember are scumgames of hers

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

okay she was at least town in tarot upick
which I still want to make a formal apology to marcistar for the way I conducted myself that game, that was absolutely uncool of me

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

So would you say that raids are similar to quests?

You may recall I got force-replaced in XP Mafia and I didn't follow allow after that, at all.

So I've no familiarity.

Bell

Mirio
dwlee99
Mystic Bears (Noraa + Flea the Magician)
Titus
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal)
tictac*
Mandelbrot (House + Yume)

Toogeloo

Tomorrow Corporation
ArcAngel9

Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39)
Momrangal
Whemestar
Sakura Hana
Romance

RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
Elsa Jay
Save The Dragons


SirCakez

Probably closer to this.

I don't feel good in my reads at all.

Sorry.

I honestly don’t remember that. If Alisae is Mirio, e can hopefully answer my question then.

I want to hear more from Arc and Cakes. I don’t really have any read on Arc because she really hasn’t done much. As for Cakez, he was flaming obvscum in CoD and very townie in Doubles but if he’s town here he needs to do alot more. His lack of engagement is concerning.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Uh yeah I'm not touching that Gamma.
~C

Then don’t act like you know me. You’ve never even posted in my GTKAS.

Anyway, I’m on the fence about Wheme but kinda wanna TR him, just because he doesn’t feel stilted rn

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Although before EJ’s vote the wagon formation was pretty solid

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I didn’t really mean for that to get toxic but I was really tired of being BSed, I think Cheeky hasn’t actually been looking at my play with an honest eye and has just been looking for an easy pounce.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

You have really have no idea how hurtful that is when I've always thought of you as like a little bro and I do read your gtkas I just don't post because I feel like anything I would post is just incredibly lame compared to what you're going through. So eat that, jerk.
~C

That’s actually really sweet of you to say tbh. You don’t have to worry about whether your posting would be lame, I feel like anything is welcone seeing as most times my GTKAS is practically dead.
I feel like if you’re town you’d be well-served to actually take a step back and reconsider how you’re approaching me. As it is, it looks like you kinda went with thread temperature on us and have been trying to back it up with meta platitudes that won’t hold to serious inspection.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

You have really have no idea how hurtful that is when I've always thought of you as like a little bro and I do read your gtkas I just don't post because I feel like anything I would post is just incredibly lame compared to what you're going through. So eat that, jerk.
~C

Guys plz no fighting. It's a place of love here.

Cheeky, I would be honoured to have you post absolutely anything in my GTKAS. You inspired part of my sigline.

I’m lowkey frustrated that I really don’t have any confident srs yet. Hopefully I can demonstrate to everyone what a shining beacon of towniness I am as the games progresses, just like I did in Death Curse.

~Raven

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: head 1/head2

Sorry to hear that Wheme but I really need you to explain this vote?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I think I have a good idea of who Mirio is and he’s likely town because of it because he’s kinda flat as scum

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Hopefully one day i'll be better at using logic instead of gut.

Logic is overrated anyway. Vibes are everything. The key is learning to put those vibes into words. I’ve gotten way better at that ever since I started doing therapy.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m torn between Wheme and Romance rn. While I liked some of her posting, she lacks the fire of her towngames but Idk if Wheme is actually going through a difficult time or just stalling.

I’m thinking Mastina is wrong on Cakez. This sounds more like Doubles’ Cakez to me than CoD Cakez.

Cakez was pretty much frozen scum in that game.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Your memory is outdated.

Cool to see who gets sympathy tho.

Where is your fire Romance? You just seem so lethargic? If you’re town here I need to see that from you.

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: Wheme
Why are we doing this?

I get a real bad vibe from this
Wheme could be either alignment but this is just a bit too skeevy to not call out

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

It feels like scum either wanting to push forward a miselim or get on a bus before it’s too late

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m extremely hungover right now sorry have not been giving this game 2 much effort

Plan to read when I wake up from this nap im about to take and try to catch scum

I look forward to this.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Btw
@tictac could you try to cut down on the texting abbreviation stuff? I feel like it’s muddying your posting a bit.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: RealCheeks

I am not saying we should not do the raids. I am saying we should let the entire game check in first.

