You are like a breath of fresh air.In post 345, AliceK wrote:Didn't find enough time to catch up, but from few first pages I think Wright and Justice is scum.
1) discussing mechanics and providing optimal strategy is a cheap way to get towncred, you don't need to do reads and probably people wouldn't reveal their hoods anyway. T3 got baited for that.
2) self-meta thing is something scummy as wellg
, I definitely can see Kobba trying to replicate the same style as scum.
If it worked as town why wouldn't it work as scum.
Also Mollie revealing their hood is quite controversial which usually comes from town as you can never know how town will react to that.
Mollie, T3 - town
Wright and Justice - scum
Will read the rest of the thread tomorrow. Probably I'm quite behind.
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Then focus on me, take your time, and reply to our dialogs.In post 372, pirate mollie wrote:
It is hard to get reads and respond thoughtfully to the thread, when W&J keeps spamming it. I am trying to be selective in my responses, because I am one 1 person responding to what feels like 20. I seriously need them to shut up for a minute.In post 338, HoldenGolden wrote:
I thought you loved me DokbaIn post 260, pirate mollie wrote:
wrt the italicized and the bold:In post 259, innocentvillager wrote:re pirate's 251 uh i think you again inferred some more stuff about my post than i was going for myself? i simply noted those two koba outburst posts as posts i probalby should've been getting a tonal read from but wasn't sure if it's actually town indicative or scum indicative.maybe you'll convince mecan you explain what you found towny about it?
are you asking me if I thinkyourpost is townie or W&J's?
I missed those two posts and I am taking a step back because I have grown to understand that neurodivergents have a completely different set of scumtells than neurotypicals. I misread Titus for years because of this, and it caused a lot of pain on both parts. We worked through it and now she is my favorite player and we send each other gifts.
Again, I am not abandoning my read. I am just shelving it for now.
The reason I am shelving it is because I want to think about it and I am waiting for other people to post.
I kind of want to vote Flea, 2 posts and 1 is a prod dodge. At this point I am wanting to lim one of the lurkers.
(Above is just random post I found where priate give something else then you guys. I'm quoting mainly to show that more needs to be said then general blanket statements that discredits both of you)
Anyways since 2v1 is your issue private mollie, takk with me. What do you think of Flea's last posts? Anyone else sparks your timbers?
I don't know! Gun to my head I would say town, but it isn't a ride or die. On a scale of 1 to 10, I would give that read a 2, with confidence. I will have to examine my bias in that they thought I had an amazing entrance, and I know I am susceptible to flattery.
What are your thoughts on other players thus far?
Treat it as they don't exist for 24 hours. It may be hard, but we will get more done that way. If nothing happens, we'll, you guys got 6 days to resume battle >:)
Id like if you use this oppertunity to formulate a good IV read. I'm interested in it because that's who I'm pushing, and your hood friend is interested in it too for other reasons that do not matter such much right now.
I've kinda stated my feelings on players throughout my posts but so far the tldr looks like:
IV: scum lean
You and WrightJustice: bundled trouble.
T3: townvibes
Flea: gut vibe town which I'm too drunk to deeply explain.
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Then may I ask who are your suspects right now?In post 373, T3 wrote:Not anymore. Koba’s point about how they are only high post count when town is true and even if that is untrue, that kind of observation often comes from town.
I think you said IV long ago but my reading comprehension is shut rn
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That sounds creepy.In post 346, Wright and Justice wrote:
Yeah their later posts being super wishywashy is what I expect from scum IV.In post 342, HoldenGolden wrote:Eariler you were agreeing with IV that their meta covered stuff like that unless I'm not remembering. Is it mainly the connection that drives you to render them scummy or are you np longer thinking that's within the relem of town IV?
Pedit: I agree with the association.
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Uhm...what am I refuting? The question is addressed to IV. I try not to answer questions directed to other people, Guapo's Law and all that. Especially a player that I have a weak townread, but that you think is the FN and are voting them.In post 349, Wright and Justice wrote:
btw ^^ @mollie refute thisIn post 261, HoldenGolden wrote:I'm going to step away from reading Wright/Molie since I'm going back and forth and having WiFom issues with them and stuff like thread reaction (I can explain this but it would be a giant wishy washy blob so meh)
Reading through those that posted, I don't really like IV. While I understand that IV plays by PoE, their posts feel extraordinary uncommitted. Below is a subsection from their ISO with bold highlighting parts I deemed to be unwilling to commit.
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In these posts, it feels IV is purposely leaving the door open on a lot of their points. 162 in particular rubbed me the wrong way as it gives multiple reasons to back out of the read established in 161 which ALREADY talked in length about why their voting. As such, 162 feels redundant and displays a type of worry about appearing 'correct' that I associate with scum. In other words:IV seemed more concerned on justfiying the vote and providing a way out rather then committing to it.this is additionally alarming since the point was to apply pressure which is undermined by the rest of the posts.
Given how consistent this tone is as well, I am scumleaning them.
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IV: can you give me a working PoE of your headstate right now? Please try to inculde some rationale with it. If it is truely wishywashy, then please give me details upon why it's like that to you.
