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[innocentvillager]

ok i believe u

[Wright and Justice]

sure i will play along with the don't claim hoods thing i don't see a good reason not to

Ok lets approach this differently - why do you think you're *not* playing to scum.meta?

i don't really think im readable yet ive had some shitposts and argued about some things i think are just not true, both of which are things i do as both alignments

and it's helpful to know early confidence is a thing for you

question for u how does scum!you approach this day different from what you're doing here? i get the sense that you're a powerwolf type player that wants to control everything early but i haven't played with u so idrk.

My d1s as town and scum overlap a lot and no one will ever consistently find me as either on d1.
I'd probably hide my precious game and just shoot the shit in my hood and pocket via friendliness and enable their paranoias on townies as thats how you get someone to trust you in hood games - not the approach i took.

While i did say its hard to catch me d1 that they overlap - its precisely that i put the wool over the eyes that make it hard to see in the moment and then am at risk of collapsing in late game when asked to explain my thought processes

[Wright and Justice]

Hide my previous game*

[pirate mollie]

okay so gamma signs with justice every time? Is that how I tell you two apart?

that's how I intend this to work, yeah

-Justice

ookay thanks so I will assume any non signed post is koba then. And unrelatedly I’m aware activity isn’t really that AI for you

So whats scummy from me then?
Where did you get the idea that activity isn't AI for me - we havent played together - but ive spectated 1 game where you were scum and replaced into 1 after youve already flipped scum.
So whats up?

i was talking to gamma in that post and ive played with both scum and town gamma - he was lurky and active as both alignments at various times. that's all im saying

im voting your slot rn bc i can tbh and i don't really have any read on you rn despite how much you've posted already. your insistence on me playing to my scum meta is rly weird too and having a confident read on me at this stage is bizarre especially when it's wrong

Ok lets approach this differently - why do you think you're *not* playing to scum.meta?

Early confidence is very normal for me btw - right or wrong.

nono

nonononono

the burden of proof is on YOU, to prove that IV is playing to their scum meta since YOU are the one who made the accusation.

You are not even trying to sort them, you are deflecting - one might say, "dodging" even - hey here is an example of the dodging that you have been looking for all game!

[Wright and Justice]

"Can you ellaborate on what posts in the hood were scummy?"
Mollie: " i need to catch up in the thread before i answer "(stalling tactic)
VOTE: mollie

There seems to be a concerted effort to dodge and deflect from mollie and IV and while that's usually too easy to be the solution I'm taking the occams razor approach of that mollie is trying to defend a teammate.

please explain where i dodged and deflected wtf??

Well with andres cc that you arent hood partners with them - that puts a wrench in it.

You kept avoiding talking about why you did what you did when andres was not your scumread but now its more complicated than that.

Btw ^ mollie maybe read the game you're playing

[pirate mollie]

I am all caught up.

I wanted to get everyone give everyone a chance to post at least once, and I think for the most part everyone has.

big long post incoming in a couple of hours.

eta: yeah, that isn't a meta case, that is throwing poo at the wall to see what sticks.

[Wright and Justice]

Yes thats typically how I approach the game early on.
If IVs early game is similar as both alignments and ive only seen them as scum - what do you think im likely to read it as?

[Wright and Justice]

But my point is youre trying to dishonestly manipulate what im saying as something completely different

I am not even pushing IV now and you are trying to claim im scummy for not showing proof against IV - who I am not pushing at that point.

[Wright and Justice]

You're also throwing anything at me to see what sticks too - according to you I should scumread you for it, shouldn't I?
Why is it towny when you do it?
And dont try to deny you arent because we all have the recepts

[pirate mollie]

So where do I start.

When I first saw that I was going to be in a hood with Gamma and Dkoba, I was pretty excited because them and Flea are the only players I am familiar with. Plus, I just finished a large with Gamma in which he was scum, so I felt I have a reasonably good chance of reading him.

I was sick yesterday, and our water heater went out on Monday night, so we have been without hot water for almost a week, and I am not sure when the company we hired is coming out to fix it, and I was really ready to just shoot the shit in a hood with two players I was familiar with.

They ego posted and then asked me who I knew in this game. I stream of conscious posted, as I tend to do, but I answered them. I also notice that they have not said who THEY were familiar with, because IF they were wanting to work together on reads in the instance that we were both town, it seems like they would be more forthcoming. So the exchange came across as them trying to figure who I knew, and that was all the info they wanted. Which is interesting, cos it is typically scum who tries to data mine in this particular way. Its particularly interesting when they accused me later of dodging a question that they never answered themselves, even though I answered. Which left me feeling that they did not particularly care what I had to say, just who I knew.

In the midst of this, I try to engage with Gamma and the only response I got was later, a why-the-fuck-do-you-keep-bothering-me reply.

Dkoba also suggested that we can have fun and pick each other's RVS votes...except he went and RVS voted before I even responded. Why suggest it if you have no intention of following through with it? At this point, town!them should be trying to establish a clear line of communication in order to discern my alignment and they are clearly not doing that.