VOTE: mirio
This post gives me tonally gross vibes

same
but the fact that ALL of LGW's posts are like this suggests a personality thing.
Weak mindmeld on this.

Who is LGW? I kinda noticed this before but glossed over it

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

TC you seem very mercurial, why is that?

-Qrow
Btw I’ve been going over some of the events so far and I think I have a better idea of where my head is at, I’ve got about 2/3s of the game more or less sorted

[Qrow and Raven]

Btw I’d like to thank Dwlee99 for throwing a wrench into one of my probably more valid tells.


-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

If I ask what tell would you tell me? (If so, which tell?)

In a bit perhaps

[Qrow and Raven]

VLA September 17th-20th

uh-huh

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

When you say this are you talking about they have similar meta?

Creature’s alignment used to be super obvious and now that’s true for Bell. Read any of his games and his alignment becomes super obvious in his first few posts. Creature now has a pretty decent scumgame but it didn’t happen for a very long time.

~Raven

[Qrow and Raven]

I agree with Gamma/Nancy scum. I don't agree with bell town.
~ C

Why are we scum and Bell is like the easiest read ever. He’s the new Creature. No offence, Bell. <3

Why did you quote this?

[Qrow and Raven]

PG 35

I'm liking what I see so far, vote remains where it stands

New person of interest: cheeky

All the page 35 posting was me not cheeky. If you have questions I'm around.

-R

Why do you sr us?

Also ~R

[Qrow and Raven]

What do you guys mean bum rushing the raid wasn't a good idea, because now we're giving scum tons of PR info? Why didn't anybody warn us!

I’m staying away because I still don’t really understand whether or not it’s a good idea because I keep hearing differering opinions on that.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

inb4 a player named "Raid" replaces into the game.

/in before someone makes a bugspray joke.

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: head 1/head2

Sorry to hear that Wheme but I really need you to explain this vote?

~R

Wheme, I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

[Qrow and Raven]

I’m really torn on RC. I like RCE but Cheeky’s posts ping me.

Romance could be town but it’s hard to tell from the lack in of engagement.

We shouldn’t rush this vote until we hear more from Titus and especially Arc. Arc was extremely active in the last game I played with her, so I agree with whomever expressed concerns about this.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

AA9 is falling further into red territory, yes.

Fuck! I just ISO’d her and caught her ellitelling. She’s avoiding the game. It’s been 3 days. She posts onsite but ignores this game. Why?

VOTE: Arc

This is exactly what Infinity!scum did in a recent game. Active!Arc=town!Arc

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: head 1/head2

Sorry to hear that Wheme but I really need you to explain this vote?

~R

Wheme, I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

I think T3's wagons are a pretty easy way to determine his allignment.

I also think T3's posting hasn't been as carefree as I expect out of town him but he played that way in a similar finished newbie game so who fckin knows maybe hes trying to switch up his meta

That’s not a good reason to vote. Why is he scum?

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: head 1/head2

Sorry to hear that Wheme but I really need you to explain this vote?

~R

Wheme, I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

I think T3's wagons are a pretty easy way to determine his allignment.

I also think T3's posting hasn't been as carefree as I expect out of town him but he played that way in a similar finished newbie game so who fckin knows maybe hes trying to switch up his meta

That’s not a good reason to vote. Why is he scum?

I didn't have a read on him when I first voted him.

Sometimes you use votes to sort people and this is one of those times for me

Fair I guess.

[Qrow and Raven]

Toogaloo is town
Bell is town
Head one head two is town I think
Tic tac is town I think

STD pick a player to scumread and I'll sheep you

I think I can read STD based on meta because I found some tells
Waiting for him to post more.
-T3

@Wheme, don’t you think this sounds like a townie post?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

PG 35

I'm liking what I see so far, vote remains where it stands

New person of interest: cheeky

Can you elaborate on this some more?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I think cakes & wheme catchups both been pretty good, while mom didn't really.
I'd be okay with AA but it's not what I prefer.

