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[ChaosOmega]

To be clear, I'm not frustrated that people are FoS'ing me. I'm frustrated that people seem so resistant to getting a player up against a wall d1

this feels townie to me

welcome to the site Margot!

: )

Currently my readlist is like this:

Sweeter than the first Dewdrops of the Morning:

Datisi

Foamy Ocean Waves upon the Sand:

Dwlee, Salsa, Kyouko

A Forest Blooming in the Springtime:

Margot, Mewtaph

The taste of ash in the air after a Great Fire:

Datsi, Not_Mafia, ChaosOmega

Fire and Blood:

T3, IV

votecount 1.14

T3 (5) :

Salsabil Faria ; Roden ; Aristeia ; Datsi ; Datisi

Exe-2

Innocentvillager (2) :

ChaosOmega ; Not_Mafia

MargotRosa (2) :

innocentvillager ; Mewtaph

ssbm_Kyouko (2) :

Dwlee99 ; T3

Not_Mafia (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1) :

MargotRosa

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-01 20:18:31) or when a wagon reaches majority at 7 votes

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Spoiler:

There can be no hope in this Hell. No hope at all...

There is no reason why scum!iv doesn't vote for T3 in order to get t3 elimed over himself cuz yesterday was basically between t3/iv

putting T3 at E-1 is essentially hammering as NM is off the wagon.

I think Margot is obvtown since IV's reaction to her voting him was crazy

T3 makes the most sense imo as the bus vote on the initial IV wagon

I like my datsi/t3/IV solve

I think Margot/Datisi<3 are locktown atp.

I don't think Margot!scum makes 1192 about IV-scum.

Also don't think Datisi's push on IV and IV's reaction to Datisi make sense for S/S

I would really be shocked if Margot was red here.

i also kinda went through gamma and aristeia, and brain empty. i feel like my reasoning for ari!town is at least somewhat solid (at least until tomorrow until i hopefully gain more strength to actually read through what she was pushing against iv and the context around it), and gamma does look bad i guess, but idk. i'm not vibing with that read either. maybe the fact he townbinned quite a bit of people in that one post? i thought scum would've been using my absence to push me? maybe not necessarily. anyway, subject to change when he addresses whatever i asked him in the bigger post.

what are the odds the solve is something stupid like salsa/margot?

I really really doubt Margot is scum

she votes for T3 in 1147

instantly regrets it and unvotes 3 minutes later in 1148

I really doubt scum!margot does this performatively - she is re-evaluating in real time.

1149 she explains why she panicks.

Datsi shades her with:

1151 : "Interesting Margot shows this caution for T3 but not for IV"

1161: Her response is very good: "I was also less cautious because I thought IV was probably scum, whereas T3 is Town"

1192: is her big case on IV - she completely changes the tide of this game. Without this post I highly doubt IV gets eliminated on D1 and there's no way I think she does this to her own teammate.

enchant is conf town

I have fairly good reasons to townbin Margot and Datisi for how they interacted with IV on D1

Kyouko feels tonally like she is playing her town-game and she voted for IV on D1.

Chaos Omega has a good vote on IV, wanted to kill Datsi d1, also the general tone of his push on me just feels like he kind of believes that I'm actually maf

So my POE is just Datsi / Salsa at this point.

~.~

I think the scumteam has agreed to bus IV and Gamma got concerned that Margot was getting pressure, so they had Margot make that wall post condemning IV since he was essentially a dead man walking already.

I strongly disagree with this take

When Margot posts her "case" on IV at 1192

The VC prior to her dropping that case on him, the VC is

6 votes for T3 (e-1) - NM had just voted for T3 putting him at E-1 (moving his vote from IV to T3)
3 votes for IV

At this point IV himself had not yet voted for T3

He could easily hammer T3 at this point with survival as the excuse.

IV was definitely NOT a dead man walking.

Her case at 1192 made it 6-4 and then Roden unvoted T3 to make the danger of T3 getting elimmed disappear and signaled he would switch his vote to IV in the future which he later does.

[Aristeia]

do you have a point?

[ChaosOmega]

Yes, but I'm not trying to convince you that you're scum.

[Datisi]

chaos, if your point is "ari was townreading margot", i can easily point back at you, so like

[Salsabil Faria]

Hi, I'm here after a painful night...

I was also townreading

MR

btw...

Time for some iso-diving...

[Salsabil Faria]

Hi, I'm here after a painful night...

I was also townreading

MR

btw...

Time for some iso-diving...

EBWOP

[ChaosOmega]

chaos, if your point is "ari was townreading margot", i can easily point back at you, so like

I townread her, I didn't defend her like Ari did, especially in 1494/1543.

[Aristeia]

um...

why would I not defend my townreads?

[ChaosOmega]

um...

why would I not defend my townreads?

Why defend her? I don't ever remember her in danger of being limmed until she slipped.

VOTE: chaos

now that we know the scum were hard bussing

there is only one other person alive who was voting for IV

The choice of words here is very deliberate. Ari kept saying she was town for her push on iv, now she wants to pivot to scum hard bussed, and is only checking based off of votes and not behavior. Also, we don't know scum were both hard bussing, the only person who would is the last scum.

[Aristeia]

Why defend her? I don't ever remember her in danger of being limmed until she slipped.

?

1543 literally quotes the person who thinks she is scum...

[ChaosOmega]

Why defend her? I don't ever remember her in danger of being limmed until she slipped.

?

1543 literally quotes the person who thinks she is scum...

One person thinking you're scum != danger of being limmed.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Mewtaph

CO

voted

Mew

talked about them with

Datisi

and then was MIA.

my solve is currently datsi/NM/T3

dont @me

This post pinged me,specially the @ part.

Ok, my read list:

Town:

Roden (n0 inno)

Town lean:

Dwlee99:

Roden says n0 innocent, so let's go with that. I still don't have any clue what the hell was going on with you and page 3. I'm happy to drop it, given the inno, but post game would like to know what this was all about.

Datisi

Fuck, this Datisi/Datsi thing is screwing my brain. With the DPs as well, I’m getting some serious twins from season 2 of Korra vibes.

VOTE: 17 would be a galaxy brain early play by scum. I don't think scum comes out the gate swinging analysis that quickly. Then again, I don't as Town, so who knows. I don't have a sense of Datisi's meta, having not played with them before, so I'm going with gut here and saying they are Town.

Null:

Three people with ISOs that are too shallow to get a good read on

Not_Mafia

• Claimed Miller

Aristeia

• Not much to go off rn, but want so badly to put in my Town reads for username, which may or may not be an indirect reference to my fave Greek tragedy cycle

Innocent Villager

• Similarly empty ISO

Chaos:

Also had a mostly empty ISO, though I will say 18 is a weird early read in a way that Datisi's wasn't? Like, Datisi at least seemed to have posted reads early because they had hard reads to go off, whereas it feels like Chaos is either jumping at shadows on page 1. It comes across to me as a far scummier version of the former, but not enough to drop further down the reads list.

ssbm_Kyouko

Has come out swinging in about four different directions in very rapid succession. Unclear if trigger happy or

Nullscum:

T3:

Very hestitant with this one, so putting in a separate category lol. The Miller/Mason/Encrypter stuff is very strange, but also probably not out of T3's Town range. Just putting T3 here so it's on notice, and will come back to the slot later.

Scum lean:

Datsi:

Of the twins, Datsi seems the scummiest. Their posts are short, heavy hitters, and their reads are very shallow. Their densest post was 107, which only contributed an explanation of how a role modifier works. Otherwise, they have voted five times, for four different slots, within 19 hours. Their explanations are about as thin as they come 78 114 128 (all with no context, one literally just 'we gottem bois' which is almost immediately walked back).

Salsabil Faria:

A lot of ISO, particularly responses to Mewtaph’s pressure reads like nothing fluff. Mewtaph calls it stepping on his toes, but it seems less viscous than that. I guess if I had to put a word to it, it would be pufferfishing. Filling with air with nothing backing it up. Hard, because again, this doesn't seem out of line with their meta, so it's hard to say one way or another

Mewtaph

I haven't liked this slot's play since page 1, and it hasn't changed. 22 is yet another galaxy brain take, and 39 and 48 give me really bad vibes. In addition, they sheeped Dwlee's vote on innocentvillager 60, again with no context. The explanation, I'm sure, would be to apply pressure on a quiet slot, but I just don't get this playstyle. Is it just apply pressure haphazardly over and over and hope someone accidentally admits that they are scum?

The 1st read-list from

MR

.

Ari

,

CO

and

iv

were in the null group, me was in the scumlean group.

I like Kyouko, I think the confusion about the IC probably comes more from town than scum.

VOTE: Datsi

I have a weird feeling this flips scum here.

The

datsi

death tunnel from

Ari

had started.

@Aristeia - Could you go into some of these in some level of depth?

if you pull up gamma emerald(datsi)'s iso, he doesn't talk very much about NM, just a throwaway comment about not remembering NM claiming miller before

he has NM as dead null in his list.

I think this means they are mafia together.

Just realized, I never got the logic behind this reasoning when specially you know

N_M

's play style & people actually don't/can't interact with them....

@Ari

Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.

in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?

also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?

It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.

I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.

Placing a 2nd vote on someone on page 1 with the reason "Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined" does not apply "genuine pressure". Your last game I see, you were town and entered the game with a naked vote on a building wagon. That can actually build pressure. What you've done this game looks fake.

On an unrelated note Mewtaph, what do you think of Margot?

----

ssbm, what is your read on Mewtaph, and what are your thoughts on the iv wagon forming?

I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.

I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.

It's not ancient history, it was 10 pages ago. My problem with you is that I think you're lying and now waffling between pivoting to the utility of you making weird posts (it took us out of RVS, that's good, yay me) and still trying to justify your posting as good because it provided pressure and allowed your read on SF to be clearer. Please clarify what pressure you applied with your posting, and how this is different than pressure that I am referring to.

Oh, so it's a serious vote then. Alright.

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

I don't like ssbm_Kyouko's reasoning for their vote in their last post because trying to meta someone you haven't really played with doesn't really work. Or at least the meta read is going to be shallow as I know that it is wrong here. I know that you replaced into my scum slot but you haven't really engaged with me as players with me being scum and you being town so for you to call me on a scumtell is a little bit unsettling.

I don't understand Margot's scumread on me either. I wasn't exactly trying to do a galaxy brain play, just trying to move the game out of RVS. I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically. Is it because they come off as forced or something else entirely? I have no clue, just that they don't like my posts and that they don't like the AtE coming from my slot (which I don't really spot, but okay).

Of all the votes on me, ChaosOmega's vote makes the most sense to me and he has explained why he thinks my opening comes off poorly and I can see why. Overall though there's just not enough content in his ISO for me to feel comfortable giving him a solidified read. Similarly, Aristeia is in the same boat. Just not enough posts for me to feel comfortable giving a settled read on. Hopefully that changes by the end of the day.

Few things here:
- Why wouldn't you address Margot's read on you in her read list when I asked you about her in 271?
- How can you say here "I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically" when you said in 15/19 that you saw the possibility to receive votes for your post directed to Salsabil Faria?
- You criticize ssbm for using meta against you, but I also used meta against you in 271. Why push her and not me for it?

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I'm aware that I'm sort of tunneled here at this point, I don't have any other strong reads right now. I don't feel great about Dwlee, but it's more a vibe than anything, don't have a case to make (and also the last time I played with Dwlee they were town and I pushed them, so this might just be a bias I have against their posting style).

T3, has your read changed on Mewtaph since 118?

Then

CO

came out of being MIA and admitted that they were tunneling

Mew

but there were so many posts from everyone which they ignored to comment on except expressed suspicious on

Dwlee

.

VOTE: Mewtaph

VOTE: mewtaph

Datisi/Chaos aren't pared from this.

Upon re-read (and considering my reads were real trash in this game ), seems to be an important overlook from

T3

.

I am happy you are back T3!

VOTE: T3

we should kill T3 since he's scum claimed

i said he was scum because he wasn't enthusiastic and in response he decided to spampost a bunch of nonsense

also i still think gamma is probably mafia and maybe not with NM

I'm too lazy to figure out who #3 is can we just kill t3

I'm also ok with killing NM now that I think about it some more.

there is some chance he is mafia and if he is town it is ok since he usually scumsides anyway so it's not really a loss if we flip town NM

This series of post from scum!

Ari

is possible as if she started to decide which players to push and how but at the same time it’s kind of become hypocrisy from my side to scumread her as I also hard scumread

T3

+ agreeing with her case iirr. So I need

Enchant

's and

Datisi

's opinion here.

[Salsabil Faria]

Stopping at page 20 today (sorry for going slow, don't want to pressurize my eyes). If it’s not cleared what I'm doing here, I'm thinking both

Ari

and

CO

are scums and upon re-reading, will try to figure out who most likely to be scum (of course with the help from conftowns).

[Aristeia]

Why defend her? I don't ever remember her in danger of being limmed until she slipped.

?

1543 literally quotes the person who thinks she is scum...

One person thinking you're scum != danger of being limmed.

I thought Kyouko was a vig

[Datisi]

hm. it's interesting seeing salsa bring out the post where ari has a solve that is 0/3. and ari's acting towards margot does maybe remind of her acting towards rce in mbos, but this might be my own confbias.

anyway. on d4 i started reskimming the game because i remembered saying on d1 that i thought ari was a viable iv partner, and i wanted to see why, but then i started feeling ill and had to stop, and *then* margot started openwolfing so i never finished that >_>

getting to it tonight after uni, goddammit

[Salsabil Faria]

I would say the probability of Gamma being scum is higher than the probability of NM being scum since I can see Scum!Gamma treating Town!Nm like this also.

however I am ok with killing NM because NM!town has tilted me in the last few games we've played together and he is closer to his scum meta than his town meta

Very much disliked this post.

Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.

in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?

also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?

It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.

I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.

Placing a 2nd vote on someone on page 1 with the reason "Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined" does not apply "genuine pressure". Your last game I see, you were town and entered the game with a naked vote on a building wagon. That can actually build pressure. What you've done this game looks fake.

On an unrelated note Mewtaph, what do you think of Margot?

----

ssbm, what is your read on Mewtaph, and what are your thoughts on the iv wagon forming?

I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.

I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.

It's not ancient history, it was 10 pages ago. My problem with you is that I think you're lying and now waffling between pivoting to the utility of you making weird posts (it took us out of RVS, that's good, yay me) and still trying to justify your posting as good because it provided pressure and allowed your read on SF to be clearer. Please clarify what pressure you applied with your posting, and how this is different than pressure that I am referring to.

Oh, so it's a serious vote then. Alright.

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

I don't like ssbm_Kyouko's reasoning for their vote in their last post because trying to meta someone you haven't really played with doesn't really work. Or at least the meta read is going to be shallow as I know that it is wrong here. I know that you replaced into my scum slot but you haven't really engaged with me as players with me being scum and you being town so for you to call me on a scumtell is a little bit unsettling.

I don't understand Margot's scumread on me either. I wasn't exactly trying to do a galaxy brain play, just trying to move the game out of RVS. I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically. Is it because they come off as forced or something else entirely? I have no clue, just that they don't like my posts and that they don't like the AtE coming from my slot (which I don't really spot, but okay).

Of all the votes on me, ChaosOmega's vote makes the most sense to me and he has explained why he thinks my opening comes off poorly and I can see why. Overall though there's just not enough content in his ISO for me to feel comfortable giving him a solidified read. Similarly, Aristeia is in the same boat. Just not enough posts for me to feel comfortable giving a settled read on. Hopefully that changes by the end of the day.

Few things here:
- Why wouldn't you address Margot's read on you in her read list when I asked you about her in 271?
- How can you say here "I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically" when you said in 15/19 that you saw the possibility to receive votes for your post directed to Salsabil Faria?
- You criticize ssbm for using meta against you, but I also used meta against you in 271. Why push her and not me for it?

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I'm aware that I'm sort of tunneled here at this point, I don't have any other strong reads right now. I don't feel great about Dwlee, but it's more a vibe than anything, don't have a case to make (and also the last time I played with Dwlee they were town and I pushed them, so this might just be a bias I have against their posting style).

T3, has your read changed on Mewtaph since 118?

CO

, you sounds different which I can't talk about rn but if I'm right then you and

Mew

aren’t TvT, SvS also seems unlikely.

I can express the reason now, the last game of mine with town!

CO

, they were more active and was a PR. In D1, they seemed larking for some reason.

Updates from page 13 to bottom of page 17 (These take me a while, and I have a meeting to get to in half an hour, so can’t finish. Apologies)

Kyo:

382 makes me like her better. A lot of the justifications comning out of this aren’t necessarily justifications I buy, but the post comes across as Townier than other slots. The Mewtaph meta stuff is very interesting. Feel like the Datsi stuff might be correlating for the sake of correlating though.

Aristeia:

I like this slot a little less. 383 is a wild reason to FoS datsi. Don’t know what to make of it; I don’t like Datsi either, but reading NM and Datsi as scum because NM was read as null, with his posting 2 (3 at a stretch) genuine content posts before this one, seems very strange.

In the case of both of the above, I don't think it would change anything necessarily. They are both Null still, but these are just things that I'm keeping an eye on.

As I've explained previously, Dwlee is now in my sum reads. But, to bring it home;

InnocentVillager:

I haaaaaate everything from 395 to 416. Me aside, the fact that Salsa and Datisi are the only other scum reads, despite everything in the preceding pages, blows my mind. Mind is further blown by the Town reads on Dwlee, mewtaph and gamma, all of whom, at least up until this point, have been scummy as shit. It reads so much like scum jumping in with no idea of the game state and throwing reads around based on the first few pages.

May switch vote after reqarding the rest of the thread and working out where the votes are atm

In this read-list,

MR

expressed

less likeness

about

Ari

and strongly scumread on

iv

. My question is, if it was needed to put both scum-partners in the spot light? Or scum!

Ari

's

N_M

/

datsi

theory was already getting suspicion, so

MR

was needed to do that??

VOTE: T3
The stuff you’re saying about him makes sense though

Don't know your and

Datisi

's history with

Aris

but the spoilers and the private interaction in between is making me paranoid

Is there any pocketing attempt going on somehow?

@Ari

, despite having solid crush on

Datisi

, how likely scum!you can/want to pocket him?

you are so silly datisi

if you want me to vote iv you need but ask

VOTE: iv

i would do anything for you

*PARANOIA*

if you want me to vote iv you need but ask

i don't *want* you to vote iv, i want to see what you say about him without my direct prompting, and it seemed like that answer was "nothing"

did you have no thoughts on him prior to his posting on the last page?

IV hasn't really done anything in the game and I've never played with him before so why would I have thoughts on him?

Scum!

Ari

dodged the question with vague answer?

To be clear, I'm not frustrated that people are FoS'ing me. I'm frustrated that people seem so resistant to getting a player up against a wall d1

this feels townie to me

welcome to the site Margot!

: )

Usually scum try to distance from each other but

MR

was getting suspicions for putting

iv

at E-1 that moment, so scum!

Ari

was defending her partner here which can be a
bold move imo.

@Datisi

, is

Ari

bold as scum?

the IC really is wasted on Roden

VOTE: t3

Iirr,

CO

was scumreading her on D3 because of this vote switch.

the IC really is wasted on Roden

VOTE: t3

Why? -_-

You only show up to post when someone mentions your name and then you spam a bunch of nonsense, it feels like you're following along/reading but only contributing when you feel threatened and your contributions don't even make sense.

@Ari

, did you play with

T3

before?

I feel like she raises valuable point against T3 and wanted to see how she responded to me voting there
ngl, not exactly a fan of what I saw

what do you mean?

