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Usually 3 Reapers (scum) on mini normal battlefields.In post 1705, Datisi wrote:vote count 5.01
with 6 votes in play, it takes 4 to make a decision. day 5 ends in (expired on 2021-11-18 09:15:00).
I am not scum as I am the Spectre so therefore two scum in Gamma, Dwlee, redtea, StrangeMatter, and Alice. Catching up now but is there mission intel I need to be aware of before I go through the history logs?-
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So redtea claims babysitter. Has mass claim happened?In post 1702, redtea wrote:
im town babysitter, which makes the fact town ascetic died n1 hurt all the moreIn post 1700, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait redtea are you just a doctor doctor
id been trying to figure out whether it'd be better to withold my exact role but i just can't think of a negative that isn't outweighed by a positive atp-
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=BabysitterIn post 1727, redtea wrote:
okay now I understandIn post 1712, ChaosOmega wrote:In post 1702, redtea wrote:
im town babysitter, which makes the fact town ascetic died n1 hurt all the moreIn post 1700, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait redtea are you just a doctor doctor
id been trying to figure out whether it'd be better to withold my exact role but i just can't think of a negative that isn't outweighed by a positive atp
This is wrong too, we're at evens, we're not no-yeeting today with the claim. If we lim town we lose regardless, but if we lim scum redtea should claim their target and target someone, they either don't die which gives us info, the target is town and they both die, but we get back down to odds, or mafia targets not redtea for the NK.In post 1703, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well in that case don’t use that anymore because it can only hurt
but upon declaring this strategy, if we went through with it then. Scum would probably just avoid nking me no matter who I targeted
This does not make sense.
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I can, and I am VT. More curious as to why this hasn’t seemed to happen yet in melo.
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Where has this happened?In post 1741, Dwlee99 wrote:It has happened I just wanted to see if you'd claim something different from the previous owner of your slot-
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Why was Alice conf town here?In post 1662, Dwlee99 wrote:Alice if you weren't conftown I'd think your t3 read was TMI because he was scummy af
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What’s your claim?In post 1743, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait am I thinking of something else
I think I asked people to claim at some point but a quick skim of my ISO isn't finding it-
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It’s a fact scum bussed Jolyne. Either one or both (in case StrangeMatter is bad town) got on Jolene early. I doubt a double bus so it’s likely one of Dwlee or Gamma and StrangeMatterIn post 1564, Datisi wrote:vote count 3.final
with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.
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It’s logic.In post 1752, Dwlee99 wrote:
I'm VTIn post 1747, Commander Shepard wrote:
What’s your claim?In post 1743, Dwlee99 wrote:Wait am I thinking of something else
I think I asked people to claim at some point but a quick skim of my ISO isn't finding it
This read feels way too easily madeIn post 1748, Commander Shepard wrote:So no one died N4 so redtea barring a counterclaim is also confirmed town and just being mechanically unsavvy.
Scum either attempted to kill and it was stopped. Since no one has counter claimed redtea in this case they have to be town. The other option is scum no killed, which is like why?-
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Why Jolene?In post 1553, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay this isn't going through
I'm a one-shot checker and got no result on Jolyne last night-
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Correct. Scum CAN do gambits like that but it’s a matter of did they? Odds are probably not since one of the players is conf town still alive. Starting with mechanics is always the way to go.In post 1756, Dwlee99 wrote:I've seen scum do gambits like that to close out a game and sometimes be a little fancy. I don'tthinkit's what happened here because scum!redtea was already townread, and it paints a bigger target on them for the night kill than before (why aren't they dead? paranoia), but without knowing more about the game you just went right for that read
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So you’re bussing and you wanted Jolyne to die that day is the most probable explanation. If Jolyne didn’t die then you’d be in a world of hurt.In post 1757, Dwlee99 wrote:I lied to make sure the wagon went through and hoping scum would try to kill me instead of Darby who I thought could be under claiming # of shots-
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If Jolyne didn’t die and no one received a message then you’d be in the same position of having to bus Jolyne again. Having failed the first time makes you lose all the credibility you built and having to lose a scum.In post 1760, Dwlee99 wrote:Why would I need Jolyne to die that day instead of just not?-
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Who is Koba?In post 1762, Dwlee99 wrote:If I was scum with Koba I would never force their lim through
They're literally one of the best scum players on site and I have extreme respect for them, no way I would insist I could endgame better than they could-
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This isn’t a post an experienced player makes expecting to end game. Experienced scum that expects to end game claims ascetic like a townie would.In post 853, Jolyne wrote:Actually fuck it -
I'm informed town ascetic
I didnt claim bc public info -> im informed that scum is informed that a town informed ascetic exists.
