Micro 1035: Commandless Chain of Command [game over!]

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: IV

Thanksgiving ego

[Dwlee99]

ok ok you twisted my arm
VOTE: IV

3 more to gooo

[Dwlee99]

Literally when LOL

[Dwlee99]

Literally when LOL

not this game but I did in the next pandemonium game lol

Did you just

Say you were scum

This game


Uhhh

[Dwlee99]

I just feel so much guilt whenever I roll scum you know

Like right now cause it sounds like you're once again saying you're scum

[Dwlee99]

Hello

[Dwlee99]

Did people miss IV saying he is scum

[Dwlee99]

Darby how goes it

[Dwlee99]

I guess it's hero solve time: salsa/IV

[Dwlee99]

Darby how goes it

Currently drowning in a never-ending pit of despair.

How's being scum treating you?

I'm never scum, which is opposite to the problem IV faces

[Dwlee99]

like both why is it hero solve time and why those two

Cause I got three votes out of RVS and if I'm right and town loses I get to complain post game

You claimed scum and salsa is giving me scum vibes

[Dwlee99]

So to be clear u think u r gonna die because of cvs and that is why u felt the need to hero solve this early?

You're thinking about my posts way more than I do rn

[Dwlee99]

IV there's like a 90% chance you're scum just in general

[Dwlee99]

I don't like to think my friends would lie to me about something so serious

[Dwlee99]

I guess it's hero solve time: salsa/IV

I actually think salsa is fine

Why

Like dwlee
Even independant of the possible scumplay, i dont like iv

Whatever reason you have

[Dwlee99]

@dwlee: at the very least, i don't think salsa is scum with iv - her lolvotes on tw/cycle seem to ~uninvolved~ / ~uninterested~ if she were scum with iv
like i think she'd have some sort of comment to you on that if partners with them, vs just lolvoting someone because they didn't vote yet

Ignoring the push on her partner doesn't seem like something salsa wouldn't do

[Dwlee99]

oh, absolutely. I think every time he starts a game he rolls a D6 and if it's higher than 2 he claims scum as promptly as possible for comedic value.

Ahhhhhhhh ok, thanks for the context

UNVOTE:

I still like dwlee tho

Aw thanks I like you too

[Dwlee99]

yeah true, its definitely part of the package to an extent. IV used to be really polarised but now he finds playing scum fun (I think) and I can only really read him by tormenting him. nicely.

I don't think Ico likes playing scum at all

[Dwlee99]

Wait, I just mixed up Ico and IV in my head so badly there, ignore that

[Dwlee99]

WAIT NO IT IS IV

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IV

[Dwlee99]

I don't think IV likes scum ! Final answer

[Dwlee99]

He did a good job in 9:12 surpressing it but iirc the whole scum chat was IV in pain

[Dwlee99]

Skitter and duck please be town, I am ultra manifesting it

[Dwlee99]

Darby are you like... for realsies here

[Dwlee99]

Also I do know IV, have played a few? times with them

[Dwlee99]

Darby are you like... for realsies here

To expand on this: I think I pushed Noraa until death in squid game on the fact that they asked a question about something that was in the town role pm. I've pushed people on "Idk I think you're scum" or "I looked at this ISO and got a vibe" or even more simple things. And that's later in the game. I think you're either horribly misinformed about how I play (which goes to show metabad :^)) or you're making up reasons to push me

[Dwlee99]

Also @darby, how well do u know dwlee?

Pedit oh huh do u think they really claim scum as scum then?

I don't know them well enough for that. I could see it happening as either but I think pushing there is good regardless of IV's alignment

[Dwlee99]

I think the way it kind of slipped out rather than directly is more likely scum though

[Dwlee99]

dw about it, my calculations strongly suggested dwlee would use the :^) face. we're unlikely to see anyone else using it.

except this post. this post is just for science.

