Mini Normal 2245: LJITGBSMoD [game over!]

[T3]

IM FIRST

[T3]

I EVEN BEAT DATISI

[T3]

When I type the vote tags my phone suggests that I type “Gamma”
VOTE: gamma

[T3]

When I type the vote tags my phone suggests that I type “Gamma”
VOTE: gamma

umm what? why would your phone suggest gamma?

i vote him a lot

[T3]

camel's opening felt awkward to me but I took a look at his previous town newbie game and it also felt awkward so I'll write it off as NAI.

[T3]

I'm a miller btw

VOTE: Vig: Not_Mafia[/b]

[T3]

I'm a miller btw

Vig: Not_Mafia

messed up the tags

[T3]

Just woke up to this clusterfuck. If T3 is actually vig I will literally cry.

VOTE: Jolyne as revenge against the daughter of the man that took me out.

maybe

[T3]

T3 did you roll scum again?

you got me
dang how are you so good

[T3]

VOTE: jolyne
koba must die

[T3]

T3 did you roll scum again?

you got me
dang how are you so good

If you tell me your teammates i might let you live until day 3.

you and your avatar

[T3]

Koba is in this game?

Koba = Jolyne

[T3]

koba altslipped 5 times in mini normal 2232

[T3]

VOTE: T3

nooooo i'm lurknig under pressure

[T3]

koba altslipped 5 times in mini normal 2232

But the players in this game are not likely to know that.

I felt like it

[T3]

not to towntell, but this game started?

I think Jolyne is town for this. They did a very similar thing in Purgatory when they townslipped but then admitted they didn't read the setup to make them have a higher chance of townslipping and this is reminding me of that.

[T3]

Holy crap T3, i was just joke scumreading you at first.

Unfortunate with that red pm buddy.

VOTE: t3

why is what i did scummy

[T3]

koba altslipped 5 times in mini normal 2232

I spectated that and didn’t catch it. Must be scum insider info.
VOTE: T3

I can't tell if this is a joke.

[T3]

VOTE: t3

why is what i did scummy

ur vibes arent goody, not sure how to explain that (:

smh
bad vibes

[T3]

T3 did you roll scum again?

you got me
dang how are you so good

VOTE: T3

nooooo i'm lurknig under pressure

i know ur joking but like these dont have good vibes it kinda feels like ur not doing this naturally / the general feelings to all ur posts make me think ur not at ease
if u want specific reasoning :shrug:

I kind of see where you're coming from.

This probably comes from town marci, town her usually does a lot of vibereads.

[T3]

...I don't think I am going to fit in in this game.

VOTE: JarJar

Welcome, please make yourself at home and get an avatar, here's a algorithmically generated suggestion

I will turn you into steak. Don't do it.

[T3]

T3 I don't mind the meta too much rn but pls try to read people based on the contents of this game as well

Yeah fair
I kinda struggle with analytical reasoning

[T3]

…Why does the blue one jiggle harder than the pink?

Yknow what, I don’t want to know.

darby, got any thoughts on the game? Also what's your mafia experience?

[T3]

I'm not voting for meta reasons, i just thought their tone so far has been a bit scummy.

I've been told that my tone often sounds baseline scummy.

[T3]

UNVOTE: darby
They're showing a towny thought process - also im vla until monday, very busy weekend. i delegate thread leading to marci and darby

This post feels genuine, same for norwee's comment about marci mindmelding.

[T3]

I remember alice lurked whn I played with town her last.

[T3]

UNVOTE: darby
They're showing a towny thought process - also im vla until monday, very busy weekend. i delegate thread leading to marci and darby

This post feels genuine, same for norwee's comment about marci mindmelding.

How does it come across as genuine? I think this is my fourth post and I so far have not come across as any sort of leader.

I don't think jolyne was saying you're a leader, they were saying you should lead.

[T3]

UNVOTE: darby
They're showing a towny thought process - also im vla until monday, very busy weekend. i delegate thread leading to marci and darby

They've only made one read post and honestly I don't think town would vote someone if someone else told them to.
I'm sticking to my vote as of now

I agree. My only game move was saying sure and voting lol

This is a curious point of self-awareness, think it’s towny but I’m not locking that thought in

gonna sheep this read because i didn't notice it but i agree

[T3]

aloha

[T3]

There’s nothing exciting happening through dayplay so let’s just get a flip somewhere.

now this is openwolfing

underwhelming catchup ngl

[T3]

redtea give a 20 page essay of ur top 3 scumreads in the next 30 mins or ur scum :<

replace scum with d+ and you sound like my english teacher

[T3]

no
you can ward off demons with a big stick and reciting an incantation

[T3]

wait whos the one warding off demons-

anyways marci is tonw

[T3]

yasss marci norwee townblock

[T3]

VOTE: val

[T3]

I don't wanna see anyone acting stupid this game, or you'll have my unlimited fury poured into destroying you. When I have a solve, you'll LISTEN TO IT.

depends

VOTE: darby

I don't like his posts.

what dont u like about them

Comment about vig shot sounded fake. Almost like he tried very hard to act as uninformed as possible. This mindset comes from scum.