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You tried to engage me on a scum!IV read, right after they voted you.In post 355, Wright and Justice wrote:mollie has played a game that is predicated on avoiding engaging with anyone.
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in our hood I tried to engage mollie on reads on other slots before the hood was outted but mollie refused to - a pattern that can even be seen in this thread.
The next person you go after is Alice, who FOSED you.
Then you say that you think the friendly neighbor is in IV/Andres.
Now IV/Me are a scumteam.
I have asked you several times to point to the posts where I lied and you disproved them. Because I don't remember that happening.
I asked you something else and you never answered.
If you are town then the protown thing would be to go back and answer the questions in order to avoid hypocrisy (accusation aimed at me) because otherwise YOU are the one who is projecting your shit onme.
You have given zero reads with depth. "Oh Holden's town entrance looks good!", was your read on another player while demanding more depth from my reads in which I have repeatedly said, were weak due to not being enough content at the time. Oh! You said Flea's entrance looked good too.whew!-
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I already nuanced this in a previous post. Could you just iso me? I am getting exhausted.In post 360, HoldenGolden wrote:Actually I'm kinda confused so entertain me dear Wright.
You seem to be using meta a lot. This is fine despite my gripes with it. Have you considered mine at all in conjuction with your read?
I beleive I'm the only one so far that you haven't mentioned any past history (I have theories why), so I'm curious.
Also thanks for the T3 bit. I agree the read on IV is weak though the time it was given it makes sense? Again would like to see Mollie renewed stance on it.whew!-
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I am here but catching up.In post 366, HoldenGolden wrote:In post 359, pirate mollie wrote:Oh would be protown play to stop posting for an hour and allow other interaction to occur.
I am one person trying to post, and I can't keep up with both of you spamming the thread.Spoiler:
Look at me mollie, I am the captain right now.
Don't worry about the lawyers. I'm your counter lawyer. Confide in me. Talk to me. Don't worry about them right now and just come blabber to me about the game. I want to know things. Many things!whew!-
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I admit, I have no idea how to read you, but you weirdly chainsaw defend W&J here, and a couple of times before this , with hidden rules as to how you think mafia is played.In post 373, T3 wrote:Not anymore. Koba’s point about how they are only high post count when town is true and even if that is untrue, that kind of observation often comes from town.
You said you were scum in 5 recent games, what does your town play look like? Other than W&J's meta on you?whew!-
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wtfIn post 367, Wright and Justice wrote:WAIT UR PROFILE PIC IS A HORSE WTF I THOUGHT IT WAS A GORILLA
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Just IV. I think the other scum is in Alice/Flea and maybe Andres if I'm wrong.In post 377, HoldenGolden wrote:
Then may I ask who are your suspects right now?In post 373, T3 wrote:Not anymore. Koba’s point about how they are only high post count when town is true and even if that is untrue, that kind of observation often comes from town.
I think you said IV long ago but my reading comprehension is shut rn
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My townplay is usually low energy. I can link my most recent games when I'm on laptop tomorrow.In post 383, pirate mollie wrote:
I admit, I have no idea how to read you, but you weirdly chainsaw defend W&J here, and a couple of times before this , with hidden rules as to how you think mafia is played.In post 373, T3 wrote:Not anymore. Koba’s point about how they are only high post count when town is true and even if that is untrue, that kind of observation often comes from town.
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like lol what is this a case? Is this how we’re doing meta now? strong playerIn post 346, Wright and Justice wrote:
Yeah their later posts being super wishywashy is what I expect from scum IV.In post 342, HoldenGolden wrote:Eariler you were agreeing with IV that their meta covered stuff like that unless I'm not remembering. Is it mainly the connection that drives you to render them scummy or are you np longer thinking that's within the relem of town IV?
Pedit: I agree with the association.
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mollie feels tonally town here and ur omgus seems emotional because he’s tunneled on youIn post 334, Wright and Justice wrote:
VOTE: MollieIn post 331, pirate mollie wrote:
Yes. He left out the part about IV being easy to crack. He went after IV then backed off and he is in the hood saying that he thinks the FN is between is between IV/Andres. His only scumread is Alice, who has only posted twice, once to FOS you guys. :/In post 307, Wright and Justice wrote:
I mean, is Koba's description wrong? Koba outed who they thought might be FN, and didn't push the discussion past that point. And from personal experience, koba is notable as being able to pick up on certain PR tellsIn post 281, pirate mollie wrote:
So....In post 276, Wright and Justice wrote:I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)
It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.
this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.
This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.
-Justice
His priorities are clear; he is power role hunter over scumhunting. I mean in his head, his townreads should be IV/Andres/Flea/Me but that is the POV he is navigating from. He is just trying to cross off FN candidates.-
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I don't like your list.In post 376, HoldenGolden wrote:
Then focus on me, take your time, and reply to our dialogs.In post 372, pirate mollie wrote:
It is hard to get reads and respond thoughtfully to the thread, when W&J keeps spamming it. I am trying to be selective in my responses, because I am one 1 person responding to what feels like 20. I seriously need them to shut up for a minute.In post 338, HoldenGolden wrote:
I thought you loved me DokbaIn post 260, pirate mollie wrote:
wrt the italicized and the bold:In post 259, innocentvillager wrote:re pirate's 251 uh i think you again inferred some more stuff about my post than i was going for myself? i simply noted those two koba outburst posts as posts i probalby should've been getting a tonal read from but wasn't sure if it's actually town indicative or scum indicative.maybe you'll convince mecan you explain what you found towny about it?
are you asking me if I thinkyourpost is townie or W&J's?
