CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[Bell]

Folks.

[Bell]

Some of you folks are so awkward. But y.
What secrets are you hiding.

[Bell]

Dwlee seems to be doing a good impression of seeming happy to have rolled town.

Also, I think I'm pathologically signing all of my posts, so maybe I should never hydra again. Because the compulsion is real.

[Bell]

Dwlee seems to be doing a good impression of seeming happy to have rolled town.

Impression or genuine?

It's implied because I have no idea how to tell the difference.

@Mush, I actually lost an elo recently demonstrating that it's a terrible idea to leave these things till the last minute.

[Bell]

I wanna post but I have obligations today.
But I wanna post so bad.

[Bell]

Fos three bears.
Fos ceph.

Ircher is projecting my projection into his own projection he is hiding secrets! I am joking.
But maybe not.

Oops.
I am posting. I said I wasn’t gunna do that.

No, this isn’t a crumb.

[Bell]

He has a point.

[Bell]

VOTE: Cephrir

Wheee

[Bell]

Who killed LLD and replaced her with generic good player variation #5

[Bell]

Eh.

[Bell]

Cephrir’s only hang up is that he hates that people expect him to get mad when he’s town.

[Bell]

This page top is mine.

[Bell]

bell is town, but i don't expect any points for that brain blast

This is confidential information. Mods.

[Bell]

bell is town, but i don't expect any points for that brain blast

Nah, it's too early to make that read.

It’s true. I am fairly good at getting reflex reads as scum. It’s later on when I have ~le trobles~

[Bell]

Whelp. Gotta go do stuff. I love you all.

*places raw steak on the ground*

[Bell]

i'm not sure cephrir is scum

You aren’t?

[Bell]

Testing site. Here to make an amazing post.
1. I am terrible scum, but if you give me a fake hard clear I will not fuck it up apparently.*angel* I had my first scum win recently that had almost absolutely nothing to do with me.
2. I can see why you would be okay with that Galron, but give me something please.
3. Norwe’s meta knowledge is accurate for norwe. For the most part though, If you play with me enough I become rather obvious.
4. I am confused at arcade’s approach early game.

[Bell]

You mean, that I seem like I’m informed or something? Or that I seem like I’m far removed from events?

[Bell]

I have never seen Mush this scummy ever. Will explain more later.

-nornor

It’s a veritable crime that you posted last out of the the three bears.

[Bell]

Wut, why?

Oh. I sort of get that but sort of don’t I remember the judges being critics on a balcony once. But that’s it I didn’t watch the muppets much.

[Bell]

Ain’t nothing wrong with bein defensive.

[Bell]

I should know. The second arcade voted me I was like, “I must death tunnel them throughout the game”
But secretly. It’s a secret death tunnel.

[Bell]

I should know. The second arcade voted me I was like, “I must death tunnel them throughout the game”
But secretly. It’s a secret death tunnel.

[Bell]

Noraa is an animal of habit.
I honestly dunno if I’m ever going to read them incorrectly.
So far.
I don’t think I have. It says they’re scum this game though. But I’m not sure, sure.

[Bell]

I wanna hear from the flea. The best hydra creator on the citadel.

[Bell]

Mush seems tonally town, but they’re a try harder.
But tonally I mean that they’re being creative, generating opinions, seem friendly enough, seem to be throwing rocks at puddles and they’re defensive in a way that I tend to see more from town than scum.

On the other hand, I can see Cephrir being right because if he is town he’s real good at those hot takes.

[Bell]

I should probably shut up now. As much as I love to post. I have dumped enough to coast as town for the next week or two.

Just as planned.

[Bell]

*ignores ircher*

[Bell]

It’s rvs. Anything you latch onto is gunna be pretty made up.

[Bell]

Greeting’s perspective bothers me. It seems black and white.

[Bell]

Why’re you arguing cases tho Mush? Arguing cases never gets anyone anywhere.

[Bell]

Greeting are you an alt? You actually don’t feel like one, which is new for me.

Anyway, what I mean by RVS is that we pretty much only have subjective data to work with, with no flips or anything else. People immediately started dropping opinions and the pace is good IMO, but it’s still subjective stuff.

Eh, I don’t wanna relate to you too early game mush since it can be faked by the incredulousness of your response is towninteresting.

[Bell]

Greeting’s perspective bothers me. It seems black and white.

Elaborate?

@

Bell

?

You're new, which may or may not explain your total focus on one person. Anyway, you have scum tells. You apply scum tells to Mush's posts. ????
profit.
Is how it feels to me.

[Bell]

Bell, You are saying you dislike someone finding scumtells and thinking they come from scum?

Yup. Cause it's more complicated than that.

[Bell]

This sure was a few pages of posts all right.

[Bell]

I'm not mad, per se. Just confused and don't see anything AI.

[Bell]

I'm not mad, per se. Just confused and don't see anything AI.

Eh? Noraa's reaction should tell you somethign.

Agree that my fakeviging is not AI, but noraa has to give you something...

I feel like scum Noraa lives and breathes for those kinds of moments. Whatever she can think of that's clever to get out of a scum read, she'll do. It's where most of her brain is when she's scum.

[Bell]

I'm not mad, per se. Just confused and don't see anything AI.

Eh? Noraa's reaction should tell you somethign.

Agree that my fakeviging is not AI, but noraa has to give you something...

I feel like scum Noraa lives and breathes for those kinds of moments. Whatever she can think of that's clever to get out of a scum read, she'll do. It's where most of her brain is when she's scum.

Sorry no. We all know I hate reaction tests as scum. Now isn't the time to lie about that.

-baby bear

Where did I say you didn't hate them? Also, I didn't say that. But also, I didn't know that. But also it fits into your desire to town slip out of suspicion so.

[Bell]

I’m confused now.
I kind of hate Ircher’s and Mush’s wagons.

[Bell]

I think we should probably refocus. I forgot how distracting Noraa can be.
I don’t know what Ircher is doing at all. But I’m fine leaving him be as I don’t think the current game state is necessarily his fault, he’s mostly just jumping in people’s faces. It just feels like posturing to me, but I don’t really see much of any angle.

Norwe and Cephrir

[Bell]

Town?

Wtf

*raises eyebrow* explain what you meant here?

Is T3 scum. They ain’t doin’ nothin’

[Bell]

I ain't doing nothin either.

Are you scum tho

[Bell]

This is easily the towniest STD has ever been.
Thus, he must be scum or something.

[Bell]

I've noticed my vote hasn't moved from Cephrir and I'm kind of okay with this.
I dunno, he still seems kind of blah to me. Maybe I'm just blind though and this is how he sorts.

Tet is either Notty/the self banner unwnd.
Or I'm wrong. I'm always wrong. But. While I really wanna give Tet his town card, I'm going to be a little bit careful. Even though he feels fine to me. But yeah, town read. Here you go.

[Bell]

VOTE: Arcade pals

*points at Ceph*
No, you're towel.

[Bell]

I'm stuck a little.
Mash feels fake to me, but I can't tell if it's legit or not.

Greeting, do you have any scum games you're especially proud of? Have you won as scum before?

What am I supposed to do with Megazumaril they came in with like a few pot shots but it's pretty much impossible to tell what their alignment is based on what they've posted so far.

Mastina's confidence confuses me. Except for their read on me, which is sort of just a gimme.

[Bell]

Rather, I'm not sure if it's just fake because they're Mash is having fun writing in their current style or fake in that they're scum.

[Bell]

I dont really buy that but i mean who knows.

A townie post was born.
I may or may not be an idiot.

[Bell]

Ohhh.

[Bell]

Norwe,
Sweet Norwe.
Stop focusing on all the suspicion and instead speak with me.
I suspect you because you don't really seem to be suspecting anyone else.
Let's talk about that.
Who do you suspect?

[Bell]

Lots of people vibing with me this game.
Stop buddying me. *Sweats*

[Bell]

Game keeps logging me out before posts make it.

Tldr:
Cephrir: slight improvement
Roden: limited insight. Attitude seems okay but not enough.

[Bell]

I think STD has earned a solid town read.
Didn't think that would be the early town read of the game, but I will take it, happily.

[Bell]

...19 more players to sort!

[Bell]

VOTE: Arcade Pals

[Bell]

i don't want townreads i want roden votes

This feels a little fake, but I shall not be dismayed.

*ignores request for Roden votes*

For now at least.

[Bell]

ceprhir

for those who don't know, cephrir is my fiance

i am fairly confident i can read him but i need a little more time. right now i'm leaning town but i think if he's scum he'll make a tell i'll recognize. i do feel i'm being a little overconfident so i'm taking other people's opinions seriously especially those of people who know him.

Ircher

Ircher i think we picked up on the same scumminess with his vote of bell and his kind of awkward "well what secrets are YOU hiding" since then i've felt a little better about his posts but i think they could still come from scum. his play has been a little 1 dimensional in terms of scumreading you and not doing much else.

Bears

I don't really know about bears. three different personalities is hard to parse. I know noraa's really charismatic and i think she could do a lot to fuck with my head. Flea hasn't posted much but i feel i can read fae the best out of all three so i want to see fae post more. Titus said something that pinged me. I just got done playing a game where Titus was obvtown and i think that she's not being that here so i'm a little wary but i'm also guessing titus can't be obvtown all the time and that's okay

i want to wait and see with them mostly, i think they'll slip up as scum

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

[Bell]

Omg it's so nice to meet you!

[Bell]

*ahem*

@Norwe, what are your other scum reads. I kind of don't want to pressure you because you feel all sensitive. But I just want a general idea of your trejectory because yeah.
You feel kinda off.

[Bell]

VOTE: Megazumaril

[Bell]

To be fair, I am going to wait for a claim before booting them out.
But it just increased the likelihood of them being scum and they can be overwhelmed scum just as easily as overwhelmed town.

[Bell]

ok, I'll word the question better. What crime was committed?

The crime of replacing out.

[Bell]

I should clarify that I do suspect Arcade pretty heavily too.

[Bell]

Roden, why aren't you scum this game?

[Bell]

@roden, self meta. say as scum you'd be doing y, not x and say why you're town because you're doing z not w.

[Bell]

Grendal

[Bell]

Heya Grendel

Andante is town

Is andante bad scum?

[Bell]

Long day.
I'd like more votes on Grendal.

[Bell]

Question Ircher, I feel kind of like you're ignoring me.
Are you trying to get me miseliminated later?

[Bell]

Nah STD,
When I say I would like more votes on Grendal I mean I demand more votes on Grendal until they have to claim or die.

[Bell]

You don't have that sense of entitlement that I have. :3

[Bell]

*wiggles outreached fingers*

Vote Grendal, the game has stalled and I want him to claim.
He hasn't made the slot better.

[Bell]

Question Ircher, I feel kind of like you're ignoring me.
Are you trying to get me miseliminated later?

You haven't stood out to me much at all. So yes, I am in a sense ignoring you.

This didn't actually answer my question. X:

[Bell]

Everything is meaningless and life is what we make of it.
What's your point. Just answer it or don't I guess.

[Bell]

Sounds fair if you entirely ignore that I dipped off the face of the earth and my activity is actually really low this game if you track it.

[Bell]

Hi adante, May I interest you in a vote on a Grendal vote in the spirit of community?

[Bell]

It does not directly imply it, but I find that non-posters are not gunna post no matter how much or how little everyone else posts.

[Bell]

Now, how they are perceived or how much attention their posts get in a relative vacuum of activity, that's fair I guess. But it doesn't really change that they aren't posting. It's more of the equivalent of human attention span-news cycle-lurking.

But voting a lurker until morale improves is certainly not terrible at this stage of the game.

[Bell]

Hi adante, May I interest you in a vote on a Grendal vote in the spirit of community?

yeah sure VOTE: Grendal
I don’t really have strong reads here other than I won’t vote Bears/Dragons/Ceph here and uhhh yeah also haven’t read a lot of the game

Thanks for being a team player regardless of your alignment.
and even though I'm probably wrong. :3.

[Bell]

There's almost nothing to agree or disagree with. Neither have posted much.

[Bell]

Hi. Work has been fun.

Are we going to put anyone at L1 yet or are we just no limming.

[Bell]

VOTE: Arcade pals

[Bell]

Haven’t read a thing. Except that it appears Maria had to go.
And I checked a VC.

[Bell]

bell u should vote ircher instead

or else i will b forced to crush u like a small cartoon puppy dog and literally everyone in the game will cry

I’m okay with eliminating you if you’re wrong on Ircher.

Sound good?

[Bell]

Bell what is your reason for pushing my slot all game?

Your posts felt wrong all game.

[Bell]

Bell what is your reason for pushing my slot all game?

Your posts felt wrong all game.

I don't remember you ever being so vague at an end of day wagons scenario

Or putting in so little effort

In fact, if anyone is interested in looking over Bell's iso, they have spent the last ~7 real life days only pushing on two of the lurkiest slots in the game and throwing out shallow questions to look like they're doing something.

Pay attention to Bell's progression on myself and Grendel's slot. There is no progression, he never had any reasons, and now instead of being honest and saying he's voting me for lurking, he says my posts have "felt off"

VOTE: Bell

Bell what is your reason for pushing my slot all game?

Are you saying we should’ve TRed you?

This post is gross, it's putting words in my mouth and is trying to brush aside a pretty valid question

You lurk every game. So saying I’m voting you for lurking is just dishonest. Even as scum I would have a better reason.

Also, schools reopened this week. I’m pretty sure you’re aware of this so I have no idea why you’re trying to even push me using this angle.

[Bell]

That's also why I'm saying you are voting me for lurking - because you made multiple posts indicating that you were going after people for lurking. Am I misunderstanding?

We're on page 77 and the extent of your reads being "your posts felt wrong" and "lurkers bad (except me)" is really unnatural when compared side by side with your town games.

I’m trying to get traction on a wagon and get a claim out of you because the game is stalling.
I also have games where I uncritically push for people to die suddenly.

For example, in northside’s game.

Are you saying you don’t know that schools reopened after a 3 week break and that there’s been a major spike in covid cases around the world.

[Bell]

The quality of my posting and opinions is is gunna dive especially after I already said I basically haven’t read the last 10 pages or so (I still haven’t).

I made a meta joke about this in a game recently o think where I said as scum I would be more cognizant of appearing to pay attention as scum, and then I just recalled how I had mentioned in my previous, last scum game I had read the game twice and I’m like.
“Huh, I know myself strangely well sometimes.”

[Bell]

bell get on ircher wagon that shit got momentum what are u talkin abt

Did you agree to be eliminated if Ircher turns out to be town.

[Bell]

VOTE: Ircher

Claim

[Bell]

Like if you here posting this you can do SOMETHING.

I am, I'm pointing out that it's strange he doesn't know this. And also, the reason I'm able to post now is because it's the weekend.
Not to be condescending, I say before being maybe condescending. But I don't mean to be. Mystery solved.

[Bell]

I know Andante might be good scum, but it doesn't feel like it.

[Bell]

Inexplicable town reading and defending me aside.

[Bell]

Actually that's kind of the deal breaker for me.
I don't really get the defense of me.
But I don't want to poke them in the eye either.

[Bell]

So Cephrir, Tictac, and Toog are all scum Titus?

[Bell]

They're the ones sitting on the side lines, not that I've checked in the last 10 pages, but we were already in molasses 10 pages ago.

[Bell]

Andante got scummy all of a sudden

Unpack this for me.

[Bell]

They're the ones sitting on the side lines, not that I've checked in the last 10 pages, but we were already in molasses 10 pages ago.

We have different versions of sitting on the sidelines then. Looking at the votes, I see LLD as sitting on the sidelines. She talks a big game, but where's her vote?

Why do you have those names as sitting on the sidelines?

~Mama

Presence. Though toog's presence seems kind of consistently inactive. I don't really think LLD's activity is alignment related. Er, this time.

[Bell]

They're the ones sitting on the side lines, not that I've checked in the last 10 pages, but we were already in molasses 10 pages ago.

Huh? I've been out in the trenches doing shit this game *more* than usual.

I feel like you're hanging onto a page 5 scumread of me even though you don't really have reason to.

UNVOTE:

Dunn has managed to give a town vibe so he is not the vote anymore. I need a VC.

Accurate.
Though I dunno about the town vibe. He always gets his claws out when pushed as town I'll give you that, but his reasoning still sucks this game.

[Bell]

I think I'm actually in shock because I don't remember Dunnstrall ever using meta, nor tracking down cases like that, nor incorrectly using cases like that.
It's weird. I am an omgus fish though. But it's still weird.
But omgus.
But he's weird.
But omgus.
But he's being weird!

[Bell]

As far as Ircher is concerned, I'm just outright gunna say that based on my experiences with him in game and the fact I've never played with scum him.
That it's pretty in character for him to get in front of people and kick them in the shins/posture a bunch. So I don't feel anything uniquely scummy from him this game.
I usually prefer to leave Ircher alone though.

[Bell]

The reason I'm being resistant to the Ircher wagon is entirely based on my experiences with him. He tends to collect votes early and then sheds them with some magic words. Like he did it all on purpose or something.
But he's an odd one.

[Bell]

Oh god, Peta is in this game now.

[Bell]

Also, I rage posted about quick hammers before realizing it wasn't a quick hammer.

UNVOTE:

@Ircher claim.

@Everyone else: no.

[Bell]

Other than me, who is distancing from the wagon?
Noraa hasn't but I don't really see them that way and their trejectory is sort of the opposite where they hard defended Ircher before becoming relatively bleh on them.

And that's pretty much the only other person I've seen resist it.

[Bell]

Neat

[Bell]

What’s the mold do, don’t we have a Bunch of flavor experts here or something?

[Bell]

I’m not upset if the bears die.

[Bell]

So are we killing Ircher then mush now

[Bell]

They’re your reads. You have the power to decide what to do with them and what to write.

[Bell]

I always forget, if ircher were a friendly neighbor, would they be informed that their one shot was refunded?

[Bell]

If they were role blocked*

[Bell]

Sure, I can be scum.

[Bell]

There’s nothing to pressure, I’m town *shrug*.

Also, how does everyone know what that is manga I thought it was obscure. But everyone and their mom knows about it.

[Bell]

I mean, my money is on that andante killed the bears. But that they’re town and the bears are scum because I’d prefer this to be the case. But I dunno.

[Bell]

I find it unlikely that the scum team’s kill wasn’t blocked or someone was protected.

[Bell]

There’s no reason a poisoner can’t be town/maf or whatever else.

[Bell]

Except I would expect a town poisoner to claim they did it after/during the bear’s flip.
While scum won’t say anything.

[Bell]

Bell, I think you're town

Yeah, it’s fairly obvious that you have thought that/pretended to think that since you got here based on your posts. It’s one of the more suspicious things about you because I don’t know why you’re town reading me as hard as you are tbh.

[Bell]

god i love seeing the fakest fucking itneractions ever here

But I’m genuine and I can’t even interact with my partners stop trying to get me association miselimed’d :<

[Bell]

bell ur scummy enough to eat a lim on ur own merits dont u worry lil pal

I’m town so I can’t be scummy.

[Bell]

No, I mean everything I do is townie because I’m town.
So mush calling me scum means they’re both wrong and may or may not be scum themselves.
Those are the available possibilities.

[Bell]

Lol. I’m not going to miss this bear.

[Bell]

Wait.
How many times do I have to say I don’t crumb before people get it.

[Bell]

I wasn’t hinting at poisoning them or w/e, I’m literally happy if they’re going to die, don’t think the poisoner is necessarily scum(depends when/if they claim), and so on.

[Bell]

I think Bell scum claimed in the last few pages.

Not only are you going to die but you’re going to die while pointing the finger at another town if you’re town.

Nice.

[Bell]

If you ended up thinking I was scum from a reaction test, the reaction test was bad IMO.I also, dunno what I was reacting to other than the information you got poisoned, if there was something else to react to I have no idea what it was.

