Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Mandelbrot]

I haven't read enough of dwlee to have an opinion of their* alignment, but I don't like that particular post.

Fix't.

Apologies, dwlee.

[Mandelbrot]

What are they desperate for?

Maybe YOU should read the game closer.

- House

[Bell]

You lost me Qrow,
what do you mean?

Of course it's not entirely accurate. If those kinds of reads were, mafia would be pretty easy.

[Bell]

Not following Mandel,

do you mean they're desperate to read AA9 correctly for once, that they want a miselim badly, or that they're deflecting or something?

[mastina]

I don't really think Gamma is scum here
Could vote mom

+1 to both halves of this.

mastina as i know is a pro-town player. So my intent to say that i will sheep her was more to do with the confidence I have in her (based on my perception).

One of my issues here, AA9, is that this is the first game you and I have both been players in for years--and I've some serious doubts that you would still think I, as town, would have a good lock on scum on D1.

You may have observed that trend years ago in my play but as far as I can tell you most certainly have

not

observed that trait in more recent times.

[Qrow and Raven]

I vaguely recall mastina maybe feeling under-the-weather like this before as town, and even if not, I don’t support reading into someone’s emotional welfare on that level

-Qrow

[Toogeloo]

VC 1.09

Titus (1):

Mystic Bears

Dwlee99 (1):

ArcAngel9

Tomorrow Corporation (1):

WhemeStar

These three votes are weird. Why do we have people trying to make these outlier votes? These people need to pick something popular, or amp up their motivation and push the reason a little more vocally. In particular, I feel like the Wheme vote on TC is both wasted and futile given the type of player Wheme is. They may as well not be voting at all.

[mastina]

mastina's claim, although townie, can never be disproven.

Fortunately, I don't need to prove my role, I just need to use it.

Bell
Mirio
dwlee99
Mystic Bears (Noraa + Flea the Magician)
Titus
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal)

I feel confident enough with mastina's townblock. Her scumreads I'm not sure yet.

I mean you're not the only one.

I do feel decent about the townbloc; the scumreads? Not so much.

It's nice to have you back my own feelings tho when I feel pretty shit about them.

Genuinely, thank you. <3

Dumb take but I feel like genuinely most if not all scum are just lurking this out

Not actually much of a dumb take.

In the hundreds-posters,
{Real Cheeks, Sakura Hana, Dwlee, Mandelbrot, Bell, Qrow and Raven}, we have a very low presence of possible scum.
I don't think anyone in there has a high chance of being scum.

In the high-dozens-posters,
{Mirio, Head One Head Two, Mystic Bears, SirCakez, Romance, maybe-Whemestar; maybe-Elsa Jay}, there's still a fairly low presence of possible scum.

In the lower posters,
{Toogeloo, Momrangal, Titus, AA9, STD, Tomorrow Corporation, tictac}, there's two names I wouldn't yeet due to roleclaims (tictac, Tomorrow Corporation) and two names I wouldn't yeet due to townreading (Titus, Toogeloo), but I'd basically yeet any of the others.
(Momrangal, AA9, STD).

In the three groups I've broken down activity in, I'd go 0-1 in the first, 0-2 in the second, and 1-3 in the third.

Does mom have a lurkscum meta?

More or less, yes. At least more than she doesn't. Momrangal hates drawing scum, and it shows in her investment in a game more often than it doesn't.

[Mandelbrot]

Not following Mandel,

do you mean they're desperate to read AA9 correctly for once, that they want a miselim badly, or that they're deflecting or something?

Not a fan of the leading question.

They're obviously desperate to eliminate AA9. I have no way of knowing at this point the motive behind it or the result.

- House

[Tomorrow Corporation]

I'm sorry, everyone. I gave it some thought and the raid has a lot of benefits I'd overlooked. I've tried to restrain myself but it's simply an offer I can't refuse. Ugh, I'll probably regret this later.

Join Raid

TC could you please answer my previous question @ you?

-Qrow

I'm a pretty emotional person, yeah. I let the tide take me wherever it pleases and I don't complain. If I have a problem with someone, I'm telling them upfront and I'm not mincing words. Same goes for if I like someone though, if I like you, you'll know it.