I knew this because I've used it in the past

[Dwlee99]

Poooooky

If one of skitter/tw is scum I think the other is too (or rather, I'd like for it to be true because it makes their interactions super funny) but why do you think one of them is

[Dwlee99]

What about roast duck?

[Dwlee99]

somewhere in the Mod PT:

Pooky funny pass

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Cycle man
I'll go here cause I'm getting a vibe scum are inactive this game

[Dwlee99]

I'm really not sure how to parse this game, it feels a lot more one-dimensional over the last few pages than it really should with the events of the game so far.

-A

Am I the only one feeling this?

-A

Huuuuge same vibe

[Dwlee99]

Oh hi sorry

VOTE: Something_Smart

Idk what I'm doing rn

I think something bothered me before with SS

No I don't remember

[Dwlee99]

My week is alright, kinda busy, but alright. Just finishing up the semester etc. etc.

How is yours going?

[Dwlee99]

Well, go look for it...?

After class !

On my phone in math rn lol

[Dwlee99]

Oh so now we're wagoning IV .—.

[Dwlee99]

I've never seen a50 effort as any alignment, what is happening right now

[Dwlee99]

To the things said to/about me: my brain just do that and that's literally random chance a50

[Dwlee99]

Nevermind, S_S's reason for me being town feels too convoluted to be scum. Binning this for D1
UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

I am thinking of playing in a hydra with both skitter & Dwlee. It should be called "something"179

lmao

[Dwlee99]

Where were we

Okay since this is finally happening and the mind hack and worst wagons are boring

VOTE: IV

Claim please

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
Why no claim >>><<<

[Dwlee99]

Where were we

Okay since this is finally happening and the mind hack and worst wagons are boring

VOTE: IV

Claim please

Ok so why do you think I’m scum exactly?

I don't know who is scum

You're not townie

[Dwlee99]

Wouldn't scum just be able to claim something in the list?

[Dwlee99]

Is IV bad enough to not have a claim ready if he is scum

[Dwlee99]

No offense to IV

[Dwlee99]

I think I've seen town not claim more frequently than scum but I haven't been keeping track, admittedly

[Dwlee99]

Whether IV flips town or scum or you're gonna think I look weird with the unvote, won't you

[Dwlee99]

I think we need a flip. I wanted that to be IV but he is heavily hinting he is a PR / not claiming in a way I've seen town do a bunch of times before. Like that's exactly the thing I've seen Koba do a ton of times as town

[Dwlee99]

Whether IV flips town or scum or you're gonna think I look weird with the unvote, won't you

Why not go for one of my scum reads?? Do you TR them both?

Not Osuka

[Dwlee99]

Whether IV flips town or scum or you're gonna think I look weird with the unvote, won't you

Probably

sad

[Dwlee99]

I hadn't thought of that part of it

[Dwlee99]

We live in a society

[Dwlee99]

You're right that I didn't know scum had a fake claim @SS

[Dwlee99]

I actually completely get what something smart is saying about the game. I've felt the same way cause I'm a reactive type of player but it seems like everyone else is doing that too and then I'm just like .—. what do

[Dwlee99]

I think I believe the claim

I think by not claiming immediately IV had essentially claimed PR already, so he would have to use the fake claim if scum right?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: ss

Why this in response to me saying I agree with them and think their mindset makes sense

[Dwlee99]

Ya boy be going thru it during finals.

@Mod V/LA through the weekend

Mfw I learn Darby is in the game

[Dwlee99]

I want to bin SS and a50 as not the lim today

Why is skitter voting SS ahhh

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Skitter

[Dwlee99]

If we are this against D1 skitter I can go with osuka

Also get that skitter won't be around til tomorrow so it's kinda poopy if we go through with the lim on her now

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
Will be around tomorrow

[Dwlee99]

Why is TW awful? This and SS read I'm not getting at all which makes me think you're scum here

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Osuka
Would rather this over the duck but I will consolidate if we need to for deadline

[Dwlee99]

All my townreads are for similar reasons and dwlee is the odd one out in that list where I feel like I'd be townreading him too if he was town, and I'm not.

