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[Salsabil Faria]

or, OR, i'm not voting you because i'm town and i am unsure if just plowing through the poe is the right thing to do here since that's gotten us 2 green flips so far, but you're attacking me with some awful arguments that i have to defend against!

that explanation for what "scum me is doing" is incredibly weak and non specific? can you go into detail about what you thought there?

No, that's my whole case. I don’t find my way around in deepwolf case yet, so not possible for me to prove that you're the deepwolf.

You are on my ass from D1, if people literally going against me by agreeing with you, I would have literally eliminated in D1 and you know that don't you?


You're making a huge mistake here which won't tell you (or anyone) now, will disclose it on post game with example.

[Datisi]

If something isn’t town indicative then it's by default scum indicative or vice versa??? I never heard about null indicative term before unless that's the case here?

yes???? it's called "non alignment indicative"????????

like if i said "me typing in lowercase isn't town!indicative for me" (because i type in all lowercase every game regardless of my alignment) and then you said "so you typing in lowercase must be scum!indicative!" taht would be wrong? it's nai

i understand how my actions CAN come from scum

but the issue is if you want to claim they're scum indicative for me, not only do you have to explain why they CAN come from scum, you also need to show why they DON'T come from town

because if something can easily come from both town and scum (like for example, typing in all lowercase) it's worthless as a read

you've shown why it can be something to come from scum but you haven't shown why it's something that can't / isn't likely to come from town

[Datisi]

You are on my ass from D1, if people literally going against me by agreeing with you, I would have literally eliminated in D1 and you know that don't you?

sorry, i have no clue what you're trying to say here or what you think this proves.

and what mistake am i making? cut the shit with revealing it post game.

[Salsabil Faria]

???????????

It's NAI for you but you don't have any interest to say that before??

Overreaction itself doesn’t necessarily town indicative or scum indicative but you make it like this: I CAN'T BE REACTED LIKE THIS AS SCUM ⇨this is what I find scummy.

[Salsabil Faria]

You are on my ass from D1, if people literally going against me by agreeing with you, I would have literally eliminated in D1 and you know that don't you?

sorry, i have no clue what you're trying to say here or what you think this proves.

and what mistake am i making? cut the shit with revealing it post game.

Why I point out your mistake when I'm considering you as scum??

[Datisi]

???????????

It's NAI for you but you don't have any interest to say that before??

Overreaction itself doesn’t necessarily town indicative or scum indicative but you make it like this: I CAN'T BE REACTED LIKE THIS AS SCUM ⇨this is what I find scummy.

i've been saying it's not town indicative for like 5 years but i'm not about to call myself scum so what the fuck did you think i was saying other than that it's nai lmfao???

also can you rephrase the last part, i don't get it

[Datisi]

You are on my ass from D1, if people literally going against me by agreeing with you, I would have literally eliminated in D1 and you know that don't you?

sorry, i have no clue what you're trying to say here or what you think this proves.

and what mistake am i making? cut the shit with revealing it post game.

Why I point out your mistake when I'm considering you as scum??

you could answer both questions in that quote, you know...

so that you can try to convince other people of me being scum and so that i can see whether you're genuinely thinking about the game and you think you found a mistake or if you're scum bullshitting and i should yeet you into the sun?

[Salsabil Faria]

Going to sleep now, my POE has changed btw:

Datisi

➤

CO

➤

Ari

➤

MR

Or,

CO

➤

Datisi

➤

Ari

➤

MR

@

Ari

, please don't give up! See, I'm doing something, you can do way more better than me.

[Salsabil Faria]

???????????

It's NAI for you but you don't have any interest to say that before??

Overreaction itself doesn’t necessarily town indicative or scum indicative but you make it like this: I CAN'T BE REACTED LIKE THIS AS SCUM ⇨this is what I find scummy.

i've been saying it's not town indicative for like 5 years but i'm not about to call myself scum so what the fuck did you think i was saying other than that it's nai lmfao???

also can you rephrase the last part, i don't get it

Dude, I've literally completed 1 year here a few days ago + I only played 1/2 games before this one? + I don’t stalk you so I can't know what is town, scum or nonalignment indicative for you.

From what you posted after being called out for the overreaction, it seems like you're telling that scum!you can never overreact the way you did, so that's literally and only town indicative and nothing else.

[Salsabil Faria]

You are on my ass from D1, if people literally going against me by agreeing with you, I would have literally eliminated in D1 and you know that don't you?

sorry, i have no clue what you're trying to say here or what you think this proves.

and what mistake am i making? cut the shit with revealing it post game.

Why I point out your mistake when I'm considering you as scum??

you could answer both questions in that quote, you know...

so that you can try to convince other people of me being scum and so that i can see whether you're genuinely thinking about the game and you think you found a mistake or if you're scum bullshitting and i should yeet you into the sun?

I'm phone posting so no.

Neither I give a damn about my elimination, nor I'm scared

Good night

[Salsabil Faria]

???????????

It's NAI for you but you don't have any interest to say that before??

