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[datsi]

i'm a bit busy for the next 4-5 hours so i'll properly read and respond to all the posts then (i've skimmed a bit), but i wanted to out a hot take in the meantime:

iv is likely scum. the fact that he hasn't returned from his catching up yet from yesterday (and that catchup was like 5 pages with non-explained reads? lol) is indicative that he doesn't want to be in this game. and as much as it pains me to say, if iv is red, aristeia is somewhat likely to be a partner. mainly because her reads seem to be kind of consensus-y/yeetbaity players, but there's absolutely no mention of iv anywhere, who i think would fit that description rn. her last game with me made me think she's anti bus, so i could see her be trying to divert attention from iv here.

okay this is the basis for my push?

Datisi idk wtf ur doing here I hope you don’t actually believe this

I have been playing this game for less than 24 hours phoneposting and I am like 20+ pages behind or whatever

Granted the late start was my fault but I don’t see how You could think I’m just scum here

My catch was done in the middle of the workday which I don’t really have a real break I’m taking time out to play this

If you MUST know what I was doing last night I am with my partner celebrating a holiday and I don’t really want to be playing mafiascum during that

Was I seriously about to die because I hadn’t posted for like 16 hours?? Hello what the fuck Datisi? And how did people agree with that?

I swear dogshit like this makes me want to go back into hiatus I don’t have like 2 hours every day to devote to this and I shouldn’t have to explain myself every time I go away for a very reasonable amount of time

Datisi you are scum here trying to push a fast one on me while I am still in catchup more or town doing idk what maybe trying to tilt me into this. like I’d like to think Town gou isn’t this bad how can you possibly show so much confidence in this read just based on that. I hope you have a great explanation for this or I am vote parking you the rest of the game

actually one of the most ridiculous flashwagons I have seen in my life

Margot is also scum here or needs to go back to Newbie queue for intentionally putting me at E1 this early on AND asking for a claim especially with NM in the game but maybe not even

I will put a little bit of time into this tonight but if I’m going to get killed because im not poring over this for hours a day like cmon that’s just ridiculous

this feels kinda organic

[datsi]

Kyo the way you do meta is so infuriating

I'm not saying you're wrong to say this but why

[datsi]

yeah, iv's use of the term shotgun reads pinged me for parroting so I searched his ego and he's only used it once before, also in a game with Datisi, also he was using the term to reference Datisi's usage of the term. They were both town.

i'm probably about to go off at iv myself but like in what universe is that scum!indicative? or town!indicative for that matter? even if he had never heard that term before, saw me use it, and decided to use it himself, how does that potentially reveal anything about his or my own alignment here?

ngl the random irrelevant meta point seems town indicative from kyouko

[Mewtaph]

Mewtaph’s posts seem kind of secretive which is +town

could you describe where you're seeing this

Salsabil Faria asked something similar to me but the real reason why you're scumreading me is...? All I know is that you do. Haven't seen why anywhere yet.

[Datisi]

Scum will subconsciously or intentionally copy town players, or players that are perceived to be town, both to pocket/buddy that player, and to appear more like that consensus TR to everyone else.

i think this sort of thing is pretty nai overall, but maybe i'm biased as a person who often picks up words and phrases other people use, both online and irl.

anyway, i want to point out that, after sleeping on it a bit, i don't get or like 420. mainly, what seems to be the case that he said opposite things on early analysis as town and as scum, therefore he holds the opposite opinions as town and as scum. and this game he did 10/12 because it is "townie" in the mindset he has as scum, therefore he's likely scum this game.

but here's where this kind of breaks down imo - i think it's fair to assume that we're more often likely to lie as town than as scum. so i'd also assume that, when he called early analysis townie when he was scum, he was saying that because he was lying and wanted to get something out. and likewise, when he said he finds it a waste of time as town, that that was what he genuinely believes.

so i'm not sure if it would make sense that he, if he's red here, made those posts in order to grab towncred for moving the game out of rvs. because i don't think someone's opinion on a thing (moving the game out of rvs) magically change once they rand the other alignment - only their words around it might. and as i feel like it's more likely he was being honest about it as town (that is, he doesn't find it to be townie), not sure the assumption that he would be doing that technique here as scum to grab towncred is a solid one.

if i'm misunderstanding the case, lemme know, but i'm not sure the "he has opposite opinions of early analysis as town and scum" is something that fully like, makes sense? the point about his reaction to my 17 is okay, but i don't think he was townreading me for that anyway? (i'll recheck at some point.)

i think a few people have said that kyouko has a flat scumgame or that they can read her by meta, and have said that she's townie here, and ii'm not willing to strongly go against that as i have had playstyle clashes before. but i do wanna point out i'm getting bad vibes from her and for others who know better to check my work and see if i'm seeing nothing or what.

[datsi]

VOTE: T3
The stuff you’re saying about him makes sense though

i find it kind of odd that you're lowkey sheepng aristeia on t3 when she's pretty adamant in saying you're scum? do you have any opinion on that?

I feel like she raises valuable point against T3 and wanted to see how she responded to me voting there
ngl, not exactly a fan of what I saw

[Mewtaph]

I'm going to need an answer to 628. I don't care if you don't townread me. But you've had this scumread on me for a while now so you should be able to explain why.

[innocentvillager]

Datisi

I think this is a timeframe thing

did you not read the part where I said I forgot this game existed

yes it is my fault for doing that but I have been playing this game for less than 24 hours RL

your characterization of me “returning after 2 days posting catchup of just 5 pages and dipping” is really uncharitable and for you to be pushing me on content based on this

the fact that you are still haranguing me for this is weird and makes me think you are more likely to be just emulating what you think town you would be doing to me

also, I rescind the point about the flashwagon, I realized I was directing a disproportionate amount of my tilt to you rather than the flashwagon as a whole because clearly u didn’t like some of the hop ons either

[Mewtaph]

@datsi: You've had a resistance to voting me in the past which I find really odd because of all your scumreads I'm the one that's most likely to head into the direction of an elimination. And even if that's not the case now, it was in the past (at the time where you resisted voting for me).

[datsi]

You’ve felt very reactive thus far

[Aristeia]

this feels kinda organic

Do you think it's AI?

[innocentvillager]

getting narrativy and stretching here but maybe you were hoping the flashwagon woukd happen due to ur influence and could ultimately claim no responsibility. apparently the game thinks u are town for some reason. guess it’s in the 20 pages I didn’t read idk

[Mewtaph]

You’ve felt very reactive thus far

... Is that all.. or?

[innocentvillager]

also oop about Roden sorry never played with mod confirmed town at gamestart before so probs just glazed over that

[Datisi]

did you not read the part where I said I forgot this game existed

i did read it, and excuse me for not having blind faith that you're telling the truth about it?

i'm gonna be pestering you until you start developing takes. i don't think this is a secret by now, like i said this a lot in mbos, if i know a person who loves town and hates scum, and i see they're underperforming, i'm gonna be on their ass about it.

[innocentvillager]

I was considering aristea, but then I realized if IV was really catching up he would have already seen me missing post 2's IC reveal

iv how do you plead?

i did not make it that far yet

I’m still phoneposting at work when I get home later today or tm I will review more on comp

[Aristeia]

I feel like she raises valuable point against T3 and wanted to see how she responded to me voting there
ngl, not exactly a fan of what I saw

what do you mean?

[innocentvillager]

it’s one thing to pester me about it until I develop takes and another to push strongly for my elim 24 hrs into my entrance

do you really think scum me would fake forgetting about the game? why would I do that/whats the scum indication behind it for you?

[Datisi]

getting narrativy and stretching here but maybe you were hoping the flashwagon woukd happen due to ur influence and could ultimately claim no responsibility. apparently the game thinks u are town for some reason. guess it’s in the 20 pages I didn’t read idk

i mean, if i'm scum and you're town, a flashwagon happening on you and ending in a hammer after i wrote one (1) "btw guys i still think iv is scummy" post and then dipped the thread is absolutely scum!me's wet dream. but i think scum!me would also have to be very unrealistic to expect that to happen, so the idea that i made that post with exact thought of "hah, maybe this one post will make a sudden flashwagon and hammer and i won't have to do anything else today" is like lol?

[innocentvillager]

also, I gave initial first impression takes and why were they shit again? just because I had you as lolscum and didn’t explain them? I hope you are calling out any read with no explanation as shit then because if not I don’t see what in particular made mine bad

[Aristeia]

I just want to kill IV because I am very jealous he is getting all of Datisi's attention

[Datisi]

it’s one thing to pester me about it until I develop takes and another to push strongly for my elim 24 hrs into my entrance

do you really think scum me would fake forgetting about the game? why would I do that/whats the scum indication behind it for you?

i never pushed to kill you. i never asked for a hammer, i said myself the flashwagon was odd and probably had scum on it. don't misrep me.

yeah, i don't see why you wouldn't? like, 9:12 literally just ended, i can see scum!you being tired and deciding to just Not Post to then later on go "hehe sorry guys i like totally forgot about this game lol"

in that case i'd assume you also have at least some faith in your partners to not fully fuck up but eh, that's too far out there to speculate i think

[innocentvillager]

okay maybe not that very exact scenario but certainly there’s plenty of scum!motivation for u to start pushing me right when I’m not responding and u are townread no? I think ppl expressed concerns with my catchup or whatever idk it all just seemed like kind of opportunistic timing maybe baiting an early wagon on me

certainly this scenario that actually arose was a really good result for scum!you

[innocentvillager]

get in line Ari I’m always datisi’s front and center

[Datisi]

also, I gave initial first impression takes and why were they shit again? just because I had you as lolscum and didn’t explain them? I hope you are calling out any read with no explanation as shit then because if not I don’t see what in particular made mine bad

you know me much better than to call me scum like that. if you're seeing something i'm doing as scummy, you better have a proper explanation for that because if not, i will be left to wonder if it's scum!iv changing his tactic with me when he couldn't pocket me by townreading me last game