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[geraintm]

7 pages already!

This game is going to be too much.





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[geraintm]

VOTE: dwlee

[geraintm]

I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

Hard claim

Hard claim 2

I am already VOTE: dwlee

if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game

[geraintm]

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

if they did, i didn't get it in the 16 pages of catching up because i am lazy

[geraintm]

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

if they did, i didn't get it in the 16 pages of catching up because i am lazy

You really believed that claim?

why would i doubt it with them going hard claim twice?

[geraintm]

Just think a bit why the scum Gera need to write this? If he reads the game, he knows what ppl think about the claim and Wiki. If he reads badly, it doesnt mean he is a scum. He confessed he doesnt read much. So either he is suicidal mafia, or he can be anyone. These principles can be townie. Not 100% of course

i barely read the game.
my 2nd post had like...7 pages between it and my first and then my 3rd post had 9 more pages.
as i consider Day 1 useless, and this game i know people will be especially useless Day 1....i aint going to pay too much attention. but if i see someone hard claim something i am just going to accept it.

[geraintm]

If traitor game then Gera > salsa > a50 has a decent chance of winning imo

this post is like....825 times wrong

[geraintm]

If traitor game then Gera > salsa > a50 has a decent chance of winning imo

this post is like....825 times wrong

is this geraintm having... thoughts? on day 1?

i dont think so. i wouldnt read too much into it.... it wont happen again

[geraintm]

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

Oops!

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Wiki

odd how no one jumped on you for the same vote as me....

[geraintm]

OK, breathe. Now tell me: What's the colour of your Role in your Role PM?

are you allowed to ask that sort of question? i thought all player - mod related correspondence was off limits?

[geraintm]

is she more likely to show such antagonistic behaviour when she's scum, or is this some sorta weird policy vote?

it's more policy, though yes I kinda feel like the antagonism is in a way a scumtell

GE

,

Dwlee

,

T3

,

Datisi

: one scum is here (feeling it), won't be surprised if 2...

posts like this, throwing out there is scum in a group of 4 players, is useless.

1 naughty point for you

[geraintm]

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

Oops!

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Wiki

odd how no one jumped on you for the same vote as me....

Cause I asked for a D1 pass

is that how it works? can i ask for one too? and day 2, 3 and 4?

[geraintm]

249? So what?

no idea what this means

[geraintm]

249? So what?

Actually I didn't realize the post number was after, sorry about that.
But you seem independently scummy, my vote stays.

No please no im innocent please

takes a long drag

No one is innocent here, its Mafiatown

[geraintm]

viewtopic.php?p=12952165#p12952165

Here is the previous description of meta I have offered on geraintm. They got progressively more aggressive as the game went on.

And DW was in that game too. I would also ask there.

yep, seems a fair read on me

[geraintm]

daycop isn't a normal role, pretty sure someone has said that already
VOTE: geraintm

Oops!

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Wiki

odd how no one jumped on you for the same vote as me....

could it be because salsa's vote was a random vote with no reasoning while your vote was framed in a way that would very much allow you to keep pushing people for very lhf reasons? odd indeed.

Sup babes!
I can do

Dwlee

for no reason (don't catch up yet).

VOTE: Dwlee

I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

Hard claim

Hard claim 2

I am already VOTE: dwlee

if wiki retracts this claim at all, will vote for them untill they are gone from the game

Oh,

Dwlee

already have guilty on their back, lovely

sorry if i misread their posts here, but it didnt feel random to me with their back to back posts

[geraintm]

579 is vaguely kind of townie for geraintm? maybe? should i be townleaning a player for giving thoughts on day 1 after repeatedly saying they hate day 1? andres help pls

my post 579 is no different to other games ive played where i've kept a track of bad posts on day 1. i think in the past ive used it to try and give me pointers on where to look day 2.
though i have almost always been wrong, so maybe i should be using them to look elsehwere?