Mod - I am on V/LA till monday morning

Not opposed but at least mom is doing something. Arc is posting elsewhere onsite.

mod, please prod Arc, it’s almost 4 days now.

[Qrow and Raven]

what even happens if we yeet someone who is on the raid?

Good question.

mod?

Does it need to be full to proceed?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Been busy with keeping my cousin entertained for most of today, will get to this probably in the late evening provided the spoons are still around.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Still got some spoons in the tank, I'm gonna work on reading what's been posted then if I feel like it's still warranted I'll go back to trying to place people via reading back over the game

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

well, first the thing I know I want to post. When I was thanking dwlee for fucking with one of my tells, that wasn't to do with his actions this game but in a past one. In large normal 235 he latched onto Nero Cain like a barnacle on a boat's hull, triggering my tell where scum tend to align with a townie's PoV to pocket that townie as well as to make them look partnered. Following that, in Mini Normal 2234 I saw scum!T3 doing similar things with town!StD, and because I'd had such a red herring in dwlee's behavior I completely overlooked it! And now I think I'm seeing the same things between 2 MORE slots here, so I'm kinda like "great, this tell feels REALLY solid but now that dwlee fucked it up it feels impossible to use it with the same faith I had before!"
I think I wanna leave the suspense on who's doing it here though, but the impression is there based on what I'd seen in my calibration readings.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

well, first the thing I know I want to post. When I was thanking dwlee for fucking with one of my tells, that wasn't to do with his actions this game but in a past one. In large normal 235 he latched onto Nero Cain like a barnacle on a boat's hull, triggering my tell where scum tend to align with a townie's PoV to pocket that townie as well as to make them look partnered. Following that, in Mini Normal 2234 I saw scum!T3 doing similar things with town!StD, and because I'd had such a red herring in dwlee's behavior I completely overlooked it! And now I think I'm seeing the same things between 2 MORE slots here, so I'm kinda like "great, this tell feels REALLY solid but now that dwlee fucked it up it feels impossible to use it with the same faith I had before!"
I think I wanna leave the suspense on who's doing it here though, but the impression is there based on what I'd seen in my calibration readings.

-Qrow

I mean you can still use that tell here cause it's probably scummy if there isn't a super legit reason to do it. I just happen to have good reasons to do that sometimes, which I explained in the game.

this was actually like, exactly the response I was wanting. I figured there was something extra causing the outlier and that would be it. This feels a bit hasty but I wanna TR you for this

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm still worried about your wheme vote
why would you vote a wagon before knowing the reasons, while also trying to inquire into the reasons?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

PG 35

I'm liking what I see so far, vote remains where it stands

New person of interest: cheeky

what does person of interest mean for you, and why is cheeky one?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I did check with the mod, and as a matter of fact: yes. That's in fact how it works! The mod confirmed that me using my 1x guaranteed raid success...will give me another shot at a guaranteed raid success.

The downside to me claiming/confirming this is that now all scum with X-shots know they can get another X-shot but hopefully the town can get more mileage out of the raid. (I claimed without knowing what the raid bonus was, I saw my role earlier, formed a plan for what I'd do on daystart, I was phoneposting when the game started, so didn't know the ramifications until now.)

A townie mindset would save this to stop 3 failed raids in a row or something instead of wasting it early on. But you claimed it when the mod alluded to that type of role day 1 and plan to use it immediately?

I read the raid thing at the beginning and it said only hostile factions can choose to pass or fail the raid if they're in it. So your ability seems more suited to town at first glance. But it said faction(s). So I dunno.

I just don't wanna trust you to claim this role so early. Does the town know when you succeed? Because if we don't know when you use it, then you can just let this raid pass through by just accepting this raid as scum instead. You'd know if your buddies are in the raid anyway.

I actually missed this post but just read it from the mystic bears catch up and wow I hard disagree with the first line of this post. Why isn't it a townie mindset for mastina to use it on the first raid?

