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[Dwlee99]

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
This needs pressure

[LicketyQuickety]

Vote Count 1.02

JacksonVirgo - 0
Almost50 - 0
MargotRosa - 0
Not_Mafia - 1: mozamis
Dwlee99 - 2: ILUVYTHAN, Ythan
AliceK - 0
ssbm_Kyouko - 1: Dwlee99
fua - 1: UglyDuck
ILUVYTHAN - 0
Ythan - 0
Save The Dragons - 0
mozamis - 1: Save The Dragons
Three - 0
UglyDuck - 4: Almost50, fua, Three, Not_Mafia
Andresvmb - 0
No Elim - 0

Not Voting - 6: JacksonVirgo, MargotRosa, Not_Mafia, AliceK, ssbm_Kyouko, Andresvmb

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to Eliminate.

Day 1 Ends in (expired on 2021-11-16 12:15:00).

Mod Notes: Let me know if any of the votes are wrong.

[Almost50]

I feel a bit too demotivated to actually play, nd there's nothing really interesting in this game yet. Hell, we even failed to out the other two TPRs by page 5. That's bad Town play

[Dwlee99]

Vote Kyo with me

[Almost50]

VOTE: ssbm

[Three]

Kyo is in this game??

VOTE: ssbm

[UglyDuck]

Are you saying that Vigilante shouldn't shoot early-game because it will give us no information based on vote patterns etc?

Pretty much. Both the vote patterns that could of been taken by that player, and the vote patterns that could of been taken against that player. The latter obviously being more beneficial after a flip (assuming they are town), but yeah... both parts.

also the unlikely hood to find skum with a shot Night 1. I should be more specific on that also - I mean like almost exactly Night 1. I still lean bad idea later nights until it is obviously good, but on Night 1 it is simply a gamble.

[UglyDuck]

2021 and we're talking about how vigs work.

what would you like to talk about?

[UglyDuck]

Can we flash wagon Not Mafia?

That's tempting, but I think we can also wait for him to be replaced out.

Alice, Uglyduck, and Jackson are the only three that came in and posted without giving a vote. Could it be that they don’t want anything to be traced back to them?

Not posted yet: Andres, Kyouko, Not_Mafia, and MargotRosa.

VOTE: Uglyduck[/c]

Discuss.

I don't do RVS.

Well then you're anti-town

Disagree.

[UglyDuck]

Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck

Why not?

VOTE: fua

Would you mind clarifying, please?

If they actually answer you I will clarify. Although, it probably won't be needed if they answer you.

[UglyDuck]

I don't want to bog down the thread talking about this but the idea is if you're on, say, 6 - 2, and you lim someone, you enter night 5 - 2 (or 6 - 1), and then you end night on odds (scum kill + vigilante kill) giving you, say 3 - 2, which is an extra town kill than if the vigilante didn't shoot and you entered the next day 4 - 2 (which is still ELO of some form w/ or w/o the vig shot)

I mean.... that is arbitrary.
The fact is that when you shoot at a point in the game when you do not have a realistic potential to have a good grasp on who could be skum, it is highly more likely that you shoot town than skum. That removes a town vote for all following days that would of otherwise been there. That removes potentially a Town PR. That removes someone that could of been voted for and then used as VCA. That removes a lot.

So like... this set up is what 3 v 10 right? So that means like a "goooood player" day 1 has (and yes this is arbitrary) but let's say like a "3/8" chance of hitting skum (remove self and remove someone that "must be town").

Especially with a Doctor in play for skum. Brings the whole "was I JKd, was that the JK target, was that the mafia skum target" thing into play... which is just gonna out the JK most the time.

Now all of that is from my POV and I got no idea really how people play and meta and all that, so that obviously is a factor I cannot take into consideration.

Then there is the added value of *not* offing any town, then getting to a more limited field and using the power then with more information.

Like, what is the value on Day 2 lets say, of having two town kills at night when we don't know the next day who killed who? Will it be useful down the road? - yep! Will it be more useful than not having that other town player alive? - nope!

Omg kill it with fire ZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZzzzzzzz, get this MU shit out of here please, I can't take it

VOTE: UglyFuck

1. Wrong. Ducks are beautiful in mating season
2. what is MU shit?

[UglyDuck]

ooop got it as I typed, or at least I think - assuming Mafia Universe. Never played there so IDK what that means. FDS over here.

[UglyDuck]

I think UglyDuck is Town, he is pushing a controversial opinion (not shooting, not liming as well?) which he should know could open him for attacks. I don't think as scum he would draw attention to himself like that.

100% against not eliminating, just to be clear.

[fua]

Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck

Why not?

VOTE: fua

Would you mind clarifying, please?

If they actually answer you I will clarify. Although, it probably won't be needed if they answer you.

I think you should do it anyway.

[LicketyQuickety]

Mod Notes

Proding ssbm_Kyouko and Andresvmb.

Aaron replaces for MargotRosa.

[UglyDuck]

Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck

Why not?

VOTE: fua

Would you mind clarifying, please?

If they actually answer you I will clarify. Although, it probably won't be needed if they answer you.

I think you should do it anyway.

Give me a reason to. I am open to it. But I need a reason.

[fua]

Even if he isn't real don't shoot him @vig

Not a good idea

If I were a vig I wouldn't shoot NM tonight

VOTE: ugly duck

Why not?

VOTE: fua

Would you mind clarifying, please?

If they actually answer you I will clarify. Although, it probably won't be needed if they answer you.

I think you should do it anyway.

Give me a reason to. I am open to it. But I need a reason.

Because:

1. There's nothing to lose from not doing it.
2. I told you to.
3. My vote is still on you and this isn't helping.

[Aaron]

*click clack click clack*
*knock knock*

It's Aaron. Yes hello sir. I will begin presenting promptly. Have a great day.

*door shuts*

I am quite occupied as of today but will be here starting tomorrow. Thank you for your patience.

[ILUVYTHAN]

what even

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh my

[AliceK]

*click clack click clack*
*knock knock*

It's Aaron. Yes hello sir. I will begin presenting promptly. Have a great day.

*door shuts*

I am quite occupied as of today but will be here starting tomorrow. Thank you for your patience.

Good morning.

[AliceK]

Based on fact that Jackson is active and didn't get prodded or replaced out he is very likely Town.

[fua]

Based on fact that Jackson is active and didn't get prodded or replaced out he is very likely Town.

Activity doesn’t necessarily equate to towniness.

[AliceK]

Based on fact that Jackson is active and didn't get prodded or replaced out he is very likely Town.

Activity doesn’t necessarily equate to towniness.

He just doesn't have games where he was active as scum. Maybe he doesn't like playing scum and replace out when he roll it.

[Andresvmb]

Hey all. I’ll catch up on this later today. Good thing is I haven’t really missed all that much.