Which means they know the IC isn't one.
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That’s not what I am saying. I am saying you were committed. If you fail it looks like distancing and therefore no town cred. You had to succeed there.In post 1765, Dwlee99 wrote:So instead of hard pushing and then letting people wagon somewhere else instead of Koba (which is what people were pretty much ready to do before I shoved it through) so I look really good for having pushed it early and letting other people counterwagon, you're saying I would think it better to get the scum flip earlier? How does that make any sense?-
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What does your elimination pool look like?In post 1769, Dwlee99 wrote:
That post actually had people townreading them ironically, but kinda fairIn post 1767, Commander Shepard wrote:
This isn’t a post an experienced player makes expecting to end game. Experienced scum that expects to end game claims ascetic like a townie would.In post 853, Jolyne wrote:Actually fuck it -
I'm informed town ascetic
I didnt claim bc public info -> im informed that scum is informed that a town informed ascetic exists.
Which means they know the IC isn't one.
Now can we stop the ascetic talk, val?
This isn't my experience at all. I've bussed while people counterwagoned elsewhere and then rode the towncred to a win. And it's way better for cred because then other people succeeded in getting someone mislimmed and there's a bunch of people to point fingers at that made that happen instead of a scum wagonIn post 1768, Commander Shepard wrote:
That’s not what I am saying. I am saying you were committed. If you fail it looks like distancing and therefore no town cred. You had to succeed there.In post 1765, Dwlee99 wrote:So instead of hard pushing and then letting people wagon somewhere else instead of Koba (which is what people were pretty much ready to do before I shoved it through) so I look really good for having pushed it early and letting other people counterwagon, you're saying I would think it better to get the scum flip earlier? How does that make any sense?
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Why? A scum voluntary no kill is almost never a thing.In post 1772, Dwlee99 wrote:
And no, not really, but I feel like town!you would have given it more consideration than you didIn post 1770, Commander Shepard wrote:Do you think scum no killed?-
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I’ll grant you this exists. One game out of thousands. I’ll stick with what’s likely.In post 1774, Dwlee99 wrote:I think there was a game I saw someone reference very recently where scum did a no-kill to set up a doctor claim, lemme find it
So your PoE is Gamma/strange/me.
If I am scum who with?
And I know your answer if I am town so don’t bother with answering that hypothetical.
Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare-
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And you say this because?In post 1777, Dwlee99 wrote:You're probably scum with Gamma-
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Yes. This is not inconsistent and I do not like what you are misrepresenting.In post 1779, Dwlee99 wrote:
okay but this is incongruent with what you've said to my slot, which is why I think you're just scum hereIn post 1776, Commander Shepard wrote:Pedit: like I said I grant that. It’s a gambit because it’s rare
Like your read on redtea is an easy "oh they're not scum cause why would scum gambit" but your read on me is "they're scum cause this gambit scenario is totally the most likely thing that happened"
For the redtea claim there’s no evidence of a gambit. Between that and making imho bad mechanics statements that work against their gambit, redtea likely isn’t gambiting. Whereas you are a proven gambit as either alignment and it’s a matter of why. Since Jolyne was already destined to die in the 800s post I quoted one of you or Gamma bussed. You’re the proven gambiter so odds are it’s you.-
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Why are you assuming I am scum? I came in and started reading and what pops out to me I respond to.In post 1780, Dwlee99 wrote:
You're spewing gamma scum with your entrance where you say you think Strange is scum and you're gonna "find the other" while angling to push meIn post 1778, Commander Shepard wrote:
And you say this because?In post 1777, Dwlee99 wrote:You're probably scum with Gamma-
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As I said earlier you needed Jolyne to go down there. There’s no way you draw a night kill as a one shot checker. It’s a claim designed to not out your buddies and not show up as a Neopolitan. Your fake claim check was flawed and designed to extract information.In post 1783, Dwlee99 wrote:But why would I gambit to guilty my buddy instead of just not doing that as scum. There's clear motivation here fmpov to do that because I could have drawn a night kill to get darby to get another result and also just remove someone that people had suspicion of from the game, but I don't see why I'd want to do that as scum-
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I know I can’t convince you to say you’re scum. I am asking these questions to demonstrate your scum mindset to others. And yes I had you assume I am scum, but none of the rest of the post after that follows.In post 1786, Dwlee99 wrote:Yea I can't convince you you're scum so it's fine-
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I already responded to what you said. If Jolyne doesn’t die you lose cred. You disagreed without attacking my point.In post 1788, Dwlee99 wrote:1.) If I'm scum there's zero reason I NEED Koba dead there. I already responded to this point and you're just repeating it without responding to what I said
2.) If I was planning to kill Darby why TF would it matter if I showed up as not VT to him and
3.) If I claim full checker then scum would know I was full of shit, whereas one-shot makes it seem like I'm lying about my number of shots
Because you don’t know what other PRs do and don’t exist at that point.