I...think you're misreading. Pretty sure Elsa's issue lies a bit more in mastina immediately claiming that role rather than using it more covertly. Which as I wrote this I realized there's a covert way to have used that role that could have been very fruitful so I honestly agree with Elsa's objection to the claim. Do I think mastina is scum for claiming,

hell no

. I do think, however, she kinda jumped the gun by claiming before putting much thought into it. But I think that exact behavioral pattern is likely a towntell, in general.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Is it just me that feels like 49 pages in like 4-ish days for a 21 player game actually isn't that bad?

Join Raid

as Tank.

Romance's posts remind me of something from

REDACTED

game. The difference here is that Romance isn't even in threat of being eliminated at the moment, and it feels very dramatic.

Are you going to have a meltdown every time discussion of your elimination comes up, Romance? Is this just a Day 1 thing?

---

I'll be impressed if Wheme does a catch-up that doesn't sound like a skim read with no substance.

This is NAI of Wheme I think. In the few games I've played with Wheme, they always feel like a non-presence and float through the game.

---

I need a vote count.

I think I

might

know what this romance thing is but I'll wait on it for now. wrt Wheme I've kinda felt like he's town from some of his posting, it sounds pretty excited, like a dog happy to see it's owner.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Ill be ur little scholar healer ><

dear god this just bleeds town to me

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

PG 35

I'm liking what I see so far, vote remains where it stands

New person of interest: cheeky

All the page 35 posting was me not cheeky. If you have questions I'm around.

-R

>_>

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

What do you guys mean bum rushing the raid wasn't a good idea, because now we're giving scum tons of PR info? Why didn't anybody warn us!

myeahhhhhhh
I'll say it now that Mirio is one half of the pair I noted that's following that dwlee/nero, T3/StD pattern

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Somebody was talking about Titus and I'll say that she feels like a non presence here which seems scum indicative

ngl this feels reeeeaaaally bad
like, it just seemed misguided in the moment but putting thought into this, I recall seeing scum do this a fair bit, I think I've even seen scum!cakez do it in like this exact same manner

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm still worried about your wheme vote
why would you vote a wagon before knowing the reasons, while also trying to inquire into the reasons?

-Qrow

Can you think of a reason to not?

it looks more like you're interested in wagoning vs. sorting in a real capacity?

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: head 1/head2

Sorry to hear that Wheme but I really need you to explain this vote?

~R

Wheme, I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

oh yeah I also wanna say I think a reset on T3 might be deserved

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

AA9 is falling further into red territory, yes.

Fuck! I just ISO’d her and caught her ellitelling. She’s avoiding the game. It’s been 3 days. She posts onsite but ignores this game. Why?

VOTE: Arc

This is exactly what Infinity!scum did in a recent game. Active!Arc=town!Arc

~R

I think it might depend on aa9's content, I've seen her get suspected like twice now for low activity when she was town, and while I'm not playing with a certain person anymore he certainly impressed upon me that when reading aa9 you need to use nuance.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

VOTE: head 1/head2

Sorry to hear that Wheme but I really need you to explain this vote?

~R

Wheme, I’m still waiting for you to answer this.

I think T3's wagons are a pretty easy way to determine his allignment.

I also think T3's posting hasn't been as carefree as I expect out of town him but he played that way in a similar finished newbie game so who fckin knows maybe hes trying to switch up his meta

I literally just saw a game that's concrete proof of T3 trying to change his meta. You get townpoints for this salient post out of nowhere.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

I think cakes & wheme catchups both been pretty good, while mom didn't really.
I'd be okay with AA but it's not what I prefer.

think I mostly agree with this, with cakez being the exception

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

PG 35

I'm liking what I see so far, vote remains where it stands

New person of interest: cheeky

All the page 35 posting was me not cheeky. If you have questions I'm around.

-R

Why do you sr us?

Also ~R

Cheeky and I decided we are going to avoid engaging with you guys today for the sake of both slots and the gamestate.

We aren't interested in pushing you today but if we're both around day 2 we can talk about it then.