It’s crazy because this is my first normal game so yes, I am uninformed. Weird read to see ignorance as AI.

scum often fake townslips like that

[T3]

Okay this is kinda silly BUT t3 didn't even say hi to me
VOTE: T3
Scared of me?

your avatar is too intimdating
i was quaking in my boots when i saw you replace in

[T3]

a lot of unreadable banter
usually when that happens it means my reads are incorrect

[T3]

Val is basicaly openwolfing at this point so I'm fine with my vote there.
I'd say gamma is the main slot I need to reevaluate.

[T3]

Val is basicaly openwolfing at this point

Strong statement. Explain?

one-liners

it feels like scum you has a massive wim issue and can't find things to latch on to

[T3]

Is that based in actual meta you've done T3?

i've played with town val a bit

[T3]

town val would create a lot of walls and had better insight. here he feels like lost newbscum

[T3]

Dodging the question. Got it.

[T3]

val what do u think about the wagon on u..?

I think it makes a refreshing change from the "should we policy lim Not_Mafia?" discussion.

one-liners

it feels like scum you has a massive wim issue and can't find things to latch on to

That might be answer, but it's an answer to a different question. Others have pointed out that my opening to this game is obviously different to some previous games. That is fair. You accused me of "basically openwolfing" which is something quite different from "he has opened this game differently to the last game or two I've played with him", no?

I'll ask again, T3. Can you explain what scum agenda you think I am advancing here, and doing so in plain view?

I don't think you're doing a very good job of advancing your scum agenda

[T3]

~ all members of the

mafia

are

backup ascetics

. they may or may not have additional roles and/or modifiers.

wwhats an ascetic..

i literally didn't notice that lmao

[T3]

I don't actually believe all those espousing the view that I am such a poor scum player I am incapable of playing mafia in the shock of opening a red role PM, and instead have no choice but to announce myself as scum, genuinely legitimately believe that.

I've giving redtea a little bit of a pass on this one, because although some examples have been posted in this thread, the context - that the wall of text comes very early, on the first page or two at a time where there is little to no actual justification to read anyone in any direction, is important. If you do read them in context you would notice that, despite being walls, the reads and the justification for them are absolute garbage, and you should regard anyone who has tried to represent my meta as delivering "insight" with suspicion.

They are such obvious bullshit that I usually choose to open the game in the manner I do for the actual game advancing discussion it usually generates when someone does, or pretends to, take it seriously and attack the merits and try to start a wagon on me as a result. Given this playlist, and the familiarity a good portion of the players here have with it, I figured the

absence

of such a wall (particularly if I opened with exactly a single word) would serve the same purpose; and I appear to have been proven right.

As it happens, redtea, I got the exact same 'vibes', though I called it 'gut', out of Norwee, and is the reason I am starting there.

I'm not saying that.

[T3]

~ all members of the

mafia

are

backup ascetics

. they may or may not have additional roles and/or modifiers.

wwhats an ascetic..

i literally didn't notice that lmao

Oh t3

hello there

[T3]

As far as I am concerned, I have played to my meta

You literally haven’t.

okay you're town

[T3]

Ah I see

I like this t3 vote though

Talk about T3?

Hop onto val in the scum-zone, regardless of Val alignment vote was weirdly placed and just done without me seeing t3 put reasons. I also felt like the thing about the backup ascetics was faking dumbtell

I never read the rules of the game.

Like ever

[T3]

Ah I see

I like this t3 vote though

Talk about T3?

Hop onto val in the scum-zone, regardless of Val alignment vote was weirdly placed and just done without me seeing t3 put reasons. I also felt like the thing about the backup ascetics was faking dumbtell

I never read the rules of the game.

Like ever

I mean fair cause same

But also I know you're privvy to faking town slips as scum

True lol
I didn't townslip in a way that was meant to grab attention like scum me usually does

[T3]

very secret and quiet townslip

[T3]

Lol Val, you're misplaying your role hard.

First of all, let's ignore that you're hyperfocusing on another town.

