Open 836: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Something_Smart]

VC 1.7

Iconeum (3)- Sleepless Assassin, PenguinPower, Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral (3)- VP Baltar, Iconeum, Datisi
Gamma Emerald (2)- Almost50, Bingle
Datisi (1)- SirCakez
Not_Mafia (1)- Not_Mafia
Sleepless Assassin (1)- Enchant
PenguinPower (1)- Fun and Games

Not voting (1)- Dunnstral

With 13 alive it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-11-23 23:00:00)

Mod notes: it hailed today. quite a lot. upstate NY weather is weird

[Gamma Emerald]

why penguin?

i wanna townread gamma but every read feels more weird than the last

My gut feel from that interaction between f&g and Penguin is it’s town/town

[Gamma Emerald]

ico, i'd like some shotgun reads when you catch up, aight?

this i can do

Townie

A50 prob town, really reading like his previous game recently
SirC
Bingle

Varying degrees of nullishness

Datisi
Not_Maf
SA
Enchant

Scummy

Dunn
GE
VP
Fun and Games

Probably not all players in the game, i'd actually need to look up the playerlist

That’s a very weirdchamp scumpool
That’d be a team committed to some pretty weird distancing no matter how you slice it
Can you rationalize that, or at least tell me how much associatives play into this?

[Gamma Emerald]

it's not a team read

they're literally shotgun reads

Feels more like you pulled them out of your ass

[Bingle]

Bingle, since you seem to know what this tell was A50 called on Gamma, do you mind breaking this down for me a little more. I'm finding it a little hard to follow. Can you walk me through what you're seeing here?

The tell as I understand it is that Gamma scum likes to focus in on small less important details as a way to avoid talking about more relevant topics.

Gamma has implicitly agreed that that is true, but says the tell doesn’t apply because the thing he was focusing on is important.

[Gamma Emerald]

I've skimmed. I'll put up detailed responses in a bit.

Gamma having a one sided conversation with me while I was gone and taking pot shots doesn't look great.

Also, the pressure dissipating on Gamma and Dunn as soon as I was away looks suspicious. Shenanigans are afoot.

You’re more than welcome to actually engage with me rather than only slithering about when you want something from me

[VP Baltar]

I've skimmed. I'll put up detailed responses in a bit.

Gamma having a one sided conversation with me while I was gone and taking pot shots doesn't look great.

Also, the pressure dissipating on Gamma and Dunn as soon as I was away looks suspicious. Shenanigans are afoot.

You’re more than welcome to actually engage with me rather than only slithering about when you want something from me

Do you think I'm engaging with you inauthentically?

[VP Baltar]

Gamma, how do you feel about SA?

[Gamma Emerald]

Another pot shot that says exactly ZERO.

There’s not really much I can say other than it basically made me do a disk wipe on a good bit of my prior reads because I was like “my entire starting townblock is all on this one wagon, something about that

does not vibe right

for me”
So I took what felt tangible from my prior reads and torched the rest, and then added in f&g and Penguin as new TRs because of the aforementioned interaction

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, how do you feel about SA?

Pretty meh, their analysis on me isn’t exactly wrong but whoever said it wasn’t rlly AI for me, I think it was f&g, has a point
But their voting seems to be primarily just coasting on existing targets, I wanna see them actually go in hard for something they want

[VP Baltar]

I agree with you that FG/Penguin reads TvT, as I stated.

Lemme ask you, you feel like I'm scum here mostly because you think I shouldn't have lumped you in with dunn etc early on?

[Gamma Emerald]

No, I think your gamestate analysis was essentially irrelevant
Like, sure I wasn’t really engaged w the game (which ig is what you said), but that doesn’t make me scum. I’m v much a do things my own way guy so expecting me to engage at the same rate and same manner is not wise
And I also again just rlly dislike how when I acted up you tried to bully me into voting your wagon of choice

[VP Baltar]

you tried to bully me into voting your wagon of choice

I mean, this is how I play.

I'm always going to rally people to wagons I want to see. This is especially true on D1 when people often mess about without focus.

Making people decide to be on or off a couple wagons on D1 yields a lot of information for later in the game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Then you need to monitor your tone better because you definitely put me off of voting Dunnstral w that

[VP Baltar]

Damn, out here acting like I'm Albert B Rampage

[Gamma Emerald]

nah you're way cooler than him, you at least don't have the [thing ABR got banned for, if you know, you know] from what I've seen

[VP Baltar]

Ok, well I'm not trying to disrespect anyone in a game. I just play to win. Anyhow, Dunn is still a good wagon.

What's your read on the Ico/Dats interaction?

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like there's too much chips on shoulders for that to be TvT

[VP Baltar]

And you're thinking Ico is more scummy out of that?

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah

[VP Baltar]

Can you give me your philosophy here a little bit? Do you think we should yeet one of Dunn or Gamma today? Does it matter to you which?

@penguin, you missed this in your replies to me

[PenguinPower]

Don't really want to yeet anyone yet. But no, it doesn't matter to me which at this point. I more care about wagon composition D1 and what that yields in further days. It's why I'm usually pretty low impact early game and have stronger opinions later game.

[VP Baltar]

Don't really want to yeet anyone yet. But no, it doesn't matter to me which at this point.

While I support the "it doesn't matter too much on D1" philosophy, these two sentences are a bit in conflict.

How can you not care who, but also think it is too early to yeet? When will it be the right time to yeet in your opinion?

[PenguinPower]

Sorry - I meant it doesn't really matter which wagon takes off at the point and that wasn't a comment exclusive to gamma or dunn.

As to your last question: when there are more than seven vote counts and some with wagons that actually have gone somewhere. Can't tell you when that will be.

[Datisi]

i noticed that some of you were asking for my presence

unfortunately, it is 1:30am and i've spent the last few hours panic cramming for my test tomorrow

so i will go to bed and get to y'all lovely people tomorrow