I missed those two posts and I am taking a step back because I have grown to understand that neurodivergents have a completely different set of scumtells than neurotypicals. I misread Titus for years because of this, and it caused a lot of pain on both parts. We worked through it and now she is my favorite player and we send each other gifts.
Again, I am not abandoning my read. I am just shelving it for now.
The reason I am shelving it is because I want to think about it and I am waiting for other people to post.
I kind of want to vote Flea, 2 posts and 1 is a prod dodge. At this point I am wanting to lim one of the lurkers.
(Above is just random post I found where priate give something else then you guys. I'm quoting mainly to show that more needs to be said then general blanket statements that discredits both of you)
Anyways since 2v1 is your issue private mollie, takk with me. What do you think of Flea's last posts? Anyone else sparks your timbers?
I don't know! Gun to my head I would say town, but it isn't a ride or die. On a scale of 1 to 10, I would give that read a 2, with confidence. I will have to examine my bias in that they thought I had an amazing entrance, and I know I am susceptible to flattery.
What are your thoughts on other players thus far?
Treat it as they don't exist for 24 hours. It may be hard, but we will get more done that way. If nothing happens, we'll, you guys got 6 days to resume battle >:)
Id like if you use this oppertunity to formulate a good IV read. I'm interested in it because that's who I'm pushing, and your hood friend is interested in it too for other reasons that do not matter such much right now.
I've kinda stated my feelings on players throughout my posts but so far the tldr looks like:
IV: scum lean
You and WrightJustice: bundled trouble.
T3: townvibes
Flea: gut vibe town which I'm too drunk to deeply explain.
(Andrea's | Alice | facebone) are all moot. I have thoughts on some, but not enough to develop anything.
If you want to engage with me and determine my alignment, why are you not addressing the points that I have made against W&J, to see where I am coming from? I don't even know what your read on them is.
It seems you are trying to rushedly townbin us, with the early TvT assessment and the reiterative post here, and I am trying to weigh that in.whew!-
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btw this is the case on you ^ and its consistent with how your scum meta operates.In post 261, HoldenGolden wrote:I'm going to step away from reading Wright/Molie since I'm going back and forth and having WiFom issues with them and stuff like thread reaction (I can explain this but it would be a giant wishy washy blob so meh)
Reading through those that posted, I don't really like IV. While I understand that IV plays by PoE, their posts feel extraordinary uncommitted. Below is a subsection from their ISO with bold highlighting parts I deemed to be unwilling to commit.
Spoiler:
In these posts, it feels IV is purposely leaving the door open on a lot of their points. 162 in particular rubbed me the wrong way as it gives multiple reasons to back out of the read established in 161 which ALREADY talked in length about why their voting. As such, 162 feels redundant and displays a type of worry about appearing 'correct' that I associate with scum. In other words:IV seemed more concerned on justfiying the vote and providing a way out rather then committing to it.this is additionally alarming since the point was to apply pressure which is undermined by the rest of the posts.
Given how consistent this tone is as well, I am scumleaning them.
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IV: can you give me a working PoE of your headstate right now? Please try to inculde some rationale with it. If it is truely wishywashy, then please give me details upon why it's like that to you."A dark time is coming for our legal system...
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because THEY are tunneled on you my deepest apologies mollieIn post 395, innocentvillager wrote:
mollie feels tonally town here and ur omgus seems emotional because he’s tunneled on youIn post 334, Wright and Justice wrote:
VOTE: MollieIn post 331, pirate mollie wrote:
Yes. He left out the part about IV being easy to crack. He went after IV then backed off and he is in the hood saying that he thinks the FN is between is between IV/Andres. His only scumread is Alice, who has only posted twice, once to FOS you guys. :/In post 307, Wright and Justice wrote:
I mean, is Koba's description wrong? Koba outed who they thought might be FN, and didn't push the discussion past that point. And from personal experience, koba is notable as being able to pick up on certain PR tellsIn post 281, pirate mollie wrote:
So....In post 276, Wright and Justice wrote:I outted an FN read and they interpreted me as only fishing for FN(in the same post I outted a couple reads on Alice + Flea)
It's a misrepresentation and I won't elaborate one it because its blatantly antitown to share my PR reads when they are actually good.
this is the second time that Dkoba is answering a question aimed at me with the intent of discrediting me, before I had a chance to respond.
This is what I mean by trying to control the narrative in lieu of scumhunting.
-Justice
His priorities are clear; he is power role hunter over scumhunting. I mean in his head, his townreads should be IV/Andres/Flea/Me but that is the POV he is navigating from. He is just trying to cross off FN candidates.
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