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[Something_Smart]

Ydrasse, how do you feel about the GL/Dats wagon?

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Another vote on GL/Dats is one away from death

[Alyssa The Lamb]

Should I be worried that GL and Galron have both been gone for about two days?

[Something_Smart]

Another vote on GL/Dats is one away from death

That too, although I'm not sure quickhammering would be a smart play for scum even if GL/Dats are T/T.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Galron has been prodded

[Something_Smart]

Good timing.

[RH9]

Should I be worried that GL and Galron have both been gone for about two days?

GL hasn't yet. But it is concerning that both of them seem to be lurking.

[RH9]

We have four days left. Maybe voting GL and putting him at E-1 will bring him back. It has worked in the past.
VOTE: GL

[GuiltyLion]

Can you give the exact quotes from Aly's ISO that lead you to this conclusion?

This whole sequence where she jumpstarted an Andante wagon:

I find her copying of my reads/pushes to be concerning but ive been chalking it down as she isn't invested and she just townreads me. I have no idea or trust on my read on her. I am not gonna sit here and play defense on our lim.

okay, I looked at a few of her past games and noted some rather interesting things

She's capable of top posting as town in fast paced games, as well as keeping up
She's capable of expressing thoughts as they come to her as town
She's expressed a similar type of response to being suspected in one of her scumgames
She's expressed pretty over the top emotions in one of her scumgames

There's also something particularly interesting I noted in her ISO at some point, but I'll have to see if I want to post quotes about it or not

I noticed it particularly when I was doing the homework that Taly and I agreed to do a few days ago

she had the single worst trajectory towards townreading me of every player in the game, and it's actually one that I strongly suspect was influenced by the scum PT in some way because of how unnatural it is

I find her copying of my reads/pushes to be concerning but ive been chalking it down as she isn't invested and she just townreads me. I have no idea or trust on my read on her. I am not gonna sit here and play defense on our lim.

okay, I looked at a few of her past games and noted some rather interesting things

She's capable of top posting as town in fast paced games, as well as keeping up
She's capable of expressing thoughts as they come to her as town
She's expressed a similar type of response to being suspected in one of her scumgames
She's expressed pretty over the top emotions in one of her scumgames

There's also something particularly interesting I noted in her ISO at some point, but I'll have to see if I want to post quotes about it or not

She's capable of top posting as town in fast paced games, as well as keeping up - Yeah that's a fact, I never said I was incapable of it here, I've been busy with real life, preventing me from sitting here 24/7 posting. Usually I just do nothing IRL and post a lot, it's super bad, I'll get nothing done

She's capable of expressing thoughts as they come to her as town- Yeah, I've been doing so here?

She's expressed a similar type of response to being suspected in one of her scumgames - Uh I only have 1 recent scum game I believe, No town, everything else is a lot older, so I'm glad we're using meta!!

She's expressed pretty over the top emotions in one of her scumgames - feel free to link a game, cause I can definitely go find you a passionate towngame lol


So what I'm hearing is "Andante hasn't done anything this game and is perfectly capable of it"
And to that I say, yeah I know. I am. However, there is 5000 posts and I've probably read no more than 3000 of them, and every single page is just spam/people repeating the same stuff, so I'm just like "whatever... not worth my time" And when I am here no one wants to interact with me, I think RH9 is the only one who has, so I'm litterally just having a good time, listening to stuff said, and agreeing/disagreeing with stuff. it's not really that hard. not my fault I've literally been ignored 90% of the time I've been here

the individual parts by themselves don't mean anything

together they paint that you find it easier to get engaged into a game as town and tend to push your emotions more when you're scum, probably as a way to compensate for not being able to push it with your thoughts naturally when they're not genuine

just based on what I've seen from this game, that is an entirely reasonable read on your personality

what I've noticed is that you've been struggling to maintain your emotions while providing thoughts at the same time

I'm not seeing you just post stuff whenever you think of it, it looks a lot more manufactured than that

I've noticed quite a few times where you start with an overexaggerated show of emotion before throwing out a bunch of posts or general thoughts all at once; a lot of the times you don't, there's really not much there relevant to the game itself

and I've seen very little emotion a lot of the time you do have game progressing thoughts, they're very commonly separated from each other

Spoiler:

Gentlemen
Galron
Datisi*
Catboi *
Marcistar *
RH9


Ladies
Prism NorwegianboyEE
GuiltyLion
Cabd Something_Smart *
angielily *
Alyssa the Lamb
Malakittens *


Let me ship some more people.
catboi + Malakittens - obvious reason. strongest ship!
marci + angie - they both want to be partners yet people were all "NOOOO" I ship it
dats + SS - both are hard to read, I think they'd be funny trying to work together - perfect ship
Galron + Lion - Galron + Lion = PERFECT
RH9 + Alyssa - We're not leaving Alyssa behind!


gg I solved the pairs. now lets make them happen

Norwee and Titus, it literally feels like anytime I say anything both yall just go "ew" or" yeah andante scum" like seriously, this is getting old. rather than just head to bed I figured I'd jumpin here, try and talk with people, but literally when yall say stuff like you do, it makes me not even care anymore. last time it was Titus, this time it's Norwee, like seriously. if yall hate what I'm saying so much, tell me what you want. not just "give me reads list" like if yall are town, you should be trying to realize I'm actually town, cause let me say, the way people are acting towards me this game is the biggest reason I'm lacking any motivation to care.

I can relate but your not one of the people I hold responsible for that in my case anyway. So who do you think is scum here? I don’t think it’s you because of Happy Face but I’m not sure who is yet.

Well I was going to look for this s/s pair that I believe we have tonight, I figured that's a good start, but we have killed my mood for the night so that's not happening, and I also really need to find t/t pairs, cause my normal ISO strat is going to go nowhere with all the replacements. I'm just gonna get a good nights sleep and comeback to this.
Like, I know I haven't outed strong reads like everyone or whatever, but truth is, there's been nothing I felt was read worthy, I felt like saying "oh hey these gentlemen are scum" cause that's what others were doing, and I figured I'd gain reactions. nope. I have no idea how people were outing super confident "endgame reads" before we even got the mala flip, like, idk, I'd play this game completely differently to how everyone else is playing, and that's why we're at 2500 posts, and most people don't have mega confident reads... Alyssa is like the main person I've liked though, she's felt very relatable with a lot of comments made, so gun to my head, she's town. like, there was a comment like "I should just disappear till pairs are done" and I was sitting here like, yeah same... and not pulling up her ISO, she had other ones when I was like "yep. I'm feeling exactly the same right now" plus her passing on fire when scum!Alyssa easily could've paired with fire, and like, waited late to pair? she's probably town, but a singular townread gets me nowhere here without having a read on the partner, and I have no read on RH9 yet

Everybody, rank each pair (except mine - calling IC privilege) on how likely you believe scum resides in them.

Town
Firebringer + Andante - Fireis town
Galron + Something_Smart - no reads on either, so by poe they're here
RH9 + Alyssa The Lamb - Alyssa I TR, RH9 is mehhh
Datisi + Guiltylion - Datisi scum lean
Marcistar + NorwegianboyEE - Norwee scum
Save The Dragons + Titus - Titus and Dragons are SRs
Shiro + Harley Quinn - Harley scum
Scum

oooh I have barely any reads, but I do TR alyssa!!! I actually already explained why too!! To not tr alyssa here? interesting

I agree with alyssa rh9 as endgame pair

I said I would stop talking to Harley, goddammit. This feels like actual productive discussion though.

Anyway I townread both RH9 and Alyssa. RH9 because as previously mentioned he sent out three proposals pretty late in pre-dance and he strikes me as the type to plan out his pairings more carefully as scum whereas that feels like genuine fear of getting left with a shit partner. His current play is not towny per se but he got enough towncred to be accepted by Alyssa and he doesn't seem to be trying to take advantage of that at all.

Alyssa... feels... like town? I know she would say this is bullshit, and it probably is. But the way she has reacted to the game, especially today, does not feel like she's trying to control it, at a time when the gamestate is very volatile and scum getting control of it would be extremely valuable to them.

And to S_S, why is not trying to control the game town indicative? If the game is currently in a state where scum doesn't need to care, why would theoretical scum!Alyssa care too?
Essentially when Harley has dominated most of the discourse lately. I don't see why scum should need to bother at all.