Duckling just makes the most sense as the active scum since I don't think this game makes any sense if there isn't at least one

I'm not entirely sure who would be scum if one isn't

-A

Why

[Dwlee99]

Why do you town read people but not me

Why is the worst the active scum

[Dwlee99]

Oh whoops

Sorry dwlee

-A

huh

[Dwlee99]

something smart is deciding vote once osuka/the worst vote their counter wagon. So I guess that's what we're doing

[Dwlee99]

I don't post all my thoughts in the thread which seems to be your issue

Also ty datisi and nw alyssa

[Dwlee99]

Oh vig is one-shot.

VOTE: no exe

VOTE: No Lim[/v]

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: No Lim

[Dwlee99]

Evens

[Dwlee99]

IV you shouldn't be giving ideas for who scum kill if we are no limming

[Dwlee99]

Wait that was hammer

[Dwlee99]

I tracked IV to skitter N1 and to no one on N2

[Dwlee99]

SS should claim next I think

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Something_Smart

Well this makes it easy lol

[Dwlee99]

I wasn't crumbing as a tracker in a 9p no

[Dwlee99]

I chose IV because multiple people thought the claim was suspicious/unlikely to be true. Based on the setup I knew that the roleblocker could give a fake non-kill night target so I targeted him again + he hammered the no lim before everyone checked in

[Dwlee99]

I tracked IV to skitter N1 and to no one on N2

? I’m pretty sure I visited skitter last night too LOL VOTE: dwlee

wtf unvote me

[Dwlee99]

you know scum have a roleblock right?

[Dwlee99]

there’s no way dwlee can get a no result in me if they’re tracker right?

not a no result, visited no one

[Dwlee99]

If you were roleblocked you visited no one last night

[Dwlee99]

dude unvote because if darby is here they just hammer. My result confirms you town

[Dwlee99]

~ the mafia will be given a 1-shot factional roleblock. like the factional nightkill, it will have to be assigned to one of the mafia members, and it will be visible to trackers/watchers.

[Dwlee99]

jfc

[Dwlee99]

So, I guess the way this went down is, scum realized that if only one of them claimed PR that it was going to be 4 PR claims 1 VT claim, and the VT claim would look the worst since why would scum both claim PR's if there were only 2 real PR's. Which I guess is true regardless of who the team is. But if you are to assume that the scum in me/Dwlee claimed PR out of (perceived) necessity, then it makes a lot more sense that Dwlee had to take a stab in the dark (presumably because IV used the mod provided one) than that I deliberately went into a 1v1 knowing that the conftown scumread me.

I don't think I would even leave you alive skitter, let alone force myself into a 1v1 that's an autoloss if I lose it with you deciding.

I wouldn't claim tracker as scum, something I'd have to make fake results for, over something else easy

Or I would have claimed something with known info (exactly like darby did saying skitter wasn't a PR after she claimed it)

[Dwlee99]

wait is it possible for iv to be scum with my result

[Dwlee99]

doesn't really matter unless we get to next day phase anyway

[Dwlee99]

Well just looking at you/iv, either he's lying, forgot to submit an action n2, or you're lying

He could have been roleblocked

[Dwlee99]

I didn't put a much thought into who the vig was because I wanted to check IV again and I figured vig would claim the next day anyway

[Dwlee99]

I didn't put a much thought into who the vig was because I wanted to check IV again and I figured vig would claim the next day anyway

why did you want to check me twice again?

so the consensus here is dwlee can only be town here if scum roleblocked me correct? there’s no other way he can be town? Just want to make sure I am understanding this

If you acted twice on people that didn't die you'd be conftown, which is extremely valuable

[Dwlee99]

Knowing that skitter didn't die and that the shot went through means you're also conftown to be rn so it worked out

