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[Dwlee99]

I think an argument against Dwlee scum is that scum wouldn’t openly brag about starting a wagon on someone that they know for sure is town? That’s only one point, though, so I’m not sure.

Dwlee— why would hammering instead of letting people react benefit town at all? I feel like scum motivation behind that would be trying to stop further discussion and prevent votes from moving off of the mislim.

If it wasn't aza it would go to t3. If t3 is town then I wouldn't as scum because I'd get a claim out of t3. If t3 is scum the scum motivation would prevent the wagon moving from there

That’s a fallacious argument. If T3 is town it would still be a motivation for a scum to hammer Azaria before the votes can move off of them. If Azaria survives and becomes townread, that would narrow down the limpool and create a more difficult path towards the scum win condition.

If t3 is town and people move and hammer him over aza, then aza would for sure remain in the lim pool

[Dwlee99]

Tbh natalya I'm confused why more people aren't pushing me. Like, maybe you're scum and your buddies don't want to align with you too hard like that?

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: vote counts

Votecount 1.7

T3(4)

~ Andante(119), fua(51), Dwlee99(31), the worst(66)

Dwlee99(3)

~ Natalya(55), Oman(17), Azaariah(23)

Scorpious(2)

~ Egix96(9), T3(37)

UglyDuck(1)

~ Andresvmb(5)

the worst(1)

~ Retti(53)

Egix96(1)

~ Scorpious(65)

Andresvmb(1)

~ UglyDuck(6)


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muffindoggo

Votecount 1.8

UglyDuck(5)

~ Andresvmb(5), the worst(69), Dwlee99(43), fua(60), Scorpious(72)

Dwlee99(3)

~ Natalya(60), Oman(19), Azaariah(27)

Scorpious(2)

~ Egix96(9), T3(38)

T3(1)

~ Andante(119)

Andresvmb(1)

~ UglyDuck(6)


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Erwin

Votecount 1.9

UglyDuck(5)

~ Andresvmb(10), the worst(74), Dwlee99(100), fua(66), Scorpious(86)

Dwlee99(5)

~ Natalya(85), Oman(19), Azaariah(27), UglyDuck(11), T3(45)

T3(2)

~ Andante(138), Retti(79)

Scorpious(1)

~ Egix96(9)


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Frank

Votecount 1.10

Dwlee99(4)

~ Oman(39), Natalya(85), Azaariah(38), T3(45)

UglyDuck(3)

~ Andresvmb(10), Scorpious(88), Gamma Emerald(18)

T3(3)

~ Andante(138), Retti(97), the worst(79)

Azaariah(2)

~ UglyDuck(18), Dwlee99(158)


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Durger

Votecount 1.11

T3(4)

~ Retti(101), the worst(81), fua(80), Dwlee99(162)

Dwlee99(4)

~ Oman(39), Natalya(88), Azaariah(38), T3(47)

Azaariah(4)

~ UglyDuck(31), Gamma Emerald(23), Andresvmb(18), Andante(142)

UglyDuck(1)

~ Scorpious(89)


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Foxger

Votecount 1.Eliminate

Azaariah(7)

~ UglyDuck(31), Gamma Emerald(23), Andresvmb(18), Andante(142), Scorpious(91), fua(83), Dwlee99(168) -- HAMMER

Dwlee99(4)

~ Oman(39), Natalya(93), Azaariah(39), T3(47)

T3(2)

~ Retti(101), the worst(81)


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Delilah

Looking at these vote counts... some people just hella sticky to me. Only uglyduck moved off of me in this entire sequence which spanned 4 days. I'm also pretty sure no one else in the game voted and unvoted me in between vote counts. That feels weird to me

[T3]

i literally did not read aza's flip until now
VOTE: d w l e e

[Dwlee99]

okay t3 scum claim let's go

[fua]

i literally did not read aza's flip until now
VOTE: d w l e e

Explain.

[fua]

I would really like to hear T3’s reasoning behind any of the decisions he’s made in this game. Most (if not all) of his votes have literally just been him hopping onto an existing easy wagon with zero original reasoning and just echoing what others say instead.

[T3]

i want dwlee dead
i think they're scum
i think natalya is town

the way they keep brushing off my slot seems like scum trying to act too natural

[fua]

Not like there’s really that much to rebut in the first place.

[Scorpious]

Look if someone hammered there without claim that's basically a scum claim so I'm really not pressed about it, no matter how you feel about putting someone at e-1

This is interesting..

[fua]

Look if someone hammered there without claim that's basically a scum claim so I'm really not pressed about it, no matter how you feel about putting someone at e-1

This is interesting..

Azaariah did claim though.

[Scorpious]

Look if someone hammered there without claim that's basically a scum claim so I'm really not pressed about it, no matter how you feel about putting someone at e-1

This is interesting..

Azaariah did claim though.

Did, but no claim was ever going to stop it.

[Dwlee99]

i want dwlee dead
i think they're scum
i think natalya is town

the way they keep brushing off my slot seems like scum trying to act too natural

You ever do that catchup?

[Dwlee99]

Look if someone hammered there without claim that's basically a scum claim so I'm really not pressed about it, no matter how you feel about putting someone at e-1

This is interesting..

Azaariah did claim though.

Did, but no claim was ever going to stop it.