Wait yeah, why would not controlling the game be town indicative? if town is leading themselves down the wrong path, there's no need for maf to step in. Town is clearly wrong somewhere, that's why Mala, the town, was left behind

I'm struggling for scumreads if slots I previously suspected like S_S (or HQ) might be town, and I don't really have a particularly compelling reason to think you've done anything this game that you couldn't do as scum. I think you have a fair point that you have posted similarly shallow/fake-sounding posts as town, but it's really hard for me to look at anything you've posted and feel like scum!RH9 can't or wouldn't post that. The "fake" feeling is that a lot of your posts feel to me like an emulation of what you think solving sounds like, like you're trying to post things you think you would post as town rather than posting genuinely

I love that GL is admitting this, like, yeah. Reads aren't easy here, and so many people are trying to make this black and white, like, it feels good to know I'm not the only one struggling on reads,like sure the exact struggles are different, but the concept is there. And people with 2-3 endgame pairs?? bruh.. Alyssa RH9 is like the only pair I'd really feel comfortable with at the moment, and even then, if I saw a compelling case against RH9, I may reconsider.
It's just super annoying to come back 12 hours later, to 10+ pages of people "solving" and no clear outcome after spamming stuff, so then I'm behind. and I like real time interactions, but missing context means I have to go read ISOs/whatnot then I just missed a few pages of real time talk, so that's why I really want to sit down, and figure out where my head is at, but bydoing that I know it ends in a tunnel, which ehhhh I'd rather do this, but by doing this, I have no read on half the table. tldr, I'm just trying to keep up, Fire and I do nothing in the PT, I'm kinda having doubts on fire, but it's a later issue, I legit thought he'd lol leave by now, also why I've been hesitant to really do a whole lot, cause yeah.

good times, I went on an irrelevant tangent, but what's new?

this set of posts is every single one where she indicates any kind of read on me, including one extra one that may or may not be interesting to somebody else, personally it isn't really to me

I mentioned at some point before that I thought all these townreads on me was particularly bizarre, since while I do think I was out of my scumrange by the end of predance, it was in a way that I don't think anyone here is able to accurately judge.

it's entirely possible I guess that Andante is particularly susceptible to emotional displays being from town, but the way her trajectory on me evolves to the point where she's confident on that one read when there's next to no others and wanting my pairing to endgame despite not having any particularly strong read on RH9 reads as a buddying attempt, which simultaneously means that there's higher odds that somebody who considers me a threat is on the scumteam

all of those posts were made after Titus and Something_Smart replaced in, and both HQ/Shiro replaced in between the first and second posts. This does kind of correlate since I would expect that more from Titus/Something_Smart/HarleyQuinn/Shiro than any of LadyLambdadelta/Cabd/Catboi/Angielily

I'd honestly expect that more from those four specific players than the majority of the rest of the playerlist, actually, so Andante flipping scum in this game probably means that my reads really do need to be adjusted around that in the case that it happens

if this was a bus, it was a Bus To Kill, and I don't see why scum!Alyssa needs to make that move there. It'd probably be a game winning move if she is scum, but the vast majority of scum players on this site, even the good ones, don't go through this much effort unless they feel it's absolutely necessary to win. It's far easier to just not waste your energy devastatingly casing your partner like this, especially when there's a massive TvT clogging up the thread

[GuiltyLion]

I have a proposition for you Taly

if you can ever be confident about a townread on Ydrasse, we just nuke every other pairing

I like this plan

The biggest thing that vexes me is... if

Ydra's

town, why are we still alive?

I'm not super opposed to this. I trust Taly to have a Ydra read worth betting the game on. And I still think no matter what, even if we're iffy on Ydra, we'd have better odds taking a shot in one of the unknown pairs for the third scum before betting the game on Ydra's alignment.

[GuiltyLion]

That would risk you coming out with a townread on Ydrasse, which would pretty much singlehandedly lose scum the game if they didn't have a S/S pairing.

My one issue with this reasoning is I think Titus/STD had a rather decent shot to endgame, especially after the Andante flip STD was somewhat spewed town and Titus was universally townread

so it's not like Taly/Ydra-if-town is always a bigger threat to endgame

[GuiltyLion]

And if it's GL, I'm immediately leaving

I truly don't understand how anyone can think I'm partnered with RH9

[GuiltyLion]

but says that GL's posts seem like he rewrote them several times before posting to avoid causing any offense

RH9 - which posts gave you that impression

I have absolutely not been rewriting any posts this game and I've made several grammatical/memory errors, so this strikes me as an odd remark