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Haven’t read that far but it’s likely just another ploy since at this point it’s unlikely a check can happen.In post 1791, Dwlee99 wrote:Forget?? I opened today explaining what I was trying to do
You're full of shit
I am thinking no elim with two conf town and mass claim is in order and redtea protects no one.
Then remaining conf town determines the elim.-
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That’s just common sense. Push a wagon and it doesn’t go through it’s distancing not a bus. That’s the definition. The only way towncred is granted is on a successful bus with an experienced player.In post 1795, Dwlee99 wrote:
How do I lose cred if Jolyne doesn't die. I've explained how the opposite is the case but you're continuing on pushing this bsIn post 1792, Commander Shepard wrote:
I already responded to what you said. If Jolyne doesn’t die you lose cred. You disagreed without attacking my point.In post 1788, Dwlee99 wrote:1.) If I'm scum there's zero reason I NEED Koba dead there. I already responded to this point and you're just repeating it without responding to what I said
2.) If I was planning to kill Darby why TF would it matter if I showed up as not VT to him and
3.) If I claim full checker then scum would know I was full of shit, whereas one-shot makes it seem like I'm lying about my number of shots
Because you don’t know what other PRs do and don’t exist at that point.
If you’re full checker then no one would buy it.-
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I did read it. It’s literally just “I have done something impossible”. You can only distance in that case and if anyone gave you credit they’re being bad players.In post 1796, Dwlee99 wrote:
It's like you didn't read this post or are deliberately ignoring itIn post 1769, Dwlee99 wrote:This isn't my experience at all. I've bussed while people counterwagoned elsewhere and then rode the towncred to a win. And it's way better for cred because then other people succeeded in getting someone mislimmed and there's a bunch of people to point fingers at that made that happen instead of a scum wagon-
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Bussing requires the person to die.In post 1798, Dwlee99 wrote:That's not the definition at all what
Bussing is getting an elim on a scum buddy.
Distancing is suggesting/pushing a scum buddy.
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In my only opinion this is an incorrect way to assign cred and why towns lose to certain players a lot. Pushing a buddy in that manner gives an opportunity to avoid talking about the rest of the game while seeming town. That’s why unless the spot is generating massive amounts of content regarding other slots they have to have the elim go through to receive cred. We know Jolyne was a planned bus. It’s a matter of who talked the least about other slots and who was more invested is the scum.In post 1801, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay but the amount of town cred is about how much you attempt to make the lim happen, not just voting it
Scum see more frequently on scum lims then off them, it's about who wanted the elimination to actually happen vs who pushed counterwagons-
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In an ideal world, we elim StrangeMatter today then you and Gamma duke it out to find the busser. I suspect that’s you based on what’s here but there’s a possibility I am wrong. The more you push me the more you’re proving my theory right though. StrangeMatter as town never should vote here and it would always be up to conf town who we elim.-
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Ah so you have no reasons and are pushed into a forced decision of me and Gamma scum and not a planned thing. Thank you for further spewing redtea town.In post 1808, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't believe you believe I bussed here
Like you read D3 and think that was a bus? Look at how Koba is trying to ignore me and actively avoiding my push
Strange is town because you're scum
I am still reading but that post in the 800s before where Jolyne claimed ascetic from that point on was a dead scum walking because no neg utility claim in their first post. So Jolyne was 100% a bus it’s a matter of who bussed that’s up for debate.-
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This is the final VC. For Jolyne not to be bussed you’d have to argue that me, Jolyne, and Matter are all a team together which means that instead of piling on Alice we all just hopped on which is still kind of a bus but a weak as fuck one. There’s absolutely a scum in you and Gamma.In post 1564, Datisi wrote:vote count 3.final
with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.