Overreaction itself doesn’t necessarily town indicative or scum indicative but you make it like this: I CAN'T BE REACTED LIKE THIS AS SCUM ⇨this is what I find scummy.

i've been saying it's not town indicative for like 5 years but i'm not about to call myself scum so what the fuck did you think i was saying other than that it's nai lmfao???

also can you rephrase the last part, i don't get it

Dude, I've literally completed 1 year here a few days ago + I only played 1/2 games with you before this one? + I don’t stalk you so I can't know what is town, scum or nonalignment indicative for you.

From what you posted after being called out for the overreaction, it seems like you're telling that scum!you can never overreact the way you did, so that's literally and only town indicative and nothing else.

EBWOP

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I feel like from the way things have gone since I posted my Datisi case we have good partner interactions to go off of.

Datisi really only makes sense with one player now I think, and that's Chaos. Everyone else is quick to jump on board when Datisi has what the hivemind seems to say is a bad reaction. That's the narrative everyone is pushing right now. "Datisi is scum because he's overreacted to Kyouko's 1 vote." This is either true or it's being perpetuated by scum.

The one (non-conftown) person who isn't pushing this narrative is Chaos, in fact he slides right over it and "gets back to datisi" on his question about Salsa partners. It feels a bit scripted, like Chaos was just playing his part, doing what he was "supposed to" - he clearly missed a tonal shift in the gamestate and I feel like this lack of awareness is scum!indicative. The way I see it we will branch one of two ways from a Chaos flip:

Town!Chaos: He was the only sensible partner to Datisi, so Datisi is soft cleared until a scum is found. If aristea is flipped and found to be scum, there's a possibility she and Datisi have theatred this game hard from D1 and Datisi comes back on the table. Otherwise he remains clear. Top suspects are Salsa and MR.

Scum!Chaos: Datisi has to go next due to the mutual lack of meaningful interactions between these slots, combined with what has transpired since my case was posted. If Datisi then flips town, Salsa is likely town from the Chaos push, and the last scum is in {Margot, Aristea}

I am concerned about what will happen tomorrow if Datisi is miseliminated as town. I would prefer to start at Chaos and go from there based on his alignment, especially after what's gone down in the past few pages.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

[Enchant]

I tend to value Kyouko mind here and willing to vote Chaos as well.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Strike through is the part of the case that I don't vibe with the reasoning because of those arent lies, those are just estimations, but the WIM shown from examining timestamps like that is just obvtown imo. I know I never do that as scum, and very rarely will I do it as town.

Oh I'm glad I found this while examining Margot for crumbs.

If Chaos is town, Salsa is next - this loses only to Aristea/Datisi team.

[Datisi]

Dude, I've literally completed 1 year here a few days ago + I only played 1/2 games with you before this one? + I don’t stalk you so I can't know what is town, scum or nonalignment indicative for you.

From what you posted after being called out for the overreaction, it seems like you're telling that scum!you can never overreact the way you did, so that's literally and only town indicative and nothing else.

i was saying it's not town!indicative. but i'm not calling myself scum. therefore i'm claiming it's nai. holy shit.

anyway. i ask margot what's she liked about the kyouko case and what wasn't addressed in my response? she's gone
i point out aristeia quite literally said the thing she claimed i was interpreting? she's also gone
salsa claims i'm taking advantage of the situation but only gives a weaksauce nonspecific response as to what scum!me was apparently doing there and is calling me out for secret mistakes she doesn't wanna show

y'all see why i'm frustrated with this game?

kyouko, if chaos flips red, how sure are you salsa is cleared from chaos's push there? do you think the same would apply for aristeia?

also frankly i am a tiny bit annoyed you consider me the most obvious chaos partner for "not having meaningful interaction with him" when scum!me would've been yelling at him in the scum pt to join in on trying to murder me so that he doesn't stand out and so that we end up looking unaligned later on in case i actually flip. but i understand there's no way for me to actually prove what i'm saying here and i will instead accept the murder if he flips red and then drop one "i told you so" when i enter the dead thread.

in favour of chaos claiming, if anything because i want claims to happen and because i'm lowkey hoping that he claims a protective / blocker who did something last night and that makes us successfully force a massclaim because i am still skeptical of the confirmed + claimed amount of town power here. i really *want* to say whatever the fuck scum!margot is doing here mech-wise is outside general scumranges but i've seen scum bullshit via mech and i know she's generally ballsy scum so idk.

maybe i'll bother reading some of this game tomorrow.

[ChaosOmega]

I feel like from the way things have gone since I posted my Datisi case we have good partner interactions to go off of.

Datisi really only makes sense with one player now I think, and that's Chaos. Everyone else is quick to jump on board when Datisi has what the hivemind seems to say is a bad reaction. That's the narrative everyone is pushing right now. "Datisi is scum because he's overreacted to Kyouko's 1 vote." This is either true or it's being perpetuated by scum.

The one (non-conftown) person who isn't pushing this narrative is Chaos, in fact he slides right over it and "gets back to datisi" on his question about Salsa partners. It feels a bit scripted, like Chaos was just playing his part, doing what he was "supposed to" - he clearly missed a tonal shift in the gamestate and I feel like this lack of awareness is scum!indicative. The way I see it we will branch one of two ways from a Chaos flip:

Town!Chaos: He was the only sensible partner to Datisi, so Datisi is soft cleared until a scum is found. If aristea is flipped and found to be scum, there's a possibility she and Datisi have theatred this game hard from D1 and Datisi comes back on the table. Otherwise he remains clear. Top suspects are Salsa and MR.

Scum!Chaos: Datisi has to go next due to the mutual lack of meaningful interactions between these slots, combined with what has transpired since my case was posted. If Datisi then flips town, Salsa is likely town from the Chaos push, and the last scum is in {Margot, Aristea}

I am concerned about what will happen tomorrow if Datisi is miseliminated as town. I would prefer to start at Chaos and go from there based on his alignment, especially after what's gone down in the past few pages.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

There was definitely a tonal shift, but why would that cause me to change my course? If anything, it locks in my choice on Salsa further, Ari/Datisi does not look like S/S from that interaction, I think Salsa is a likely partner to either, and given the extreme likelihood of scum off the iv wagon D1, Salsa makes a ton of sense.

Strike through is the part of the case that I don't vibe with the reasoning because of those arent lies, those are just estimations, but the WIM shown from examining timestamps like that is just obvtown imo. I know I never do that as scum, and very rarely will I do it as town.

Oh I'm glad I found this while examining Margot for crumbs.

If Chaos is town, Salsa is next - this loses only to Aristea/Datisi team.

Or Salsa/Datisi, or Margot with either Datisi or Ari. I don't really think Margot is scum, I'm ok banking on that one, but I don't get the confidence in assuming Salsa/Datisi is not a team, even with their recent interaction.

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I'm VT.

[Gypyx]

votecount 4.2

Datisi (1) :

Salsabil Faria

Aristeia (1) :

Datisi

Salsabil Faria (1) :

ChaosOmega

ChaosOmega (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (3) : MargotRosa - Enchant - Aristeia

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[Aristeia]

I am not going to vote for you because I can't do that to you and some part of me still thinks you are town.

I am town

If you are mafia there are 4 other townies who can vote for you.

[MargotRosa]

I feel like from the way things have gone since I posted my Datisi case we have good partner interactions to go off of.

Datisi really only makes sense with one player now I think, and that's Chaos. Everyone else is quick to jump on board when Datisi has what the hivemind seems to say is a bad reaction. That's the narrative everyone is pushing right now. "Datisi is scum because he's overreacted to Kyouko's 1 vote." This is either true or it's being perpetuated by scum.

The one (non-conftown) person who isn't pushing this narrative is Chaos, in fact he slides right over it and "gets back to datisi" on his question about Salsa partners. It feels a bit scripted, like Chaos was just playing his part, doing what he was "supposed to" - he clearly missed a tonal shift in the gamestate and I feel like this lack of awareness is scum!indicative. The way I see it we will branch one of two ways from a Chaos flip:

Town!Chaos: He was the only sensible partner to Datisi, so Datisi is soft cleared until a scum is found. If aristea is flipped and found to be scum, there's a possibility she and Datisi have theatred this game hard from D1 and Datisi comes back on the table. Otherwise he remains clear. Top suspects are Salsa and MR.

Scum!Chaos: Datisi has to go next due to the mutual lack of meaningful interactions between these slots, combined with what has transpired since my case was posted. If Datisi then flips town, Salsa is likely town from the Chaos push, and the last scum is in {Margot, Aristea}

I am concerned about what will happen tomorrow if Datisi is miseliminated as town. I would prefer to start at Chaos and go from there based on his alignment, especially after what's gone down in the past few pages.

VOTE: ChaosOmega

I disagree. I think Chaos is the only slot it doesn't make sense to be partnered with Datisi, because there is no way scum makes it obvious in anyway they are aligned this close to elo

[MargotRosa]

I'm at my partner's today (Saturday is partner day) so I am only here very briefly.

For why I like ssbm case, without going through the game thread (which is a pain in the arse on mobile), I remember thinking it was incredibly detailed, and very logical. As I have said earlier, I am particularly interested in logical, rather than emotional, arguments, and that was the initial impression I got.

I need to read through Salsa/Datisi back and forth properly, but the brief skim I just did gives me bad vibes. Cards on table; I don't know whether they are scum vibes, or I'm just uncomfortable with the really hostile tone this game has taken on.

If I was voting right now, before reading through again, I would vote for Salsa. I feel like her flip will give us the most possible information about who remaining scum could be. In particular, I think her flipping green here is the least disastrous out of any possible green flips, because I think the possible pairs out of the remaining village are likely much easier to sort than the alternatives

[MargotRosa]

Point of 1793 is to say, by the way, that Salsa makes sense as a partner with either Chaos and Datisi, and only Chaos and Datisi

[MargotRosa]

As well as to say that I doubt Datisi and Chaos are partners

[MargotRosa]

Realistically, I don't see Datisi partnered with anyone else

[MargotRosa]

Which, PoE, if Salsa flips green, only possible pair really is Ari and Chaos

[MargotRosa]

Will do a deeper read either tonight when I get home, or tomorrow morning, but I'm actually comfortable enough to vote, with that reasoning

VOTE: Salsa