[geraintm]

The answer on geraintm is that they can and they have. I could try and find specific examples but yeah they’re not totally devoid of content D1. They just don’t lean heavily any which way. But they also know this is what people know of them so it would be absolutely out of character for them to come out aggressive against someone D1 as either alignment.

i'd have to be some kind of day 1 day cop and get a guilty on someone and then hard claim (twice) for me to be aggresive on day 1

[geraintm]

579 is vaguely kind of townie for geraintm? maybe? should i be townleaning a player for giving thoughts on day 1 after repeatedly saying they hate day 1? andres help pls

my post 579 is no different to other games ive played where i've kept a track of bad posts on day 1. i think in the past ive used it to try and give me pointers on where to look day 2.
though i have almost always been wrong, so maybe i should be using them to look elsehwere?

You're wrong on me again.

Btw, I also have

gera

meta, played once with them. They were inactive throughout that game because of rl work. Meanwhile they appeared as ic and tunneled me from D1.

if that is the game i am thinking of, the ending for me was embarrassing

[geraintm]

sorry if i misread their posts here, but it didnt feel random to me with their back to back posts

i decided to believe her post saying the vote was random (since even if she's scum, i don't see much scum motivation for lying about it, as she would have to either unvote or find actual reasoning for the vote)

while your vote was framed as purely for the guilty and (more importantly) it was already saying that you would votepark wiki if they retracted. it felt tmi, like scum who saw a townie fakeguilting another townie and decided to use that as an ez place for the d1 vote.

well, if you make the assumption that i was assuming it was a real claim,then parking the vote there makes sense, right?

[geraintm]

7 pages already!

This game is going to be too much.





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VOTE: dwlee

Scum entrance

I'm just going to laugh at this.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Because it is so funny.

153+7 =

Also can people please respect my signature, thanks

[geraintm]

it wasn't funny. i was faking

[geraintm]

ime reading gera is like "if his posts frustrate me to no end but i get The Feeling that he's being genuine, then he's town"

granted i don't have too much scum!gera experience, i once backup modded a game where he was scum and i *think* he was like, a bit more wooden and awkward there

i think i am so obvious as scum, i just never roll it

[geraintm]

or you are just a noob

I have over a hundred games on this site alone dude

this sounds very bad for you lol

Says the “professional mafia player” claiming a daycop guilty in a normal
PUH-LEASE

im too lazy to check wiki here, im usually dont play here, so
my claim was mostly for fun like rvs

I didn't think it was for fun.

[geraintm]

i dont have much to add today.

except i cant stand wiki's style of posting. it feels like they want to get into an argument with everyone, always asking questions, but it feels like their response is to always just ask more questions.

[geraintm]

@wiki
You are happy with your vote on me because

A) I say I find day 1 useless, like I do in every game
B) someone calls me scum and I object
C) I say I don't like your posting style

That's your case on me?

[geraintm]

@wiki
You are happy with your vote on me because

A) I say I find day 1 useless, like I do in every game
B) someone calls me scum and I object
C) I say I don't like your posting style

That's your case on me?

Everything. Become useful or die

I have zero use day 1. No one does. I'd push for no elim but no one ever likes it when I say things like that

[geraintm]

But your (strong) case for voting me is I'm not useful enough?
Thats yours case?

[geraintm]

it's kinda troubling me that so few slots are trying to engage with me directly

i'd think that anyone in andres-GE-gera-A50 have the experience with me to be able and sort me through that. Maybe not gera but still

but who am i to talk right, i've not gotten around to that either

I ain't sorting anyone today

[geraintm]

Ok 1 day, i will be VERY busy on monday, the whole monday

Gera, explain your "825 times wrong" if you still think like that about that post

If I recall correctly, that post said I was scum or a traitor or something, and I was hyperbolically trying to suggest that was wrong

[geraintm]

Ok 1 day, i will be VERY busy on monday, the whole monday

Gera, explain your "825 times wrong" if you still think like that about that post

If I recall correctly, that post said I was scum or a traitor or something, and I was hyperbolically trying to suggest that was wrong

Hmmmm
So why it was wrong 825 times, not only 1 time?
I think that u was talking not only about a mistake in your color. Am I wrong?

i have no idea what you mean

[geraintm]

No offense to them (geraintm

none taken.