I'd rather try to work out our differences, specifically between me and cheeky, but if she insists I'll respect it
though there's a...separate part than the interactions between us that make me feel not-great about y'all

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

And I am kinda disappointed in mastina this game...

So am I!

I'm actually hard-disassociating right now. I'm onsite but I actually really don't want to be playing mafia right now. I'm not in the mindset for it. I'm not in the capacity to think. I'm not in the ability to be anything. I'm basically worthless. I've identified what's a type of localized depression which is particularly bad in this game, maybe with a side of the me that is fronting most right now being the me that isn't as fond of playing mafia so is less competent at it when forced into the role.

It's actually so bad that, no joke. I had the legitimate, genuine thought.

A thought I've never ever had before in a game.

No joke, first time I've ever had this thought before.

For this game.

I genuinely had the thought.

"Would it be better if I just...replaced out?" (or something similar)
Because I'm

not

, so to speak, "vibing" this game. I'm not resonating with it right now. I'm not "in" the game. I'm detached from it. I'm lost, I'm not able to focus, I'm not critically analyzing things and when I do I am wishy-washy about them, I'm reading but not truly comprehending and I genuinely don't think I can scumhunt right now.

And if I can't scumhunt, what good am I to the town? The main way I show my obvtownness is

through

scumhunting so I can't be obvtown without scumhunting and if I can't scumhunt right now I'm not contributing to the elimination of scum so if I'm not contributing to the elimination of scum and I'm not obvtowning thanks to not contributing to the elimination of scum...what good am I doing?

I'm not.

I know I'm not doing good and it's incredibly frustrating. The spark isn't there. I have a decent read on

why

the spark isn't there (disassociation, hardcore), but not how to get it back, other than:

"Wait, hope and pray."

Which, to be fair. Does work. Giving it time has, traditionally, always worked for me. While it's fairly rare, this is not the first towngame I've felt lost/detached from, and the 'give it time' approach was precisely what I needed in those games in order to get back into the swing of things. Sure enough, after I had the benefit of more time, I ended up being my normal self, contributing normally, having focus, having conviction, obvtowning, etc.

It's just that giving time is something that leaves me with only a hope of future-me being more suited to the task.

I'm sorry I'm not my normal self. Believe me, I

want

to be my normal self!
And you have my word that given extra time with extra flips and extra claims and extra scumhunting, I'll get better, more honed in, refined, etc. Which is why I'm not actually going to replace out, because I DO have faith in future-me to be the normal me.

But until then I'm just an extra body. I won't

hurt

the town in this state, but I can't help them in it, either. I'll be sure to tip the scales down the line as I've full confidence in my ability to do that once I have a good focal point. I just need to find it.

Until then, I know this sounds terrible, but.
I genuinely am considering just voting in the LHF that I don't townread and supporting other players doing the same.

RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
Sakura Hana
SirCakez
Romance
(gap?)
Whemestar
Elsa Jay
Momrangal
Save The Dragons

(this is not a readslist, this is a reformatted thing.)
As in, genuinely, voting any of the names in here, preferably the lower names due to them being lower activity.

This list is based on perceived lack of activity and perceived low-hangingness of the names combined with lacking true townreads in the names listed, but basically.

I am genuinely considering just voting the names I don't think are doing much in the way of gamesolving, just to advance the game into a state where maybe, hopefully, down the line, I actually have some semblance of good reads.

fuck, reading this hit me like a ton of bricks emotionally the first time and it's not any easier to read the second. I really hope you can start feeling better in general and about this game, mastina.
However, I'm a bit baffled by your metrics for that voting pool. Some of those names I can see the LHF label applying to, but there's no way in hell Sakura Hana is LHF here, Nancy hard TRs Sakura and while I'm maybe a bit more hesitant I don't think she's nearly as low-impact as you seem to. I also don't get why you think StD of all people your vote helps to sort. I've seen how town!StD reacts to pushes and I'm pretty sure he kinda just ignores them for the most part.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

PG 35

I'm liking what I see so far, vote remains where it stands

New person of interest: cheeky

All the page 35 posting was me not cheeky. If you have questions I'm around.