[Tomorrow Corporation]

Last post was from Tom, this is Susie speaking now:

I like mastina, she's got style and personality.

[Qrow and Raven]

I'm sorry, everyone. I gave it some thought and the raid has a lot of benefits I'd overlooked. I've tried to restrain myself but it's simply an offer I can't refuse. Ugh, I'll probably regret this later.

Join Raid

TC could you please answer my previous question @ you?

-Qrow

I'm a pretty emotional person, yeah. I let the tide take me wherever it pleases and I don't complain. If I have a problem with someone, I'm telling them upfront and I'm not mincing words. Same goes for if I like someone though, if I like you, you'll know it.

Hm, alright.
Which posts have been Tom/Susie?

-Qrow

[Bell]

I vaguely recall mastina maybe feeling under-the-weather like this before as town, and even if not, I don’t support reading into someone’s emotional welfare on that level

-Qrow

I do. I play mafia in part because I like the idea of trying to understand other people. I don't mean it negatively or in a judgmental way. My read accuracy is also pretty poor, so I have a long way to go.

Not following Mandel,

do you mean they're desperate to read AA9 correctly for once, that they want a miselim badly, or that they're deflecting or something?

Not a fan of the leading question.

They're obviously desperate to eliminate AA9. I have no way of knowing at this point the motive behind it or the result.

- House

If it was obvious, then it obviously wasn't obvious to me.
I'm not familiar with your understanding of the words leading questions. Usually a leading question implies guilt. I just sort of shotgunned a bunch of different guesses of what you might've been implying.

[Mandelbrot]

If it was obvious, then it obviously wasn't obvious to me.
I'm not familiar with your understanding of the words leading questions. Usually a leading question implies guilt. I just sort of shotgunned a bunch of different guesses of what you might've been implying.

No. A leading question implies guiding the answer to a desired response.

You offered a bunch of choices that would suggest I had some level of scumread on dwlee when I've never stated a read or opinion on their slot one way or the other because I don't yet have one.

- House

[Bell]

2 of those do.
1 of them doesn't. /:

[Mandelbrot]

Eh, missed the first example in my skim.

Sorry for that.

[Mandelbrot]

Like, I read it but it didn't click.

[Bell]

Don't be, it's normal.

[Mandelbrot]

He's obviously moved past trying to read AA9 at all, though, so it's an irrelevant option.

- House

[Qrow and Raven]

Idk if I got my idea across to Bell effectively but idc to litigate further when it seems like the subject isn’t as fraught (that might be the wrong word but w/e) as I initially felt it was

-Qrow

[Mandelbrot]

I don't see how you can claim you don't see how he's obviously trying to eliminate AA9.

It's an objective fact, not an opinion.

- House

[Bell]

mm.
So I can back up and just retread with context. I think some scum pick on moral failings of players rather than focusing on other player's alignments (unless a player is saying something pretty objectionable to realistically elicit a response).
I was poking at you to see which you might go with. When you responded, I wasn't sure if you were being intentionally vague/demurring or if you really thought it was obvious. I'm sort of a literalist, so I prefer more concrete statements especially for later in the game when there's more information.

@Qrow, Aight.

[Dwlee99]

Yes I think I might be right this time

[Mandelbrot]

Spoiler:

Aa9 is probably a good vote here

Because I'm town

Don't think you can honestly say the same

As someone who has miseliminated Aa9 many times I am clearly an expert on reading her

Thinking on it, I'm pretty sure arc has been eliminated in every game I've been in with her

Cakez why do you think Aa9 is town besides my terrible read rate on her?

To be contrarian or something.

Okay so arc is evil right let's consolidate?

Either I keep up the streak of mislimming her or I get a dub

Nvm mastina is already voting her anyway other people should also vote aa9

These are the posts I've read just popping in from time to time today where they've been trying to sell her wagon like a 1984 Nissan.

I'm not saying it makes them scum, I'm just saying they're invested in eliminating AA9 just like (by their own admission) every other game they've been in with her, which makes it seem like they want us to consider their campaigning to be NAI instead of letting their work in this game stand on its own merits.

- House

[Mandelbrot]

Yes I think I might be right this time

Who else is scum?

- House