I mean if aza claimed pr I would have stopped to consider it... but it was literally "I'm vt and will self-hammer if everyone is okay with that : ("

My mind immediately went to this:

-snip-

I don’t understand your case or why people like it

first part looks like a literal summary of my play okay it’s just an entrance you said nothing AI about it

the time thing wasn’t based on my post, it’s based on datisi’s post and the posts after that, so it WAS less than 24 hours after my entrance that I came in

I don’t know why it’s so hard for people to understand that I forgot about this game and I literally JUST started playing so at that point I just gave initial impressions for like 20 min?

Then the rest of the “case” just looks like narrative “oh lol iv is defending himself and doesn’t give reads”

of course I am defending myself I just got flashwagoned ?

whatever honestly I don’t really care about this game rn VOTE: innocentvillager goodbye

i am vanilla townie btw so just hammer away whatever.

VOTE: innocentvillager

Fine?

innocentvillager has been executed ! he was...

Spoiler:

Mafia Innocent Child Finder Vigilante Finder

Welcome ! You are a

Mafia Innocent Child Finder Vigilante Finder

You are a member of the Mafia, along with [PEOPLES], you may discuss at any time in your private topic here, you may also choose to be the one performing the factional kill each night, you may also perform only 1 action per night

Each night, you may choose to check if someone is an Innocent Child

Each night, you may choose to check if someone is a Viglante

You win if the Mafia survives to see all threats to them, the game thread is here

Night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-10-02 10:00:43)

and I thought ok bye aza

[Scorpious]

I’m ok with this.

[Scorpious]

Yo t3 is here let's goooo

Tic
Tac
Toe

Can either of you explain this?

[Natalya]

you are not enchant, you play nothing like enchant... using enchant quickhammering as an excuse is just ???

can you even show me a game where you quickhammer on day 1 minutes after a claim where you are town? you have plenty of completed games on this site right?

we had an entire day+ before deadline

you hammered aza MINUTES after aza claimed, giving nobody a chance to even react to aza's claim/ate.

and also

when did you even begin to suspect aza of being mafia ? That's not clear at all from your iso, walk me through your mindset and why you decided you needed to kill aza right there and then.

[Dwlee99]

i literally did not read aza's flip until now

also I'm pretty sure this is literally just a scum claim

I mean I always open the flip regardless of my alignment but when I'm town I am glued to that shit waiting to open it. I was sitting there like "georgebailey please" to do so

[Dwlee99]

you are not enchant, you play nothing like enchant... using enchant quickhammering as an excuse is just ???

can you even show me a game where you quickhammer on day 1 minutes after a claim where you are town? you have plenty of completed games on this site right?

we had an entire day+ before deadline

you hammered aza MINUTES after aza claimed, giving nobody a chance to even react to aza's claim/ate.

and also

when did you even begin to suspect aza of being mafia ? That's not clear at all from your iso, walk me through your mindset and why you decided you needed to kill aza right there and then.

I mean I've probably done it before? Maybe? As I said, I thought aza was doing the exact thing that iv did and went okay hammer button time.

I thought aza was scum when they just kept repeating that shit about how me correctly interpreting your post was scum-indicative and had no thoughts on any of the new stuff and ignored me responding to their point about it

[Scorpious]

you are not enchant, you play nothing like enchant... using enchant quickhammering as an excuse is just ???

can you even show me a game where you quickhammer on day 1 minutes after a claim where you are town? you have plenty of completed games on this site right?

we had an entire day+ before deadline

you hammered aza MINUTES after aza claimed, giving nobody a chance to even react to aza's claim/ate.

and also

when did you even begin to suspect aza of being mafia ? That's not clear at all from your iso, walk me through your mindset and why you decided you needed to kill aza right there and then.

Would you have changed your vote based on the claim alone?

[Dwlee99]

Yo t3 is here let's goooo

Tic
Tac
Toe

Can either of you explain this?

In this one game I said

Tic
Tac
Toe

To t3 because haha three ts, t3, haha, funny joke

He was mafia and thought I was claiming to be his traitor (iirc)

I was town lol

[Dwlee99]

i literally did not read aza's flip until now

also I'm pretty sure this is literally just a scum claim

I mean I always open the flip regardless of my alignment but when I'm town I am glued to that shit waiting to open it. I was sitting there like "georgebailey please" to do so

We also got a pm with the flip soooo???

[Natalya]

Would you have changed your vote based on the claim alone?

I never voted for Aza

[Oman]

I've read back through those 20 pages, and honestly, I'm still hard on Dwlee for the same reasons. Especially insofar as the last two pages reinforce that. It's hard to consider Dwlee as "scumhunting" or "solving" when they're just so obsessed with who is voting them. Even seeing the "if i was a vig I'd vig you tonight" is such a damn frustrating thing to read because if you're scum it all tracks so hard, but if you're town it's so unhelpfully antagonistic.


A vote on Dwlee is -3, which I'm not sweating right now, but I am going to hold any vote past -3 until we see some more from the forgotten members of this game.

[Natalya]

I mean I've probably done it before? Maybe? As I said, I thought aza was doing the exact thing that iv did and went okay hammer button time.

I am asking you for an example of a time where town!you decided to quickhammer someone right after they claimed to cut day short and not let anyone else react to the claim.

In my opinion that is a strictly +++scum move.

If you have an example of you ever doing this as town, then obviously it's not a scumclaim as it's something you've done before as town.