-R

Why do you sr us?

Also ~R

Cheeky and I decided we are going to avoid engaging with you guys today for the sake of both slots and the gamestate.

We aren't interested in pushing you today but if we're both around day 2 we can talk about it then.

But you’re voting us? And this doesn’t answer my question at all.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I am going to sheep mastina.

okay,

yikes

? Past towngames of aa9 she's felt a lot more like a free spirit, this does not resemble what I believe her town meta to be at all.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

Mirio, you must be newer here. I squeeze in reading during work getting slow when I can.

Mirio has expressed a degree of familiarity with me that indicates he's probably an alt.
aaaaaand posting this I think I get why mastina took issue with one of my posts!

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

AA9 might be scum, but i think they arent scum with Q/R and i think Q/R is probably higher chances than AA9 atm.

???

You literally gave no reason for this.

When have you ever voted a slot without giving a single reason?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

HAVENT READ BUT

join raid join raid join raid

(SirCakez is another 1-2% scum name here.)

I mean Mirio is right but am I that different from Nancy?
There’s also the fact that I am male and Qrow is male
-Qrow (aka Gamma)

However I think I have a much better vote now.

VOTE: Qrow and Raven.
Pretty sure they're scum. Like, compared to the 1-2% of SirCakez and RealCheeks, this is a solid 50-75%. Not 100% for sure but pretty damn high.
(To be clear, these percentages are on a scale of 0 to 100, where 0 is neutral, dead-null, and 100 is guaranteed scum.)

yeah I was 100% right about which post mastina voted me for
I now get that mastina voted me for similarities to how I acted early on in doubles mafia, though that's not actually a tell as I would make similar posts as either alignment
When I was thinking on Mirio's familiarity with me it ended up reminding me of how nsg nailed my identity right off the bat when I was playing on the Lie Ren account, and I reacted in a pretty jovial way both here and there.

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

And I am kinda disappointed in mastina this game...

So am I!

I'm actually hard-disassociating right now. I'm onsite but I actually really don't want to be playing mafia right now. I'm not in the mindset for it. I'm not in the capacity to think. I'm not in the ability to be anything. I'm basically worthless. I've identified what's a type of localized depression which is particularly bad in this game, maybe with a side of the me that is fronting most right now being the me that isn't as fond of playing mafia so is less competent at it when forced into the role.

It's actually so bad that, no joke. I had the legitimate, genuine thought.

A thought I've never ever had before in a game.

No joke, first time I've ever had this thought before.

For this game.

I genuinely had the thought.

"Would it be better if I just...replaced out?" (or something similar)
Because I'm

not

, so to speak, "vibing" this game. I'm not resonating with it right now. I'm not "in" the game. I'm detached from it. I'm lost, I'm not able to focus, I'm not critically analyzing things and when I do I am wishy-washy about them, I'm reading but not truly comprehending and I genuinely don't think I can scumhunt right now.

And if I can't scumhunt, what good am I to the town? The main way I show my obvtownness is

through

scumhunting so I can't be obvtown without scumhunting and if I can't scumhunt right now I'm not contributing to the elimination of scum so if I'm not contributing to the elimination of scum and I'm not obvtowning thanks to not contributing to the elimination of scum...what good am I doing?

I'm not.

I know I'm not doing good and it's incredibly frustrating. The spark isn't there. I have a decent read on

why

the spark isn't there (disassociation, hardcore), but not how to get it back, other than:

"Wait, hope and pray."

Which, to be fair. Does work. Giving it time has, traditionally, always worked for me. While it's fairly rare, this is not the first towngame I've felt lost/detached from, and the 'give it time' approach was precisely what I needed in those games in order to get back into the swing of things. Sure enough, after I had the benefit of more time, I ended up being my normal self, contributing normally, having focus, having conviction, obvtowning, etc.

It's just that giving time is something that leaves me with only a hope of future-me being more suited to the task.