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I am starting from known facts like Jolyne is scum and Jolyne expected to die and then going from those two obvious points. Starting from emotions and narrative leaves too much room for being manipulated. Facts first emotions second.In post 1810, Dwlee99 wrote:You're still ignoring so much context around things that happened-
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Right, that’s my point. Scum didn’t do anything in the non bus world.In post 1813, Dwlee99 wrote:Alice had an innocent claim on her lmao
But I do think scum bussed cause I think you and Gamma are scum
Okay now we’re getting somewhere. Now I have gotten you to admit that Jolyne was an intentional bus.
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The bus started hereIn post 853, Jolyne wrote:Actually fuck it -
I'm informed town ascetic
I didnt claim bc public info -> im informed that scum is informed that a town informed ascetic exists.
Which means they know the IC isn't one.
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In post 874, camelCasedSnivy wrote:Had a thought. What if there was a?Mafia Ascetic Backup Ascetic
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In post 875, Dwlee99 wrote:I wouldn't put it past Datisi-
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You ignored this postIn post 895, Not_Mafia wrote:
Wouldn't pass reviewIn post 874, camelCasedSnivy wrote:Had a thought. What if there was a?Mafia Ascetic Backup Ascetic
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You 100% know better than to do this. Gamma and you both know ascetic without D1 claim is policy. Especially with the rules in the OP.In post 928, Dwlee99 wrote:
Omg yeaIn post 925, redtea wrote:
fun fact this town!dwlee game follows t3's scumtellIn post 900, Dwlee99 wrote:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87720In post 892, Val89 wrote:
Anyone explain what the LN thing is?In post 810, Dwlee99 wrote:I want to do the LN thing again
See the flips
And t3 didn't even mention it that game and was town which makes me think
VOTE: t3-
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That’s been my point. And yes we should and we should be in mass claim.In post 1827, StrangeMatter wrote:Hang on, can we just assume we're in MELO (6 players, 2 scum left) right?-
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Yes scum just shoot ascetic if it’s on D1 that’s why you always claim it D1 in a subtle way. Negative utility is always done in the first day ideally first few posts. That’s like a mafia 101 thing. If Jolyne is Koba they 100% are experienced and if I was in the game I vote them and never let go.In post 1826, Dwlee99 wrote:You're also still missing where Koba said it was a fake claim later-
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Lol last refuge of a outed scum. I have to go maintain the ship be back later.In post 1830, Dwlee99 wrote:You make no sense-
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Not Mafia is also a troll.
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Furthermore that just proves my slot town as we know Jolyne was a bus.
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And I policy elim you later.In post 1836, Dwlee99 wrote:If I rolled town ascetic here I wouldn't have claimed it day one
So your entire argument makes zero sense
Absolutely none
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Literally just explained this.In post 1839, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 1564, Datisi wrote:vote count 3.final
with 9 votes in play, it took 5 to make a decision. day 3 ended.
Either one of you or Gamma are scum confirmed. Otherwise Jolyne me and Matter just elim Jolyne with no reason and no cred.
From there it’s a matter of which. And I think the scum you case is pretty damning.-
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In post 1587, AliceK wrote:
How much experience you have? 6 years? Yeah, you could definitely do that kind of busing.In post 1562, Dwlee99 wrote:
Seriously?In post 1557, AliceK wrote:So it is basically Jolyne vs Dwlee. Or both.-
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This I get but Matter is a much better elim as Dwlee and Gamma are not likely scum and that hammer EoD is pretty much town clear for NM and therefore me.In post 1599, AliceK wrote:I actually think that Gamma is a good elim for today. Jolyne s gambit doesn't make sense if both of her partners were in camel/not Mafia/t3-
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In post 1845, Gamma Emerald wrote: