Mini Normal 2245: LJITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 4.02

with 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 4 ends in (expired on 2021-11-11 21:30:00).

yeet

Gamma Emerald [1]:

ChaosOmega

T3 [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [5]:

Gamma Emerald, T3, redtea, StrangeMatter, AliceK

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[Dwlee99]

Is there more to your case than associatives

[ChaosOmega]

Should I not be using associatives after a player flips scum? And yes, there are some points in there that are not strictly associative.

[Dwlee99]

You can I'm just skeptical of it as a case especially compared to t3 who has terrible associatives and has done zero efforting solving

And your case comes as a counterwagon to t3

[Dwlee99]

Like fmpov it looks like you're counterwagoning the t3 wagon for associative reasoning that applies even worse to t3, and who is scummier in general

And so what's your read on t3 here

[ChaosOmega]

T3 is my other top scumread, but I feel more strongly about Gamma. I think it's unlikely T3 and Gamma are partners. I would support a wagon on T3 as well, let me go through my notes for him.

[Dwlee99]

What makes you think they're unpartnered?

[ChaosOmega]

T3 notes:

• - 55 is bad, T3 should know that can be faked as scum, and mentions it later (and does it later, in 330). Lazy reason to townread a confirmed scum. 108 also falls into this category.
  - 368 reads bad, it's like the most blatant example of giving a townread to someone who scumreads you to try and placate them.
  - Not a fan of the readlist in 515, but I can't really explain why, just doesn't do it for me.
  - This is super pedantic, but the jump on to toxic in 801 reads like he knows toxic is town with the "though" at the end.
  - Not sure how to read Jolyne's vote of T3 in 927. It doesn't really feel like distancing, but I don't have a confident opinion on that.
  - And then T3 gives out a lazy townread to Jolyne after they vote him. So now T3's done this to confirmed town and scum. I hate trying to read T3.
  - 1125/1184 reads not great, could be cover to jump on the toxic lim while not agreeing with it.
  - He bought Jolyne's fake claim very early on in 1386, but he wasn't alone in that. The defending of Jolyne D3 in 1424/1467/1490 is worse though.

[ChaosOmega]

What makes you think they're unpartnered?

I actually take this back, lol. They both have some lame early distancing with each other and then don't really interact with each other. Gamma votes T3 in 1135 to make the wagons even D1, and then immediately jumps back to toxic in 1157. I think my thought with them being unpartnered was the T3 vote, but it didn't click on a first read-through how quick the move back to toxic was.

[redtea]

Is there more to your case than associatives

Should I not be using associatives after a player flips scum? And yes, there are some points in there that are not strictly associative.

this is an oof response

[T3]

i'm liking chaos's catchup

[StrangeMatter]

What makes you think they're unpartnered?

I actually take this back, lol. They both have some lame early distancing with each other and then don't really interact with each other. Gamma votes T3 in 1135 to make the wagons even D1, and then immediately jumps back to toxic in 1157. I think my thought with them being unpartnered was the T3 vote, but it didn't click on a first read-through how quick the move back to toxic was.

Ehhhh I don't agree with that. 100% of the time scum will have red herrings when it comes to trying to find their partners due to association. I think it's basic scum knowledge to have those always, especially if they do get flipped. So I think that of {Gamma, T3} that the other is probably a red herring when it comes to association.

[Datisi]

prodding Gamma Emerald.

[Dwlee99]

Is there more to your case than associatives

Should I not be using associatives after a player flips scum? And yes, there are some points in there that are not strictly associative.

this is an oof response

What does this mean

[Gamma Emerald]

i am no thoughts head empty rn

[Dwlee99]

Hi gamma

If you vote t3 I'll consider not killing you tomorrow gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: t3
eh

[Dwlee99]

Nice

[T3]

2 scum alive, 7 players
i'm town

[AliceK]

Hmm, ok let's elim T3. If somehow he is not scum just go for Gamma, Dwlee. I still think fancy busing took place.
VOTE: T3

[Dwlee99]

One more to eliminate t3 let's gooooo

Do you wanna claim something t3

[AliceK]

One more to eliminate t3 let's gooooo

Do you wanna claim something t3

Right... Probably there is a one more PR, so looks like Dwlee is legit. Unless someone didn't claim when asked.

[T3]

One more to eliminate t3 let's gooooo

Do you wanna claim something t3

vt

[redtea]

I came to finally iso gamma but I would like answers
VOTE: t3

[redtea]

and Alice and Dwlee being on t3 is a good sign I should add