So you get an IC and the first thing you do is to literally just pretend to be scummy and then say "AHA! YOU THOUGHT SCUMMY POST WAS SCUMMY!? WHAT A SCUM YOU ARE!!"

Like, jesus.
Amateurs.

;-;
UNVOTE: val

[T3]

Dwlee is playing to his scum meta but I'll need more data

[T3]

He replaced in early enough that I think it's fine

[T3]

Dwlee is playing to his scum meta but I'll need more data

He replaced in early enough that I think it's fine

*they
mb

[T3]

yes?

[T3]

marci what is your avatar doing

it looks like you're eating a miniature christmas tree

[T3]

yes i do have reads

[T3]

how many votes am i at

i know there's going to be a wagon on me even though i haven't caught up yet

i can feel it

[T3]

t3

yes?

[T3]

Gamma Emerald - null town
toxictaipan - no idea
AnimeK - lean town
NorwegianboyEE - lock town
Val89 - lock scum
T3 - lock scum
DArby* - town
marcistar - town
Jolyne - town
Dwlee99 JarJarDrinks - lean scum
Not_Mafia* - null
redtea igorsprite - lean scum
camelCasedSnivy - null

[T3]

this may change after catchup

[T3]

oh wait wtf i completely forgot that i'd read anything from pages 12-19 LMAO
no catchup then

[T3]

pVOTE: redtea
i declare a vote

[T3]

it's 5 am
i have to wake up early today but i woke up at 2 am and couldn't get back to sleep and i thought that if i tried i would slep through my alarm clock

the only solution is to play mafia for 3 hours until i actually have to wake up

[T3]

Also, wow.
You joined and played games when you were 14 years old?

I registered an Epicmafia account when I was

10

. Beat that.

[T3]

Oh my join date here is also when I was 13. Okay I feel bad for spamming so lemme find something to look at

Dwlee is playing to [their] scum meta but I'll need more data

See I think this is bullshit

I think t3 just made it up

T3 claims to have this super epic meta tell on me. So how am I doing it now. It's fake. Not real. It's cap: bazinga, even.

You need more posts for it to work.

[T3]

You’re still playing towards your scum meta btw

[T3]

Can you explain what this "scum meta" entails?

The amount of times they vote someone within their first 50 serious posts. With town them it’s almost always exactly 4 times, scum then it’s usually 1 or 2.

[T3]

Yes.

[T3]

about how many games were reviewed to come to that conclusion? # scum games vs # town games?

Like 9-10 town games and 3 scum games.

[T3]

It usually gives a false positive when dwlee replaces in.

[T3]

Town dwlee votes people 4 times on average
Scum dwlee votes people 1 times on average
Per first 50 serious posts

[T3]

Why did you say Dwlee was "still playing to his scum meta" earlier? It felt to me like you were saying his posts made in the present gave you that vibe, but now you say it's about posts made in the past.

“Still playing” as in he hasn’t voted anyone else yet.

[T3]

VOTE: dwlee

[T3]

T3 do a townie

activate innocent child

[T3]

T3 if this is actually supposed to be accurate you ruined it by being scummy and making me vote park you

This is genuinely accurate.

[T3]

VOTE: dwlee

T3 do a townie

activate innocent child

T3 if this is actually supposed to be accurate you ruined it by being scummy and making me vote park you

This is genuinely accurate.

Did the tell work even when I tunneled Zyla super hard in your game. Don't feel like checking

Also eagerly awaiting the mod announcement

what game?

[T3]

if you mean fia wrc then yes it did work

[T3]

Pardon?

In almost every Dwlee game I've seen when they haven't replaced in:
if they're town then they will vote at least 4 people within their first 50 serious posts
if they're scum then they will vote almost exactly 2 people within their first 50 serious posts

by post 34 dwlee had voted exactly 1 person in a serious vote (me)
conclusion: dwlee is scum

[T3]

yes
you have a special obsession with the number 50
because 99 is 50*2-1

[T3]

i find it hard to think deeply about what's going on so i spam the thread hoping to generate discussion

[T3]

val or t3 will you join me and let not_mafia hammer
I forget whether toxic was in jolynes poe or not you can also join me
I can't promise results all I can promise is info but I thinkk it'll be juicy

VOTE: toxic

i feel like he has an =rand chance of being scum though

[T3]

Apologies for my activity sins. I completely understand why I'm getting wagon'd for that. But, that doesn't make the wagon on me any less opportunistic. My content is so low that the only valid argument is I am potentially lurker scum. I'm highly suspect of the slots seriously pushing for my elim right now. Essentially taking my inactivity for granted.