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VoteCount 2.6

Taly - Ydrasse [0] -
Datisi - GuiltyLion [4] - Alyssa the Lamb, Taly, Galron, RH9
RH9 - Alyssa the Lamb [0] -
Galron - Something_Smart [2] -Datisi, Ydrasse

Not Voting [2]

GuiltyLion, Something_Smart

With 8 alive it takes 5 votes to execute

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2022-01-08 02:00:00)

[GuiltyLion]

Also, does scum ever write 6705 in general? Maybe I'm falling for "effort=town" but like this is a Lot of Work to do if Alyssa is scum and has a natural path to victory already

maybe I'm just projecting my own laziness but I feel everything Alyssa is doing here is pro-town when she could just be mindlessly yeeting me and shading Ydra

Already at this point in Galron's ISO I've seen a lot of early game posts that feel pretty genuine, though. 375, 514, 651, 666.

I'm kinda surprised you of all people think any of these posts are worthy of a townread? Like aren't you the guy who is usually sees nearly everything as NAI

[GuiltyLion]

Ydrasse, how do you feel about the GL/Dats wagon?

also, has she not made this clear already?

[GuiltyLion]

Should I be worried that GL and Galron have both been gone for about two days?

I spent the weekend recovering mostly and like I said the other day, I'm struggling to care right now because I kinda resigned myself to getting flipped today and I absolutely do not want to fight to survive and only wind up pushing another misyeet

[GuiltyLion]

Should I be worried that GL and Galron have both been gone for about two days?

GL hasn't yet. But it is concerning that both of them seem to be lurking.

We have four days left. Maybe voting GL and putting him at E-1 will bring him back. It has worked in the past.
VOTE: GL

this kinda feels like it could be scum hopping on our wagon finally

it shouldn't be "concerning" to not post over a holiday weekend, it's pretty easy to imagine my WIM decreasing as town after shoving through a T-T miselim and setting myself up to get limmed as a result (it's possible I'd go MIA as scum too to avoid giving any more associative info, so I don't think this should be a point in my favor, but it's NAI), but what's worst of all is that RH9's reasoning for voting me is to "bring me back" instead of actually expressing a desire to flip me.

like, ok, I'm here. Does that make you not want to flip me anymore?

[Something_Smart]

I'm kinda surprised you of all people think any of these posts are worthy of a townread? Like aren't you the guy who is usually sees nearly everything as NAI

I look for different things than most people. Those are posts that don't really look like people would townread them, but they serve important purposes in his hunting, which is why I felt that way. Each one is a relatively minor read, I only mentioned them because I saw several in a short time.

[Something_Smart]

also, has she not made this clear already?

She hasn't said much about it since the Shiro/HQ flip. Only 6618, but that's not conclusive.

[GuiltyLion]

Those are posts that don't really look like people would townread them, but they serve important purposes in his hunting, which is why I felt that way

I agree with you that they're good hunting posts, but the thing is I don't think they'd be that hard for scum!Galron to write in order to emulate how he thinks town!Galron would post. 514 especially is a super easy post to write as scum to casually distance from your partner.

[Something_Smart]

And she seems to be encouraging me to join the wagon without really expressing an opinion on it which I felt was odd given she doesn't seem to support it.

[Something_Smart]

Actually, that's a good point about 514. I didn't realize that it was to marci, so scratch that one.

[GuiltyLion]

I think my current reads are like

Town: {Alyssa, Datisi}
Probtown: {Smart}
could go either way: {Ydrasse, RH9}
scum: {Galron}

in a perfect world I'd lim scum!Galron here but I really do think it'd actually be better for the game if I'm flipped first so people can put all the GL/Datisi paranoia officially to rest

[GuiltyLion]

With the amount of shit I am getting for agreeing with LLD, scum has to be in there protecting GL. This further reinforces that I'm right. It's one thing to disagree. Shading me because I agree with a slot I know to be town is utter garbage.

Galron's recent posting tanks my read of him. He was suggesting that my and GLs flips solved the game, but replied with the fact he didn't like my catchup.

That has zero to do with my flip or GL's flip solving the game.

He doesn't show how the flips are related. His response about why he didn't like my catchup doesn't elaborate on how my and GL's flips solve the game.

If GL is town, turbo flip Galron.

This recent interaction suggested Galron wanted to pair with LLD to take out a strong and charismatic voice while I have the charisma of a gnat when prosecuting.

good post here still