[Dwlee99]

is it really that bad if i block scum's kill at evens tho when town literally just NE'd? i don't get why scum would feel the need to spend their 1-shot block on me

scum could have been pr hunting and so it could make sense to try to remove that possibility. A50 and darby are two people who didn't talk yesterday, so you really should have tried to doc one of them but guess it didn't matter anyway

[Dwlee99]

yea a50 iso, it literally had to be an attempt at shooting a pr cause there's like nothing of substance in there

[Dwlee99]

This is also part of why I opposed the iv lim btw, I figured I could guilty him if he wasn't actually a PR

[Dwlee99]

also how the fuck do you think I'd guess your n1 target unless I'm literally psychic

[Dwlee99]

You could have totally been using the roleblock the first time, and a second result confirms you which is stronger than any probable clear instead

[Dwlee99]

And if I were scum I could have just said anyone else had no result unless I actually roleblocked you and was worried about a watcher (but that would still give a 1v1 so)

[Dwlee99]

If you didn't counterclaim me I still had the equivalent of a guilty on you. You couldn't have known I had a clear on IV until my post, so you couldn't have known that you should have counterclaimed skitter earlier

[Dwlee99]

I hadn't thought of it until your arguments either, especially given I showed up to the thread and just claimed without realizing the consequences (as otherwise I would have just voted you right away)

[Dwlee99]

I tracked IV to skitter N1 and to no one on N2

SS should claim next I think

VOTE: Something_Smart

Well this makes it easy lol

If I'm scum and my goal is to indirectly guilty S_S/Darby, why would I be asking for the claim and not just voting one of them immediately

[Dwlee99]

there’s no way dwlee can get a no result in me if they’re tracker right?

not a no result, visited no one

Did you circle back to why you didn't visit anyone? I don't think I fully caught that.

IV didn't visit anyone, not me

[Dwlee99]

I mean presumably that wasn't your goal, it was just incidental.

This is a perspective slip. If I were scum with IV, how would my goal be anything else unless I didn't even realize what my claim would do before claiming it. That I didn't immediately know the consequences shows that I saw day, saw result, and claimed it without thinking

[Dwlee99]

Your goal would be to back up IV's claim

So I say he went nowhere on N2 why then?

I still don't get this in regards to the context of 601. Could you please break it down a bit more because it's not clicking for me.

IV knew he had a doctor fakeclaim and deliberately stalled out for a couple of different possible reasons. 601 is simultaneously distancing (because Dwlee knew it wasn't the real reason) and defending (because Dwlee is arguing IV is town).

I was on the one who put IV on E-1, if he was trying to "verify a claim" with me, that conversation would have happened before that

[Dwlee99]

Where were we

Okay since this is finally happening and the mind hack and worst wagons are boring

VOTE: IV

Claim please

ah there’s the E1 (:

and no I’m not claiming rn wtf

oh jeez we only have 3 days? Double wtf

okok fine if I don’t have anything good for you guys in ~48 hrs I’ll claim.

Like if I'm scum with him couldn't I have just gone "IV claim <blank>" when I E-1'd him instead of him stalling to "verify" with me?

[Dwlee99]

It's really unfortunate for SS/Darby cause I think Skitter was very likely the mislim if she wasn't confirmed, and if I didn't have a clear on IV it would be IV

[Dwlee99]

IV and I both had expressed suspicion on skitter so you likely would have pushed there

[Dwlee99]

Darby's role claim actually makes a lot of sense if the plan was to claim a guilty on skitter today now that I think of it

[Dwlee99]

IV and I both had expressed suspicion on skitter so you likely would have pushed there

Why didn't I CC her then

You didn't know I had a clear...

