Mini Normal 2245: LJITGBSMoD [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 5.02

with 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2021-11-18 09:15:00).

yeet

Commander Shepard [1]:

StrangeMatter

not voting [5]:

Gamma Emerald, Dwlee99, Commander Shepard, redtea, AliceK

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[Commander Shepard]

That makes things remarkably easy. StrangeMatter is very likely one of the two scum. Now just to find the other.

[Dwlee99]

Wait am I thinking of something else

I think I asked people to claim at some point but a quick skim of my ISO isn't finding it

What’s your claim?

I'm VT

So no one died N4 so redtea barring a counterclaim is also confirmed town and just being mechanically unsavvy.

This read feels way too easily made

[Commander Shepard]

vote count 3.final

with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.

yeet

Jolyne [3]:

Dwlee99, Gamma Emerald, T3, Jolyne, Not_Mafia

[HAMMER]

AliceK [1]:

redtea

not voting [3]:

AliceK, camelCasedSnivy, DArby

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It’s a fact scum bussed Jolyne. Either one or both (in case StrangeMatter is bad town) got on Jolene early. I doubt a double bus so it’s likely one of Dwlee or Gamma and StrangeMatter

[Commander Shepard]

Wait am I thinking of something else

I think I asked people to claim at some point but a quick skim of my ISO isn't finding it

What’s your claim?

I'm VT

So no one died N4 so redtea barring a counterclaim is also confirmed town and just being mechanically unsavvy.

This read feels way too easily made

It’s logic.

Scum either attempted to kill and it was stopped. Since no one has counter claimed redtea in this case they have to be town. The other option is scum no killed, which is like why?

[Commander Shepard]

Okay this isn't going through

I'm a one-shot checker and got no result on Jolyne last night

Why Jolene?

[Dwlee99]

I've seen scum do gambits like that to close out a game and sometimes be a little fancy. I don't

think

it's what happened here because scum!redtea was already townread, and it paints a bigger target on them for the night kill than before (why aren't they dead? paranoia), but without knowing more about the game you just went right for that read

[Dwlee99]

I lied to make sure the wagon went through and hoping scum would try to kill me instead of Darby who I thought could be under claiming # of shots

[Commander Shepard]

I've seen scum do gambits like that to close out a game and sometimes be a little fancy. I don't

think

it's what happened here because scum!redtea was already townread, and it paints a bigger target on them for the night kill than before (why aren't they dead? paranoia), but without knowing more about the game you just went right for that read

Correct. Scum CAN do gambits like that but it’s a matter of did they? Odds are probably not since one of the players is conf town still alive. Starting with mechanics is always the way to go.

Why the fake checker claim?

[Commander Shepard]

I lied to make sure the wagon went through and hoping scum would try to kill me instead of Darby who I thought could be under claiming # of shots

So you’re bussing and you wanted Jolyne to die that day is the most probable explanation. If Jolyne didn’t die then you’d be in a world of hurt.

[Dwlee99]

Why would I need Jolyne to die that day instead of just not?

[Dwlee99]

You realize you're talking both sides of this with "scum don't pull gambits like this" and then saying I faked a guilty on my buddy for ???

[Dwlee99]

If I was scum with Koba I would never force their lim through

They're literally one of the best scum players on site and I have extreme respect for them, no way I would insist I could endgame better than they could

[Commander Shepard]

Why would I need Jolyne to die that day instead of just not?

If Jolyne didn’t die and no one received a message then you’d be in the same position of having to bus Jolyne again. Having failed the first time makes you lose all the credibility you built and having to lose a scum.

[Commander Shepard]

If I was scum with Koba I would never force their lim through

They're literally one of the best scum players on site and I have extreme respect for them, no way I would insist I could endgame better than they could

Who is Koba?

[Dwlee99]

So instead of hard pushing and then letting people wagon somewhere else instead of Koba (which is what people were pretty much ready to do before I shoved it through) so I look really good for having pushed it early and letting other people counterwagon, you're saying I would think it better to get the scum flip earlier? How does that make any sense?

[Dwlee99]

Jolyne is a DkKoba alt, should have made that clear

[Commander Shepard]

Actually fuck it -
I'm informed town ascetic
I didnt claim bc public info -> im informed that scum is informed that a town informed ascetic exists.
Which means they know the IC isn't one.
Now can we stop the ascetic talk, val?

This isn’t a post an experienced player makes expecting to end game. Experienced scum that expects to end game claims ascetic like a townie would.

[Commander Shepard]

So instead of hard pushing and then letting people wagon somewhere else instead of Koba (which is what people were pretty much ready to do before I shoved it through) so I look really good for having pushed it early and letting other people counterwagon, you're saying I would think it better to get the scum flip earlier? How does that make any sense?

That’s not what I am saying. I am saying you were committed. If you fail it looks like distancing and therefore no town cred. You had to succeed there.

[Dwlee99]

Actually fuck it -
I'm informed town ascetic
I didnt claim bc public info -> im informed that scum is informed that a town informed ascetic exists.
Which means they know the IC isn't one.
Now can we stop the ascetic talk, val?

This isn’t a post an experienced player makes expecting to end game. Experienced scum that expects to end game claims ascetic like a townie would.

That post actually had people townreading them ironically, but kinda fair

So instead of hard pushing and then letting people wagon somewhere else instead of Koba (which is what people were pretty much ready to do before I shoved it through) so I look really good for having pushed it early and letting other people counterwagon, you're saying I would think it better to get the scum flip earlier? How does that make any sense?

That’s not what I am saying. I am saying you were committed. If you fail it looks like distancing and therefore no town cred. You had to succeed there.

This isn't my experience at all. I've bussed while people counterwagoned elsewhere and then rode the towncred to a win. And it's way better for cred because then other people succeeded in getting someone mislimmed and there's a bunch of people to point fingers at that made that happen instead of a scum wagon

[Commander Shepard]

Actually fuck it -
I'm informed town ascetic
I didnt claim bc public info -> im informed that scum is informed that a town informed ascetic exists.
Which means they know the IC isn't one.
Now can we stop the ascetic talk, val?

This isn’t a post an experienced player makes expecting to end game. Experienced scum that expects to end game claims ascetic like a townie would.

That post actually had people townreading them ironically, but kinda fair

So instead of hard pushing and then letting people wagon somewhere else instead of Koba (which is what people were pretty much ready to do before I shoved it through) so I look really good for having pushed it early and letting other people counterwagon, you're saying I would think it better to get the scum flip earlier? How does that make any sense?

That’s not what I am saying. I am saying you were committed. If you fail it looks like distancing and therefore no town cred. You had to succeed there.

This isn't my experience at all. I've bussed while people counterwagoned elsewhere and then rode the towncred to a win. And it's way better for cred because then other people succeeded in getting someone mislimmed and there's a bunch of people to point fingers at that made that happen instead of a scum wagon

What does your elimination pool look like?
Do you think scum no killed?

[Dwlee99]

Rn I'm at you/strange/gamma

Which is yours but with you and me swapped

[Dwlee99]

Do you think scum no killed?

And no, not really, but I feel like town!you would have given it more consideration than you did

[Commander Shepard]

Do you think scum no killed?

And no, not really, but I feel like town!you would have given it more consideration than you did

Why? A scum voluntary no kill is almost never a thing.

[Dwlee99]

I think there was a game I saw someone reference very recently where scum did a no-kill to set up a doctor claim, lemme find it