This is scum.

how

weird complaining

[T3]

Apologies for my activity sins. I completely understand why I'm getting wagon'd for that. But, that doesn't make the wagon on me any less opportunistic. My content is so low that the only valid argument is I am potentially lurker scum. I'm highly suspect of the slots seriously pushing for my elim right now. Essentially taking my inactivity for granted.

This is scum.

how

weird complaining

hows it weird

wordy language

[T3]

val did a town thing
dwlee did a scumthing

[T3]

I want to do the LN thing again

Anyone explain what the LN thing is?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720

See the flips

fun fact this town!dwlee game follows t3's scumtell

that game just ended
UNVOTE: dwlee

[T3]

theres something i realized based on what val said and im gonna keep it to myself until d2, i think val realizes it too.

town

[T3]

T3: Can you explain your thoughts on my wagon a little more in depth?

you've barely posted so i have no read on you

i don't have much of a poe

[T3]

val did a town thing
dwlee did a scumthing

like a "did something helpful for town thing?"

did a confirmed town thing
innocent child

[T3]

I want to do the LN thing again

Anyone explain what the LN thing is?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720

See the flips

fun fact this town!dwlee game follows t3's scumtell

that game just ended
UNVOTE: dwlee

oh lol

theres something i realized based on what val said and im gonna keep it to myself until d2, i think val realizes it too.

town

do you not consider their thing earlier a townslip?

i don't remember LMAO
i don't think townslips are out of koba's scumrange

[T3]

I want to do the LN thing again

Anyone explain what the LN thing is?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720

See the flips

fun fact this town!dwlee game follows t3's scumtell

that game just ended
UNVOTE: dwlee

You were there though. And you didn't mention the tell

i think i thought the tell didn't work bc it was a large game?

[T3]

Is that never 4 a rule that comes with normals, or is it just outside your experience to have more than 3?

There are almost never 4. In the words of normal reviewer mastina "9:4 Mini Normals are the devil"

[T3]

i ellitell as town btw

[T3]

bah screw it we kill toxic

[T3]

i'm so low energy in this game

[T3]

i'm happy with a toxic lim and my reads are unchanged

[T3]

why yes of course let's lim the lackluster tryhard town over the lurker

[T3]

I think toxic is town but by any objectve measure his reaction is scummy

[T3]

His reaction to what, T3?

Where do you think we should be looking next on a town!toxic flip?

dwlee alice or camel

[T3]

VOTE: toxic
IM SORRY

[T3]

ugh

[T3]

VOTE: camel

[T3]

SUCH NEWBTOWN POST
VOTE: nm

[T3]

mafia are now immune to co checks

[T3]

i'm going to read ISO's because i'm honestly so lost

[T3]

time to actually read iso's now

[T3]

not to towntell, but this game started?

I think Jolyne is town for this. They did a very similar thing in Purgatory when they townslipped but then admitted they didn't read the setup to make them have a higher chance of townslipping and this is reminding me of that.

"Didn't read the setup" townslip is very dangerous as it is easy too fake.

T3 is being voted a lot. Is there a meta reason for that? I can't find anything ai in his iso.

I think one of the few posts that pinged me as sus earlier is Alice’s: "T3 is being voted a lot, is there an meta reason for that?" post.

The only way to get reads is to keep the very real threat of DEATH hanging over the heads of those that wish to mislead us.

PROVE ME WRONG.

VOTE: AliceK

Where is your head at ATM?

I see your point. I agree however I have a gut feeling that T3 is town and we should look somewhere else.

but there are better options for today.
UNVOTE:

like..?

Not_Mafia is for sure a better option.

But what is even better is to have a look at Val's wagon especially after this post:

That's E-2, in a game with Not_Mafia on the list. Just saying.

You all want me to play my Uno Reverse Card now?

which was a pr soft.

UNVOTE:

Dwlee, who is scum?

Why ask him in particular? Is he that good in scum hunting?

so I apparently only wrote down one of my thoughts which was that

Norwee is likely innocent

. Darby and Gamma have at least 1 scum.

However I am too lazy to elaborate on that so:
VOTE: Not_Mafia

the bolded part sounded tmi.

So I looked into it a bit more real quick. It's not a word I see used elsewhere in the iso (nor the abbreviated version), and almost no reason is given for townreading norwee except one post early on about how norwee "seems to be solving". Given the frequent interactions with norwee's posts, after being asked about norwee again later, I would expect something like "I agree with them a lot, I don't think they're misdirecting me, their thought process is sound, etc" but like. No. Just "norwee is town". Which makes me think Alice doesn't actually have a reason except for knowing it. Also makes me think they aren't partnered, because then I would expect more effort.