[Dwlee99]

Cause why would you take a 1v1 before you knew you needed to

[Dwlee99]

Highest chance to win would be not taking a one on one, which you don't have to if I don't have a clear

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee has a track record with at least one game with them where they pulled a really interesting gambit and end game'd (and won). If this is actually the case I wouldn't be surprised.

what game was this / what was the gambit?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87956

I claimed a guilty on my partner and then the next day said it was a fake guilty that I did to push the lim through and that there wasn't actually a guilty

[Dwlee99]

Highest chance to win would be not taking a one on one, which you don't have to if I don't have a clear

If skitter is the most likely to be voted this is just not true

I'm pretty sure it is? It's you vs skitter directly in one scenario and the other is any in four could be picked instead, which gives you more room to work with

[Dwlee99]

ok i guess my question is why does dwlee need to back up iv anyways?

Because he's a PR claim who hasn't died or done anything? You don't think people might sus him for still being alive?

Also it feels like you're mad your plan failed

[Dwlee99]

It's easier to win an argument against the person who was my top townread with someone who has vocally scumread me as the conftown decider?

uh yes >.>
if you're in a 'mechanical conflict' with your top townread the fact that you townred them is sort of irrelevant

also generally i think most people probably think i'm harder to win an argument against than dwlee (<3 dwlee)

Forgiven

[Dwlee99]

It is implausible but it's what happened

[Dwlee99]

If I'm scum here I'm literally psychic

[Dwlee99]

but again I think it was guessable as I’ve mentioned before

You literally opened D2 with a skitter scumread

[Dwlee99]

welp that’s two town Hypercarries dead

VOTE: skitter

So the other one MUST be scum

It's a joke but it's not exactly a townread either

[Dwlee99]

What would have changed your opinion between N1 and D2 besides who died?

[Dwlee99]

This is pointless though. If you think the solve is me and SS we can resolve it tomorrow

[Dwlee99]

If we kill SS I'll tell you why it's darby and not me tomorrow

[Dwlee99]

SS using psychic powers to predict the VT didn't go anywhere

[Dwlee99]

If we kill SS I'll tell you why it's darby and not me tomorrow

? well we might not kill SS today

i would rather have a good idea of what the solve is today

Well the other option is me and then the game is over so...

[Dwlee99]

Skitter actually thinks I'm psychic

[Dwlee99]

I had a really good picture of weird Al with a tinfoil hat but I don't feel like trying to find it rn

[Dwlee99]

It's like one in 7

[Dwlee99]

It's like one in 7

One in 6 and from how he's been talking about me,not crazy to think it would be me

It's actually 1 in 5 now that I think of it

8 alive in night, one is IV, two of them died, so that's 5 choices

Okay maybe I could have guessed if I wanted to

[Dwlee99]

babysitter
doctor
tracker
lazy jailkeeper
lazy roleblocker
1-shot friendly neighbour
1-shot neapolitan
1-shot loyal vigilante
1-shot watcher

@ss well if scum is claiming a pr here tracker is probably one of the easier ones, no?

Oh this makes a good point

If I wanted to gamble on IV visiting you, I could have claimed watcher on you N1 and then I wouldn't need anything about a went nowhere N2

[Dwlee99]

Although watcher would also be making the same gamble r.e. darby as well

I don't follow

If I wanted to gamble on IV visiting you, I could have claimed watcher on you N1 and then I wouldn't need anything about a went nowhere N2

I mean the N2 isn't any kind of gamble, it doesn't really add or remove anything from the claim. So I'm not sure why this would be intrinsically better. (And yeah it would risk another CC from whoever's town in me/DArby.)

The watcher is one shot so there wouldn't be a N2 result to have to makeup if I'm scum

[Dwlee99]

Well if you watched me n1 iv is a reasonable guess, not sure you'd have been able to guess darby on me

Darby and IV couldn't have both visited you N1 fmpov

[Dwlee99]

If we kill SS I'll tell you why it's darby and not me tomorrow

? well we might not kill SS today

i would rather have a good idea of what the solve is today

Well the other option is me and then the game is over so...

Oh also fmpov ik Dwlee is scum now. There’s no way they can have that confidence it’s me, not share it, and I’m town (which I know).