I voted your leading suspect because I liked the logic, you should show some enthusiasm that your suspect is getting traction and that maybe you’re enticing scum to bus
Instead you developed cold feet on T3 entirely in favor of pushing IV for

taking Datisi’s attention

This post has point...

everyone else

nm is like 95% town for the miller claim because nm knows how to play mafia but doesn't care enough to fakeclaim miller as scum.

ari, chaos no idea

margot kind of blends into the background aside from that crazy E1? it feels weird that she feels obligated to update her reads list so much but that's probably just a playstyle thing. or a self conscious newb scum ha. regardless im sure ill get a better sense of this slot after voteparking her

i would attempt a dumb early solve but it's literally too dumb and too early so ill just wait until i get in the game a little more before utterly embarrassing myself (not that it's going to increase my read accuracy much anyway probs, lol)

On their 1st read-list,

iv

had nothing on

Ari

,

CO

and strongly scumread

MR

at that point.

I voted your leading suspect because I liked the logic, you should show some enthusiasm that your suspect is getting traction and that maybe you’re enticing scum to bus
Instead you developed cold feet on T3 entirely in favor of pushing IV for taking Datisi’s attention

?

I didn't develop cold feet on T3

I still want to kill T3,

I like sheeping Datisi when he expresses confidence.

It is fun and besides it's more likely things happen when there is actual pressure rather than just you and I voting T3.

Meh..

i mean it could just be IV/T3/Datsi

Switching the gear? From scum!

Ari

's perspective could be cause some started to get suspicious about

iv

's AtE at that point and some had opposite thoughts, so a good time for hard buss??

[Salsabil Faria]

That's all for today (from page 21 to 30), will do more tomorrow hopefully. Want to mention that

CO]/b] was MIA again at that moment.

I know I'm doing wall posting which tough to follow but I'll be glad if you guys put your thoughts on my observations and answers my questions (the @ ones).

[ChaosOmega]

the IC really is wasted on Roden

VOTE: t3

Iirr,

CO

was scumreading her on D3 because of this vote switch.

To clarify, it was her vote on 1117 I was more critical of, not this one.

[Salsabil Faria]

hm. it's interesting seeing salsa bring out the post where ari has a solve that is 0/3.

What do you mean?

[Aristeia]

I see the mood in the room is quite against me and noone is on my side

that's fine, I have made many mistakes and probably deserve it

I have a small request.

I would like the dignity of self-hammering if it is decided that I should be eliminated today

I have some things to say at the end and regret I can't be of more aid to you.

[Datisi]

hm. it's interesting seeing salsa bring out the post where ari has a solve that is 0/3.

What do you mean?

it means her d1 solve of datsi/t3/nm was all town

also guess what i am way too tired to do anything here tonight

tomorrow for sure

>_>

[Salsabil Faria]

In page 31 and 32,

Ari

was going against

datsi

and

T3

while voting

T3

+ thinking

iv

is

datsi

's partner.

In page 32,

CO

came back and unvoted

Mew

by saying they're liking the slot but didn’t have thoughts on others.

In that very page,

iv

was going against

MR

and

MR

was going against

iv

but expressed her disagreement in

T3

wagon.

Currently my readlist is like this:

Sweeter than the first Dewdrops of the Morning:

Datisi

Foamy Ocean Waves upon the Sand:

Dwlee, Salsa, Kyouko

A Forest Blooming in the Springtime:

Margot, Mewtaph

The taste of ash in the air after a Great Fire:

Datsi, Not_Mafia, ChaosOmega

Fire and Blood:

T3, IV

1st read-list from

Ari

where

iv

was in scum list and

Mew

was in town list.

I don't have a lot of experience playing with IV so I am kind of relying on your experience here, however I don't think he's posted anything that makes me think he is trying to be active in advancing the game state - it's mostly "how dare you vote me" AtE which is very bleh to me.

Also I found it weird that his emotional reaction feels very controlled, he seems to be only getting upset at certain people voting for him.

Starting of

Ari

's catching

scum AtE

from

iv

.

In page 34,

Ari

vs

iv

was happening; no sign of

CO

again. In the meantime,

Roden

vs

Mew

was happening,

MR

came and said she still think

iv

and

Mew

are scums.

In page 37,

Dwlee

expressed their reason for voting

Ari

. These posts caught my eye:

Lying about meta to townread someone you know is town is something scum 100% do (I think t3 has done this before)

datsi
T3
ChaosOmega
innocentvillager

my list is shorter than dwlee's so i'm automatically better than him *happy*

Also there was no progression moving away from thinking NM is closer to scum meta

is she telling lies there? because if not, i don't feel like prying about a potential alt is gonna net you any good

good catch on n_m though, @aristeia?

I realized it doesn't actually mean much for NM's alignment for Gamma to treat him that way, it says more about Gamma's alignment than NM's - I find the arguments made that NM is miller because he wouldn't claim miller as scum make some sense.

Ari

's reply which is actually not bad tbh.

im willing to kill nm because im kind of annoyed at him gamethrowing last time we were t/t

he quickhammered my lover pair and then self hammered himself the next day to end the game for a scum win.

if he is town he might as well be playing for the other side

Then this post... I'm not actually quite sure how to feel about it yet...

VOTE: datsi

I've re-read, but I still don't have a great bearing on things. Top scumreads are datsi, Dwlee, and iv. datsi's progression on Margot (from 203 to 267 to 269) reads weird, like you want to keep on Datisi's good side but didn't actually change the read at all. 289 also has a weird vibe, really just the "I am loathe to use it as the primary evidence for a push" part. The tone is weirdly cautious, and given the light push (492) and then defending the slot (711/714) later, it reads partner-y. The sequence 508/616/630/690/698, datsi drops the thread and doesn't mention Ari again, it doesn't read like datsi is trying to solve Ari's slot.

Dwlee, 66 gives them a reason not to be NK'd, a claim wasn't necessary there as part of the reaction test. It's already been commented on, but the early buddying with Datisi reads odd. It's so over the top to the point that it doesn't read as trying to pocket, but still odd. Speaking of lame reaction tests, they spend multiple posts on multiple people asking for opinions on Roden. Obviously a joke, but it's made in a way to look vaguely productive like they're doing a reaction test. 287 gives similar vibes to datsi's 269 earlier. If you think it makes him likelier to be scum, then push him and get something out of him, the hand-wringing here is weird.

Getting ready to eat dinner, will follow up on this later with iv.

CO

arrived with some reads:

Dwlee

,

datsi

and

iv

were scums to his that point and voted

datsi

.

In page 39,

Ari

vs

iv

started again, then

Roden

joined.

Hi, I'm alive but hospitalized. I can play this game but not as much actively I normally play atm, sorry for that.

I read the game and think at least one scum is in this FoS list (in no particular order) of mine:

N_M
Mew
T3
CO
iv

N_M

's millar claim can be come from scum!him despite of not claiming millar before which I can't talk about rn.

The town!

CO

I saw is not similar here which I also can't talk about yet.

But I'll not touch them yet as I need to discuss about it which I can't atm.

Now I can disclose it: they both were on

Lemon Demon

.

CO

was a town pr and more active; scum!Titus claimed millar in D1 and win the game as conftown, so I thought scum!

N_M

can use this tactic.

[Salsabil Faria]

Done up to page 40, will be back later.

[Salsabil Faria]

I see the mood in the room is quite against me and noone is on my side

that's fine, I have made many mistakes and probably deserve it

I have a small request.

I would like the dignity of self-hammering if it is decided that I should be eliminated today

I have some things to say at the end and regret I can't be of more aid to you.

FWIW, I have started re-reading from page 1. You were more active then

CO

on D1, so your posts are getting quoted more. As I'm considering both you and

CO

scums atm, expressing my thoughts according to it.

I'm gonna shut my mouth for the

self vote

matter, I'm not the right person to tell anything at this matter. Others can give you the good advice.

I've some questions in my wall posts for you, can you address those? If you answered already then just mention the post number kindly.

[Aristeia]

I didn't see your questions, could you please repeat them?