Srry that's all I have without doing more isoing

I just played with Norwee recently where he rolled scum. That's meta read

Pretty much all of these posts it seeemed like alice was genuinely solving

[T3]

t3 what is your read on norwee?

i have no idea
i townread him, then i realized i didn't really have good reason to townread him

[T3]

I need to consolidate town!t3's confident reads and compare them to flips one of these days
I think he's lining up a case and then-
bam
townread

idk
my reads are sometimes wildly inaccurate or sometimes pretty good

[T3]

ayo im lit asf bruhs ama

high and or drunk koba = readable koba

[T3]

^townpost

[T3]

VOTE: AliceK

come on

[T3]

NorwegianboyEE - lock town

t3 what is your read on norwee?

i have no idea
i townread him, then i realized i didn't really have good reason to townread him

Lol

yes

[T3]

That’s all you have to say?
I’m literally questioning that you’re mafia with an fake ass progression on a slot you claimed to townread.
It would be wiser to give more than that in response regardless of what you are.

everything i'm saying here is exactly what i was thinking

[T3]

ok listen up fuckers

I AM A [REDACTED] MAILMAN WHO SENT MAIL TO NORWEE THAT HE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED(i do not have gatedness that depends on target like simple)

i instant voted norwee because they did not follow the directions i sent to them

now lets bury him and move on to the next one ok?

i buy this

[T3]

VOTE: norwe

[T3]

That's surprising ngl
VOTE: Norwegianboyee

I will explain my reads later. They are quite complex... and it's middle of night for me.

bleeding town
unless i've been corrupted by the anime avatar

[T3]

T3 too is acting real bleh and feels like their scum meta is showing now, with apathy and general "not-knowing-what-to-do" attitude.

that's my town meta

[T3]

vote count 3.00

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-11-08 08:30:00).

yeet

not voting [9]:

Gamma Emerald, AliceK, T3, DArby, Jolyne, Dwlee99, Not_Mafia, redtea, camelCasedSnivy

mod notes

~ sorry for the late daystart, i was lazy lol

flavour

c

[T3]

That's a good point, but we still have no proof of Jolyne's claim.

i don't think that's the kind of thing that koba lies about
like sure, it might be a really galaxy brain play
but i would be willing to bet that jolyne is at least a mailman

[T3]

I’m very sure jolyne is town here

[T3]

I don't mind eliminating Jolyne, however I would like to solve the game today. There is a chance that Jolyne is something like vt who fakeclaimed mailman to get Norwee eliminated...

that doesn't sound very towny at all

That's a good point, but we still have no proof of Jolyne's claim.

i don't think that's the kind of thing that koba lies about
like sure, it might be a really galaxy brain play
but i would be willing to bet that jolyne is at least a mailman

you don't think they're experienced enough to pull it off?

that's just not the kind of thing people do

[T3]

VOTE: dwlee

[T3]

VOTE: dwlee

Explain your vote other than the blatant chainsaw you're doing?

you tmi'd me as town
i've seen you do that before as town
in which case i voted you as poe

[T3]

VOTE: dwlee

Explain your vote other than the blatant chainsaw you're doing?

you tmi'd me as town
i've seen you do that before as town
in which case i voted you as poe

I don't see how this follows

i dont think jolyne is scum

[T3]

I JUST THINK YOURE SCUM

[T3]

fine im convinced
VOTE: kolyne

[T3]

OKAY NO IM NOT
by an objective measure, jolyne is scum
but i think theyre town

[T3]

idrc if i die tomorrow if we get scum today
I ALWAYS GET MISLIMMED THO

[T3]

i mean even if its e-1 t3 knows that NM exists so lmao

I forgot

[T3]

I don’t just effectively hammer my scum partner reluctantly

[T3]

Anyway
VOTE: t3
Still think it is this
Play around Koba was awful and I think the best way to catch t3 is through associatives

true

[T3]

can't say why but I think redtea is town

[T3]

Strange did you miss Darby claiming an inno on Alice and then flipping town

I did

[T3]

LMAO

[T3]

i'm liking chaos's catchup

[T3]

2 scum alive, 7 players
i'm town

[T3]

One more to eliminate t3 let's gooooo

Do you wanna claim something t3

vt

[T3]

THIS HAPPENS EVERY GAME

[T3]

i'm relatively active amd then i post less and i get mislimmed