I'm sorry I'm not my normal self. Believe me, I

want

to be my normal self!
And you have my word that given extra time with extra flips and extra claims and extra scumhunting, I'll get better, more honed in, refined, etc. Which is why I'm not actually going to replace out, because I DO have faith in future-me to be the normal me.

But until then I'm just an extra body. I won't

hurt

the town in this state, but I can't help them in it, either. I'll be sure to tip the scales down the line as I've full confidence in my ability to do that once I have a good focal point. I just need to find it.

Until then, I know this sounds terrible, but.
I genuinely am considering just voting in the LHF that I don't townread and supporting other players doing the same.

RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
Sakura Hana
SirCakez
Romance
(gap?)
Whemestar
Elsa Jay
Momrangal
Save The Dragons

(this is not a readslist, this is a reformatted thing.)
As in, genuinely, voting any of the names in here, preferably the lower names due to them being lower activity.

This list is based on perceived lack of activity and perceived low-hangingness of the names combined with lacking true townreads in the names listed, but basically.

I am genuinely considering just voting the names I don't think are doing much in the way of gamesolving, just to advance the game into a state where maybe, hopefully, down the line, I actually have some semblance of good reads.

fuck, reading this hit me like a ton of bricks emotionally the first time and it's not any easier to read the second. I really hope you can start feeling better in general and about this game, mastina.
However, I'm a bit baffled by your metrics for that voting pool. Some of those names I can see the LHF label applying to, but there's no way in hell Sakura Hana is LHF here, Nancy hard TRs Sakura and while I'm maybe a bit more hesitant I don't think she's nearly as low-impact as you seem to. I also don't get why you think StD of all people your vote helps to sort. I've seen how town!StD reacts to pushes and I'm pretty sure he kinda just ignores them for the most part.

-Qrow

I did before she made that shit vote on us.

[Qrow and Raven]

AA9 might be scum, but i think they arent scum with Q/R and i think Q/R is probably higher chances than AA9 atm.

???

You literally gave no reason for this.

When have you ever voted a slot without giving a single reason?

~R

Multiple times actually. But i did say several posts back that i gut SR you.

Where? Link/quote.

[Qrow and Raven]

There's also the thing that... my gut feels say Q+R are scum but like, then things like this:

I was only offsite for > 48 hrs and I didn’t even know that the game had begun.

sorry to bring yer rl into things, but there's an implication here about u not having access to a maf pt 4 pre-game planning that should not be ignored. otherwise game having started probs not a surprise.

Which make me think im most likely wrong.

In Royalty Infinity deathtunelled me the entire game because of her gut. She was wrong there too.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm out.

But before I go, you have no comment on me literally explaining the strategy to you. Ok.

I don't even get what the strategy accomplishes aside from the mindset of "I don't want to be a scapegoat so I'm going to tap out rather than let that happen", which I think makes little sense with mastina's claim
so you're just being flat-out confusing rn
also re: mastina claim meta the only lies I can remember have either been half-truths or lies as town, so I think Sakura's meta still holds

-Qrow

Huh?

I think the best way to explain is to use a meta example, in the coalition game where I hydra'ed with cheeky, art took themselves out of the coalition for fear of being pushed by scum as the scum within the coalition if it failed. Basically, by exempting themselves from the group, they were entitled to look at whoever they suspected as scum in the coalition because they weren't "inside the house", as the saying goes. I see a similar mindset in your leaving the raid, but that makes little sense when mastina has basically volunteered herself to take any heat if the raid fails.
I have some meta stuff I want to say on this but I gotta go to bed p soon

-Qrow

[Qrow and Raven]

There's also the thing that... my gut feels say Q+R are scum but like, then things like this:

I was only offsite for > 48 hrs and I didn’t even know that the game had begun.

sorry to bring yer rl into things, but there's an implication here about u not having access to a maf pt 4 pre-game planning that should not be ignored. otherwise game having started probs not a surprise.

Which make me think im most likely wrong.

In Royalty Infinity deathtunelled me the entire game because of her gut. She was wrong there too.