You know I have an indirect guilty on you right

[Dwlee99]

I chose IV because multiple people thought the claim was suspicious/unlikely to be true.

Based on the setup I knew that the roleblocker could give a fake non-kill

night target so I targeted him again + he hammered the no lim before everyone checked in

can you explain this again dwlee plz?

IV visiting you could have been him using the roleblock

Dwlee i dont even think you have to be psychic at all as scum - if you guess iv's action wrong the team crom your pov just becomes iv/ss vs darby/ss, no?

Since you're already in a mechanical cc with ss i'm not sure it becomes so much mote risky to cc iv as well

If IV didn't visit you and I say he did, wouldn't that confirm me scum? Cause my result would have confirmed him town and his counterclaim would make me scum

[Dwlee99]

No, it just means someone's lying in you two as well?
Doesnt automatically mean you're the liar

But my result implies IV town

[Dwlee99]

You actually think I'm psychic

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

I don't think darby realizes I have essentially a guilty on him still either

[Dwlee99]

Or at the very least, he is acting like he doesn't understand

[Dwlee99]

And I continue to not understand why you think Dwlee makes a guess that gets them immediately killed if wrong. That is not a gambit, that's just stupid. There was even a chance Dwlee got called out before I got to counterclaim them. That wouldn't benefit a hypothetical Dwlee/S_S team at all.

I think the you/me solve is ridiculous too

[Dwlee99]

I don't think darby realizes I have essentially a guilty on him still either

Or at the very least, he is acting like he doesn't understand

It’s not that I don’t understand it’s that I (respectfully) am apathetic. I don’t know how you want me to respond if fmpov you are confirmed scum and I know I’m town. You can’t convince me I’m a role I know I’m not so I don’t see what there is to respond to.

Wasn't your argument earlier that I was scum cause I wasn't pushing you hard even though I know you're scum

And now you're arguing that you are apathetic and don't care

[Dwlee99]

Me and Darby gonna be on pay-per-view tomorrow

What should we set the price

[Dwlee99]

I also don't think it matters rn

[Dwlee99]

We just have to think of what we will be charging the viewers of our fight

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee as town should know that even if I'm executed today, skitter lives to see tomorrow and probably votes Dwlee.

Dwlee as scum doesn't care about any of that. Hence that flippant post.

I think I can burn that bridge when I get there

being pragmatic about my time isn't "flippant"

[Dwlee99]

Tomorrow, skitter wants to vote me

I remind her I'm not a motherfucking psychic

Hopefully that and answering any questions she has is good enough but

[Dwlee99]

Fwiw part of the reason i think darby is town is the pyp ...

I'll read more later

I think he played worse there cause he was already in a bad position when he got into the game

I also don't think he has appeared townie here either but ofc it's different when you know someone's scum to look for scummy things

[Dwlee99]

I've already said this but if I was scum with IV and E-1ing him I could have (and would have) told him what to claim

[Dwlee99]

okay lim darby tomorrow

[Dwlee99]

jk no troll

[Dwlee99]

i don't think i've been that wrong in a while :/

I think we were very unaligned looking. I think coming to that conclusion from outside of SS's perspective is unlikely

[Dwlee99]

Ty skitter

[Dwlee99]

IV our theater was so fun, I had a very good time reading your posts

Also I told IV to claim doctor in our scum chat and he's like "okay" and then I ask him to claim in thread and he goes "wtf no ew not doing that" LOL

That ended up being anti-associative for us which was good but it was also very funny

[Dwlee99]

I also rolled goon twice in a row with Datisi

[Dwlee99]

Oh right I was a backup ascetic. My memory is so good

[Dwlee99]

Haha completely fair, and it worked out!

[Dwlee99]

I had fun ^-^

I think three power roles kinda stunk but also we missed them with three night kills so

[Dwlee99]

It's probably fine? Not sure