Then, dkoba says I dodged a question that I had already answered. Again, not really caring what I have to say and the whole thing just came off as forced.

The thing that is missing from our hood is any type of parsing what my alignment is. I got the the very distinct impression that they already knew it, because their posts and questions seem along the lines of steering perception vs critical analytical engagement.

And if you go back and look through their iso, you can see this same thing in the game thread. Steering in lieu of scumhunting.

Dkoba is a very strong town player, I was scum against town!him. He was a primary mover and shaker in breaking the game. He is a methodical, straightforward player and his thinking is clear and focused and how can I say this..pure? I also followed a game he was in because some of my friends were in it, and he was the first town read. he has a natural ability to send up a very strong town signal. That is not happening here.

Gamma is a good egg, and what I learned in the large that we just completed is that he gets uncomfortable as scum.

The reason I liked IV's reaction is because that is a very natural reaction to have in response to that over explained post, that is nearly verbatim of what Gamma said in his recent scumgame. Where he lurked and avoided the game despite posting everywhere else on site. When anyone tried to question him he would get cranky, answer, then disappear again. Which is what he did in our hood.

Town role pm>>>town motivation>>>town posts.

Their posts are not town.

[Wright and Justice]

VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

[pirate mollie]

Yes thats typically how I approach the game early on.
If IVs early game is similar as both alignments and ive only seen them as scum - what do you think im likely to read it as?

But my point is youre trying to dishonestly manipulate what im saying as something completely different

I am not even pushing IV now and you are trying to claim im scummy for not showing proof against IV - who I am not pushing at that point.

You're also throwing anything at me to see what sticks too - according to you I should scumread you for it, shouldn't I?
Why is it towny when you do it?
And dont try to deny you arent because we all have the recepts

Also I am no longer engaging with them in the thread or in our hood, because I am not gonna waste my time convincing scum that they are scum, and it clogs up the thread.

I encourage people to us both, and look at their responses and how they react to my posts. They read like caught scum.

Anyhoo w/o further ado

VOTE: Wright and Justice

[pirate mollie]

Except to Gamma.

VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

So when you and Dkoba were comparing notes, did you tell him that I tend to get into TvT's? That would make sense with what is in our hood. We have never gotten into a TvT, ever. You know why? Because you are a good egg. Why? because you are

decent person

. You don't posture, you don't bully people, you don't stomp around and belittle people and try to make them feel bad about themselves. Not in any game ever, when we played together.

The only reason I am pushing you is because I firmly believe you two to be scum, both independently and combined. You know Dkoba's reactions are bad. He is coming from a position of trying to control the narrative vs finding scum. The push on IV was ridiculous.

[T3]

Hey pals, it's me- FACEBONES
I wish I was high, but alas I have to go to work and deal with people shortly, eugh.
In any case, I figured it'd be rude if I didn't drop in and say hello while I'm on my break

So uh, yeah, hello and stuff. Hope everyone's having a good day/night

My high ass has to say like that my vibes say that this entrance is towny

Idk why it just be *vibing* fam

I got the exact opposite reaction from that. I would normally give this post scumpoints for an anti mind meld.

[T3]

Re: 73.
Provoked self meta is NAI. Unprovoked self meta is towny. Provoked, as in someone says that a player doing something is scummy. That player then says it’s NAI because they do it as both town and scum.
I do think mollie just outing that they are in a hood with WJ is

probably

towny. From what I’ve seen, town players tend to suspect other people in their neighborhood. Especially because of the way the setup works (each player’s hood member has a 50% chance of being mafia. There’s also just a general vibe I get from 73. To me, it reads like town who genuinely believes that they have completely caught scum.

[T3]

thats t3, regardless of alignment you're not getting much and his play is hard to parse. Easier to solve around him. I'd say tje best way of finding his alignment is via TMI

As in scum me TMI'ing other players alignments?

so I guess you are going with the "too scummy to be scummy" gambit?

I get that a lot.

[T3]

Your read on me is predicated on you thinking im pushing anti town mechs.
Its a terrible way to sort someone.

You have refused to answer anything more in depth about IV and seem.to have no opinion about anyone else except to compare it to me

Oh, I didn’t see the part where mollie said that lobster was pushing anti-town mech.
@mollie, did you specifically choose to put your hood with lobster because you thought it was good, mechwise?

[T3]

My autocorrect is cursed.
Koba -> lobster

[T3]

I have zero read on koba slot

pirate mollie like maybe slightly +town maybe not
Holden seems alright maybe a little performative

How specifically was Holden performative?

[T3]

VOTE: Wright and Justice huehue

VOTE: iv
Your posts on page 4 didn’t sit quite right with me on a vibes level. Your progression on WJ also doesn’t seem good. You’re saying that you’re not an easy read, because koba said that you a dimly in your scum meta. Then, after koba makes no posts you just vote koba.
What changed?

[Wright and Justice]

Except to Gamma.

VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

So when you and Dkoba were comparing notes, did you tell him that I tend to get into TvT's? That would make sense with what is in our hood. We have never gotten into a TvT, ever. You know why? Because you are a good egg. Why? because you are

decent person

. You don't posture, you don't bully people, you don't stomp around and belittle people and try to make them feel bad about themselves. Not in any game ever, when we played together.

The only reason I am pushing you is because I firmly believe you two to be scum, both independently and combined. You know Dkoba's reactions are bad. He is coming from a position of trying to control the narrative vs finding scum. The push on IV was ridiculous.

Oh I know their reactions are bad. I've told them such. Doesn't make them scum.
I think had you been more patient you would probably have a different read development on us if you're town. Koba's reading IV's Andres comment as serious is understandable as they pick up on things that shouldn't be prodded and decide to prod them anyway. My suggestion to Koba would have been to basically ignore IV's comment except as a small note. It didn't read as 100% claiming a hood to me.

-Justice

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Wright and Justice huehue

VOTE: iv
Your posts on page 4 didn’t sit quite right with me on a vibes level. Your progression on WJ also doesn’t seem good. You’re saying that you’re not an easy read, because koba said that you a dimly in your scum meta. Then, after koba makes no posts you just vote koba.
What changed?

i don't understand what ur saying here lol what do you find conflicting about my stances

[pirate mollie]

Except to Gamma.

VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

So when you and Dkoba were comparing notes, did you tell him that I tend to get into TvT's? That would make sense with what is in our hood. We have never gotten into a TvT, ever. You know why? Because you are a good egg. Why? because you are

decent person

. You don't posture, you don't bully people, you don't stomp around and belittle people and try to make them feel bad about themselves. Not in any game ever, when we played together.

The only reason I am pushing you is because I firmly believe you two to be scum, both independently and combined. You know Dkoba's reactions are bad. He is coming from a position of trying to control the narrative vs finding scum. The push on IV was ridiculous.

Oh I know their reactions are bad. I've told them such. Doesn't make them scum.
I think had you been more patient you would probably have a different read development on us if you're town. Koba's reading IV's Andres comment as serious is understandable as they pick up on things that shouldn't be prodded and decide to prod them anyway. My suggestion to Koba would have been to basically ignore IV's comment except as a small note. It didn't read as 100% claiming a hood to me.

-Justice

If you agree with me that dkoba's reactions and responses are bad, in the hood and the thread,

then why are you voting me

You are treating me like town here. I know you know that I am town, so your vote looks OMGUSSY.

[T3]

Mollie in the hood has seemed to be trying hard to find things that can be framed as scummy rather than trying to sort us - as if they want to start from a conclusion we are scum and work backwards from there. It doesn't feel genuine - and there is a way it is town in that they are playing with their ego and such - but my attempts at good faith engagement have been shot down constantly.

VOTE: Wright and Justice huehue

VOTE: iv
Your posts on page 4 didn’t sit quite right with me on a vibes level. Your progression on WJ also doesn’t seem good. You’re saying that you’re not an easy read, because koba said that you a dimly in your scum meta. Then, after koba makes no posts you just vote koba.
What changed?

i don't understand what ur saying here lol what do you find conflicting about my stances

Not conflicting. You said something, and then at the end of your string of posts voted WJ. Why?

[Wright and Justice]

Except to Gamma.

VOTE: pirate mollie
you're twisting the facts of what happened in that large theme and trying to paint me as scum for it. I lurked in that game in part because I was massively disengaged. Yes, I wasn't entirely comfortable there, but you are excluding a detail that I think is rather important to make your push go more smoothly. Nuh uh.

-Justice

So when you and Dkoba were comparing notes, did you tell him that I tend to get into TvT's? That would make sense with what is in our hood. We have never gotten into a TvT, ever. You know why? Because you are a good egg. Why? because you are

decent person

. You don't posture, you don't bully people, you don't stomp around and belittle people and try to make them feel bad about themselves. Not in any game ever, when we played together.

The only reason I am pushing you is because I firmly believe you two to be scum, both independently and combined. You know Dkoba's reactions are bad. He is coming from a position of trying to control the narrative vs finding scum. The push on IV was ridiculous.

Oh I know their reactions are bad. I've told them such. Doesn't make them scum.
I think had you been more patient you would probably have a different read development on us if you're town. Koba's reading IV's Andres comment as serious is understandable as they pick up on things that shouldn't be prodded and decide to prod them anyway. My suggestion to Koba would have been to basically ignore IV's comment except as a small note. It didn't read as 100% claiming a hood to me.

-Justice

If you agree with me that dkoba's reactions and responses are bad, in the hood and the thread,

then why are you voting me

You are treating me like town here. I know you know that I am town, so your vote looks OMGUSSY.

I just said why I'm voting you: you're twisting the events of my last scumgame against you to fit your narrative. That doesn't preclude me from trying to reason with you on the points you're bringing against koba. I would like if you engaged the bit I'm calling out as false.

-Justice