[geraintm]

What are geraintm's reads?

i have strong opinion that anyone is more likely to be scum than anyone else.

[geraintm]

He said he doesnt think i have an important role.
I didnt like it, started scumreading him.
He replaced.
It doesnt look good from towns perspective.

Gera's answer about 825 is just bad.

would my post have been acceptable if i hadnt used the number 825?
i cant work you out, your case against me seems to be made up of some sort of accumalation of microtrangressions on you can see

[geraintm]

Like I said, I didn't really like that vote on gera cuz it felt a bit...too easy, I guess. Like yes, his answer that they are parking the vote there after a pretty obvious fake claim was weird but didn't seem to consider what would be the motivation for maf!gera there to say that in that context.

i'm pretty sure i spoke about this already? like, i know gera is absolutely not going to do shit on day one. and he's going to get shit for it, and he knows it too. the way i generally read him is that if what he's saying makes my eyes roll, he's town. that... didn't, it just made it seem like he found *Something* he can latch onto for day 1 to make sure that townies don't latch onto him as "not solving, not doing anything" etc.

what did i say that made you think i wasnt town. by expressing something beyond null on day 1? was it when i gave someone a Naughty Point?

[geraintm]

i mean, my read on gera is 2/2 so far and also not like i have much to work with on day 1

i am of the opinion that the games i roll scum i am awful and if people leave me alone i will screw it up for scum.
i think i am very easy to read, but htat is just me

[geraintm]

This entire game is about asking meaningless questions to random strangers and forming half-assed opinions. I've also JUST ENTERED IT, lol, why so uptight?

agree. when i read through 3 or 4 pages at a time, half the posts seem to be the same people asking each other "Why do you think this other player is scum/town?"

[geraintm]

what did i say that made you think i wasnt town.

the reason i voted you, the comment about voteparking wiki >_>

Ah, ok.

But if someone hard claims twice then anyone would say “if they back track from that they deserve to be punished “ right.

You all just seemed to know he was faking. I didnt

[geraintm]

Vote gera
Vote gera
Vote gera
99% of his posts are his defending himself, all the game.
He pretends he doesnt know normal roles and believed in a fakeclaim.
We found 1 mafia for sure.
Dont use shitty meta of a player who is doing nothing, this "meta" is garbage, throw it away from your heads and play normally

I go sleeping

Yep, all my posts are defending myself because I have almost no interest in looking over what others are doing.

What else am I meant to do?

[geraintm]

99% of his posts are his defending himself, all the game.

In 9 situations of 10 it is typical mafia behaviour.

Only selfdefending and complaints, selfdefending and complaints, and pretending a newbie

2006.

And he messed up with his post about 857 times wrong and trying to explain that thought like there was only 1 thing that was wrong for him lol. I think he knew roles in that qoute, thats why he said (not only about himself).

I have never said I was a newbie.
I have always said I am bad at this game.
You have me down as not knowing roles, well, I don't. I think this is the first game I've ever played with 4 scum before, new roles happen to me all the time. I had a day 1 innocent child recently, never had that before.
I play 1 game at a time and believe me I see new things all the time, why I like the game so much

I don't know what you mean about knowing roles? Someone called me scum, and the leading person to be scum, and I said bollocks.

[geraintm]

Gera is 100% scum.

They’re not 100% anything like stop with the garbage takes. When people make arguments based on meta to defend geraintm here, it’s not what you’re understanding at all. The argument isn’t geraintm is Town because they’re doing nothing D1. It’s geraintm has done this exact same thing as Town in the past, so it isn’t alignment indicative in the way you’re making it out to be. There’s a massive difference there. I don’t claim to know for sure what geraintm’s alignment is here. What I am arguing though is that geraintm has the capacity to town tell in future days, and there’s too much risk in pushing there right now given the structure of the game. geraintm isn’t getting a permanent pass from me. I just think there’s better slots to push.

^^ this

in no game i am in does anyone need to worry about me day 1. i will be solveable as the game goes on.

[geraintm]

i am weirded out now, wiki just trying to bludgen me to death, when i know me alignment. i have no idea what this means for the future.

has anyone played with Wiki before (as whatever other account they use) - is this total focussing normal for them?

[geraintm]

Wiki's pressure on gera make me wanna defend gera, but he's null.

defend me, will look good when i flip green

[geraintm]

Check Gamma/Datisi/Andre

not me? or have you solved me already?

[geraintm]

like i think i've won most of my recent scumgames? (by recent i mean 3 months lol)

either way you're voting me for disagreeing with you but you aren't pausing to actually invalidate my reasoning

You’re almost making an argument as to why we should execute you..

bad post. this is one of those "i didnt want to eliminate you, you made me do it,oh whoops you are green" type of posts

1 naughty point for Andres

[geraintm]

if dorsey is town, i will destroy these slots

the funny part is that i think you genuinely believe you have that power

agree, i've binned wiki into a category that is really, really hard for him to get out of and it ain't a good place to be if they want to have influence the rest of the game

[geraintm]

Dorsey, gera, vote a50. He wanted to elim you both

you wanted to eliminate me - should i vote you?

[geraintm]

Also, if you want me to play the game you should take me a bit more seriously. Like, I'm doing the Slayer's gambit thing in it's most explicit version, and Scum are falling for it. You are TOWN and so is Salsa, and I will never call either of you scum in this game (I may call you stupid though, so be forewarned)

had to look up what slayer's gambit was. the wiki said it can be confused with just bad play...

[geraintm]

i do wish you'd respond to my question on why you consider me town, though.

Your 1800 doesn't come from Scum EVER. I am doing everything I can to absolve Scum!you from the responsibility of my flip, and you're not even the one pushing it, but you're still defending me and calling me NULL (instead of "maybe scum, but I'm not sure").

OK.. let's call it a TOME thing. I am not at all good at explaining my cases either way (Scum cases or Town cases). It is NOT "gut" or "tone" per se, but if I can't put it into words might as well just call it gut/tone and be done with it

I decoded Salsa was also Town based on her post next to yours, if you're interested. I am

confident

enough in both reads I'd be counterclaiming any investigator who claims a guilty on either of you.

it is posts like this where i realise most of you are playing different games to me and i shall forever be playing twister whilst you all play chess

[geraintm]

Dorsey, gera, vote a50. He wanted to elim you both

you wanted to eliminate me - should i vote you?

Nope, im pr. Nobody should vote me.

i forgot, you claimed early doors....

[geraintm]

VOTE: salsa
i feel pressured into this

[geraintm]

You sent from one vanity wagon to the next - switch to a bigger wagon

no.

[geraintm]

wiki is trying to help power roles by openly discussing their target... including a hypothetical town roleblocker, who scum can extremely easily avoid if the roleblocker takes the advice. brilliant.

i need to know the name of the gambit that wiki is running

[geraintm]

your level of confidence is too damn high and unnatural

Their entire play today I have found unhelpful. No one should be spouting so many opinions at such high levels of confidence and berating everyone for not agreeing and directing how town should play.
If they are town, then the consequences of them being wrong would be disastrous. If they are scum, the same.

So I have tried to ignore them as best I can.
I am assuming they are just weird town, straight up.scum I don't think would play like this

[geraintm]

your level of confidence is too damn high and unnatural

one of the simpliest way to play this game - is to find 1-2 townies and TO WORK TOGETHER, or just to sheep them

You know that scum might pretend to be town?

[geraintm]

your level of confidence is too damn high and unnatural

one of the simpliest way to play this game - is to find 1-2 townies and TO WORK TOGETHER, or just to sheep them

worst case Wiki is town and we take away the biggest threat to town cohesion

I can see thud logic but ain't voting wiki

[geraintm]

your level of confidence is too damn high and unnatural

one of the simpliest way to play this game - is to find 1-2 townies and TO WORK TOGETHER, or just to sheep them

worst case Wiki is town and we take away the biggest threat to town cohesion

your level of confidence is too damn high and unnatural

Their entire play today I have found unhelpful. No one should be spouting so many opinions at such high levels of confidence and berating everyone for not agreeing and directing how town should play.
If they are town, then the consequences of them being wrong would be disastrous. If they are scum, the same.

So I have tried to ignore them as best I can.
I am assuming they are just weird town, straight up.scum I don't think would play like this

you didnt understand that ico in this quote understood my quote not right. i explained it to her after that. read.

I was just quoting them, I read it as their opinion that you are running around at 100% all the time. I cannot handle that much truth....

[geraintm]

[*]Geraintm - Is dead
.

No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'!

[geraintm]

Three (6) - Datisi, T3, Andresvmb, Salsabil Faria, Dwlee99, Wiki
Wiki (3) - Almost50, Iconeum, Three
Datisi (2) - Dorsey, Looker
Salsabil Faria (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Selynee

Interesting thing, hust think about it:

Is all team mafia voting Three and asking(begging) townies to elim Three? Does anybody believe in that?
I dont think so. And I think nobody believes in that.
Then look...
In that case who is a scum partner voting someone else who cannot hammer Three?
A50?
Ico?
Dorsey? Definitely not, he is with Three against Datisi.
Looker? No? Is he with Three against Datisi?
Gera?
Sely? No, it is stupid to unvote, she could act like she is offline not to unvote, there is no reason to unvote for her so fast.

Nothing prevents A50,ico and gera to vote Three.
What is the problem for A50,Ico,Gera to vote Three, if smb of them is scum? There are no problems. People ask them to do it, this is not risky for them at all.
So there are no mafia scums among them for Three, if Three is green.

So everybody of A50,Ico,Dorsey,Looker,Gera,Sely has only TWO options:
1. To be a townie
2. To be a mafia with scum!Three

There is no option that smb of them is mafia, if Three is green.

Do you understand this?

This is why your 700 posts have just turned to white noise. I don't have to vote three as town. Three might also be town. Shouting things like this with 100% certainty just mean you cannot push your agenda. Your style of play is a huge turn off

[geraintm]

Three (6) - Datisi, T3, Andresvmb, Salsabil Faria, Dwlee99, Wiki
Wiki (3) - Almost50, Iconeum, Three
Datisi (2) - Dorsey, Looker
Salsabil Faria (1) - geraintm

Not Voting (1) - Selynee

Interesting thing, hust think about it:

Is all team mafia voting Three and asking(begging) townies to elim Three? Does anybody believe in that?
I dont think so. And I think nobody believes in that.
Then look...
In that case who is a scum partner voting someone else who cannot hammer Three?
A50?
Ico?
Dorsey? Definitely not, he is with Three against Datisi.
Looker? No? Is he with Three against Datisi?
Gera?
Sely? No, it is stupid to unvote, she could act like she is offline not to unvote, there is no reason to unvote for her so fast.

Nothing prevents A50,ico and gera to vote Three.
What is the problem for A50,Ico,Gera to vote Three, if smb of them is scum? There are no problems. People ask them to do it, this is not risky for them at all.
So there are no mafia scums among them for Three, if Three is green.

So everybody of A50,Ico,Dorsey,Looker,Gera,Sely has only TWO options:
1. To be a townie
2. To be a mafia with scum!Three

There is no option that smb of them is mafia, if Three is green.

Do you understand this?

Of 3 is scum, they will be easily solvable this game. With 4 scum town should have plenty of roles to work them out sooner or later.

[geraintm]

Quickly going to post, I ain't voting wiki today

[geraintm]

So, right now there are 3 (or 4) votes on wiki who i am making the assumption is town.

People who voted for Wiki were
Datisi
Enchant - but then unvoted
dwlee99
almost50 <- this one looks the most opportunistic, didn't mention wiki voting for wiki straight off, but came in straight after dwlee99

VOTE: WikiVOTE:
Y'all please

Idec if this is town, he needs death now

that was dwlee's vote. being honest, game would have been a lot simpler with wiki having being snapped early in day 1, but we are where we are.

datisi - comes in blazing for wiki today.

enchant - i am, for their unvote, leaning town on them.


so, the elimination of Three yesterday was

Three (7) - Datisi, T3,

Andresvmb

, Salsabil Faria, Dwlee99,

Wiki

, Enchant (Selynee)

Leaving

Datisi <- currently voting wiki
T3 ,- has come out on DAy 2 saying wiki leans town. another who could have piled onto Wiki. give them a town lean.
Salsabil <- Currently voting Datisi. feels like they could have easily voted wiki on Day 2. give them a town lean
Dwlee99 <- currently voting wiki
Enchant <- voted, then unvoted

GOing to look at Datisi and Dwlee99's votes from yesterday and their position on wagons

Datisi went

Wiki
Enchant
Me
three
Dorsey
three
end of day

Dwlee went

Datisi
wiki
me
Salsabil
dorsey
not voting
three
end of day

So, i've got no evidence that these 2 are scum, but i am leaning that they both are more than most other players.

i currently have in my town lean pile
Wiki, enchant, salsabil, T3

have not looked at Almost 50 from yesterday yet, nearly forgot to do that

Their votes went

Enchant
Me
themselves!
Me
themselves!
wiki

end fo day

to me, that looks like a whole load of townies in their voting pile. lean non-town on them too.

Note: i am bad at this game and will likely be wrong about a bunch of my thoughts, but that is my current read on the game and some of the player's votes.

[geraintm]

Gera are your seriously saying datisi and I are scum for voting a variety of people during day one

Jfc

no, that is not what i have said and you know it.

i am saying i think you are more likely to be scum because you were both on the wagon that eliminated a townie yesterday - which was a hideoous elimination, and today you are both voting wiki who is a person i read as town.
the bit where i went back and looked through both your votes yesterday was attempted topping on that. something i always try and do once votes on wagons with known outcomes exist.

[geraintm]

In post 2589, geraintm wrote:
Quickly going to post, I ain't voting wiki today

explain

if wiki's play yesterday was scum, rather than town, then they have me fooled for today. if they are straight up scum then they won't last to the end game.
i quickly posted as i wanted to chime in as they seemed a potential wagon forming around wiki that i didnt want to tick over before i had chance to post.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Datisi

you too

wiki has spent the whole first day screaming how he's a strong power role and how we cannot vote him out, but now he's self voting? okay

also big fucking lol @ claiming he's town for shitspamming all over the game

I know what he did, but still not sure if his scum partners let him play like this. Yeah, one thing can happen, he is a traitor and his playstyle was signaling the scums and that's why he is still alive ever after claiming

important

TPR in D1. I'm considering this scenario, but not interested in closing the D2 early.

Andres

nk indicates towards scum!

T3

but scum can use this for another miselimination tactic. Need to read

Andres

's ISO...

i considered this, that his behavior day 1 was so "me me me!" that he might be the traitor. but surely a traitor would have just left the claimed PR die, rather than that weird counterclaim thing they did. i agree though, would be nice to know for sure if they were a traitor.
i am right in thinking scum don't know the traitor? if scum are sitting there with the same logic as most of us that wiki isn't the traitor, that to me explains why they was so uch instant pressure on them day 2.
that is what i looked at in my post, who voted on the elimination yesterday and who pushed wiki's elimination today.

[geraintm]

oh, and for those who have played with me before, my view on wiki is one of those game central points that i fix around that i get stuck on for the rest of the game. you aren't going to change my mind without something spectacular.

[geraintm]

hard against voting off Wiki here.

Dorsey needs to appear too.

[geraintm]

the logic of scum faking a counterclaim against a PR, just in an attempt to push it through, knowing they are going to get heat for it the next day - i just don't buy.
you see his play as strongly scummy.
i see it the opposite.
we are allowed to differ on this.

[geraintm]

You are all terrible players. That elimination was awful.

Did Dorsey and Looker pick up their prods?

[geraintm]

This thread seems full of bile.
I ain't voting.

[geraintm]

It's 5 to midnight here and I would t be checking this thread for 10 or so hours. I could leave a vote on somewhere but I am not

[geraintm]

If I remember correctly, I had datisi as one of the 2 who pinged me the hardest from day 1/early day 2. The other is now dead.

I think Enchant I said I thought was town? And they've entered the thread and not voted

[geraintm]

Oh, almost 50 was lean non town, and they are voting.

[geraintm]

gera, you had me as scum because i was voting wiki. i had reasons to vote him.

The reasons for voting wiki stank. It was an obvious miselimination. I'm bad at this game but I am allowed to call out people who voted wiki yesterday and then go look at their post history

[geraintm]

If datisi is town, their posting style is not helping.

Has everyone alive checked in today?
There is no way people should be voting if they are still absent friends

[geraintm]

Am I right in thinking there are 3 different wagons started now?

[geraintm]

Yes, it was *new perspective* but mainly it was this thought: if scum!you scenario can solve the game fmpov.

okay, but i still don't understand ho voting me helped you with that or if you actually got any reads from that or anything.

also, i'll make it a bit more clear:

if you think dorsey is scum, unless you think t3 and dorsey are bussing (which is a lol), you *really* should unvote t3

Nah, the vote on you didn’t do a thing as I put

Wiki

at E-1 and the day was ended early

Ok, I'm unvoting...

UNVOTE: T3

weekend and i dont have time to put effort in and go back through the threads, so sorry my posts are just chippy

but this is the first good post today

[geraintm]

ok, back after a weekend of not paying much attention.
anyone got an unofficial vote count?

[geraintm]

realise i need to do it myself....

[geraintm]

Datisi #2707 vote Dorsey
almost 50 ~2708 vote Dorsey
T3 2835 - Dorsey

Salsabil 2998 - dorsey

Dorsey 2699 - Datisi

Looker - no vote (VLA)

geraintm - no vote

enchant - unvoted

iconeum - no vote

that right?

[geraintm]

so, with 4 votes on Dorsey and 4 scum in game, scenarios are

Dorsey is town, others on wagon are all scum
Dorsey is scum, town cannot get a wagon over the line (this requires scum to be on wagon as i know i am town)
Dorsey is town, and Looker is scum because their absence means scum cannot get over the line

[geraintm]

just putting out my thinking for all to see as i come back to the game.
i strongly suspect if there is town on the dorsey wagon you shoudl unvote in case looked comes back

[geraintm]

i aint hammered too, so i think that pushes me and enchant into Town pile. i am not sure how either of us could be scum in this situation

[geraintm]

unless of course Dorsey is scum and we are both scum and dont want to hammer our partner

[geraintm]

I've had you pegged as town muc of the game, i think i will stick with that assumption.
i am strongly leaning to looker being very suspicious

[geraintm]

not going to vote the absent looker - but it would explain why the dorsey wagon wont go over

[geraintm]

rawr!

am back - i'll be catching up in an hour or 2 or whatever

the absence of an immediate hammer is...encouraging?

[geraintm]

Is that game over scum?

[geraintm]

I assume it is.

[geraintm]

If so, going to get my "some people were dumber than a bag of hammers" in early

[geraintm]

VOTE: Dorsey

This post coming literally seconds after mine is awesome...

[geraintm]

Which people

Assumjng you are scum and have just hammered for thenwin, will be whoever was town just leaving their vote on when you were absent.

[geraintm]

Oh, if there were 2 townies on the wagon then we didn't stand a chance.

(Sorry only just seen that small text)

[geraintm]

I was Town Traitor-Finder

I N1 checked Wiki, as every single person in the game did. how they got eliminated i have no idea?
N2 i checked Dorsey. i was like 95% on Datisi being scum, Looker being scum, Dorsey not, Enchant not by the end of the game. but Dorsey just won the arguments at every stage today.

[geraintm]

how they got eliminated i have no idea?

i mean, if ur actively trying to be *that* annoying… nobody really cares if you die or not. Even the ones townreading you

true. it did feel like every town player went "they are town" and then a bunch of them voted anyways.

Town PR getting zero useful info really didn't help. Night 1, one targetted the night kill, one was NKed and i got a negative. Night 2 i got a negative and the other died.

Game felt like once scum got ahead we couldnt catch up. there was no wriggle room at all if scum isn't killed in the first two days.

just feeling crappy about this game, wasn't fun at all.