~R

Also, why are you ignoring evidence contradicting your gut? That’s what Infinity did. I was so off the charts obvious town based on absolutely everything but I just couldn’t reason with her. At one point, I got so frustrated I apparently said something that I got accused of possibly being trust telly and got a warning for it.

[Qrow and Raven]

Mostly because i dont feel you're sorting AA9 with the 'elitell' in good faith, i did some research into her after Mirio accused her OMGUS, because i remembered AA9 being a compulsive OMGUSer, and the way she reacted in another game i had with her was pretty different. However that game was like back in 2015, also the way you pushed her for "elitelling" while she was V/LA felt like someone looking for jumping to a potential Mislim.

So from this i do think that while AA9 could certainly be scum here, you arent scum together and the way you brought that up felt more like you were the scum in that exchange.

I wasn’t recently in a game where scum literally did the exact same thing as Arc is doing. So, yes, unless you’re someone like Pine who’s ellitelling is nai, I do find that really sus.

~R

I also don’t understand why you vote us rather than try to defend Arc if you think I’m wrong? I don’t understand your thinking here at all.

[Qrow and Raven]

I also don’t understand why you vote us rather than try to defend Arc if you think I’m wrong?

also the way you pushed her for "elitelling" while she was V/LA felt like someone looking for jumping to a potential Mislim.

So, you have the most problem with a slot who actually bothered to check whether a V/LA slot was posting elsewhere over slots that didn’t care to even try to find that out?

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

btw mystic bears seems town..

lets get the obvious scum

VOTE: Qrow and Raven

I don’t like this. You are jumping on Sakura’s vote.

If I wasn’t already voting you, I would definitely after this.

[Qrow and Raven]

I mean that's what it would've been if i had blindly believed you instead of doing my own research.

I don’t understand. Are you saying I’m wrong because I’m thoroughly confused now.

[Qrow and Raven]

Mostly because i dont feel you're sorting AA9 with the 'elitell' in good faith, i did some research into her after Mirio accused her OMGUS, because i remembered AA9 being a compulsive OMGUSer, and the way she reacted in another game i had with her was pretty different. However that game was like back in 2015, also the way you pushed her for "elitelling" while she was V/LA felt like someone looking for jumping to a potential Mislim.

So from this i do think that while AA9 could certainly be scum here, you arent scum together and the way you brought that up felt more like you were the scum in that exchange.

I wasn’t recently in a game where scum literally did the exact same thing as Arc is doing. So, yes, unless you’re someone like Pine who’s ellitelling is nai, I do find that really sus.

~R

I also don’t understand why you vote us rather than try to defend Arc if you think I’m wrong? I don’t understand your thinking here at all.

You were or weren't in that game?

Recently i was in game, scum exactly did what you're doing.. trying to push miselimination on me because i was not very active.

Why were you posting elsewhere and not here? Why are you deflecting it on to me? Sorry but your jump on me is seriously scummy because it looks like you’re opportunisticly sheeping Sakura to try to get us miselimed.

[Qrow and Raven]

Why were you posting elsewhere and not here? Why are you deflecting it on to me? Sorry but your jump on me is seriously scummy because it looks like you’re opportunisticly sheeping Sakura to try to get us miselimed.

I have responded to this already.

Asking same question twice, saying same things multiple times doesn't make you right. SCUM!

I’m made a promise to myself that I wouldn’t be toxic, so I’m not going to respond to this until you stop calling me that.

I can’t engage with someone if they’re deliberately trying to rile me up.

If i’m wrong, explain that to me - minus the infamatory language.

[Qrow and Raven]

Q+R: AA9 is opportunistically sheeping Sakura!.
AA9: Q+R is opportunistically accusing me while im V/LA.

We wont be getting anywhere like this.

I agree.

[Qrow and Raven]

Nancy stop!
There’s legitimate reason to SR AA9, I don’t think ellitelling is one of them. You’re just giving her room to hide if she’s scum by doing this.

-Gamma

[Qrow and Raven]

Like, I’d declared V/LA myself and earlier today I’d been ellitelling a little myself. Some games require more mental bandwidth to participate in than others, that’s just a fact.

-Gamma