[Bell]

You didn’t want to fish out claims you just wanted reactions by asking people to claim as long as their PR wasn’t useful is a hell of a take but frankly, I’m not that interested in taking the durr hurr they were fishily fishing, must be scum approach.

[Bell]

Also, bears gunna fish.

[Bell]

I’m sure this is exactly what they want me to think but I find it unlikely that the poisoner and the poisonee are of the same alignment because their approach is kind of like setting up a theatre play just for fun. There’s not much motivation in it for scum to do that.

I know. It’s a hot take, scum partners don’t usually poison each other more at 11.

[Bell]

I have nothing to say about Ircher that hasn’t been covered by other people mentioning the possible outcomes, e.g., Ircher was roleblocked, Ircher lied, catboi lied, the scum team tried to kill Ircher and he was protected, Ircher tried to kill somebody and he was blocked. Ircher was jail kept. The scum that tried to kill Ircher was jailkept.

Somebody else was protected and the scum team’s killer was somebody else. Who was role blocked/jailed/protected from the kill instead.

Also, just to be sure I would check with the mod to reduce chance of mod error in results.

[Bell]

I blame pooky and catboi for this aside.

[Bell]

Am I scum yet

[Bell]

Today sucked. I’d tell you about it but then I’d have to complain to you and nobody wants to complain/hear someone complain.

And so, instead I would like to take a moment to say that galeon’s post makes no sense whatsoever if you read it. Which is weird. It’s like a word salad.

Um. Is Ircher scum tho.

[Bell]

@Tet why the confidence in malatown?
I mean, I agree but I’d like context on the surety.

[Bell]

What are curse’s reads.

[Bell]

Has anyone played with scum Ircher before. Because I don’t think I have. Does he put in less effort or

[Bell]

I regret asking for curse to post.

[Bell]

That's nice, Bell. You're as good as flipped red already from what I know of you, so I won't take this too personally.

I guess I'm throwing axes in Control as well as D&D.

I’m definitely not flipping red so either you don’t know much or you’re scum.

[Bell]

Dunnstral, can I impose upon you to actually produce fucking content? Alignment indicative not on the defensive please and thank you.

The majority of my content has been on the offense rather than on the defense.

Bell, Andante, Bears all started voting me after I initially pushed them.

*raises finger to point out that omgus is commonly town*
Drops it because if you don’t know that by now me pointing it out isn’t gunna make that better.

[Bell]

I've been telling y'all that MUSH is scum since like day 1 of day 1.

If you flip town, I’ll flip mush.

[Bell]

*blink* I’m not following your point since it’s different from the point you made about me being obvscum.

[Bell]

*raises finger to point out that omgus is commonly town*

Does it indicate a greater than rand chance of being town? I don't think so, but you are welcome to cite the relevant statistical literature and prove me wrong.

No. I don’t mean to say that town are more or less likely to omgus, just that it’s close to NAI unless you get into specifics, but even then it gets hazy pretty quick when it’s all based on supposition.

[Bell]

What mush thing.
You mean the mold thing?

I still dunno what scum would ever shoot them, but eh. Guess we’ll find out. They have made me
Doubt my read on them a lot and I mean, they’re the walking dead so I don’t see much like motivation for them to post more but they’re here, posting more

[Bell]

You’re trying to sell me something.

But no, I think we’re all equally stupid within a modest range.

[Bell]

But I don’t have a face to watch.
I have nothing to react to. I just wanted you to talk because shrike requires me to tamp down on my emotions because feelings and judgment are sort of automatic and I have to undo that.

[Bell]

You’ve not really been on the defensive and in general i Don’t think you go on the defensive Dunnstral.
My experience with you being pushed is largely “what have I done that’s scummy, there’s barely anything there!”
And watching people stutter because yes, but isn’t that an issue?
And no, it’s not really an issue but the defense itself doesn’t really help me read you. I’m not even sure what does help me read you since I think we’re (previous to perhaps this game) always ended up with you being town.

[Bell]

I think i just reflexively tell people they're wrong/scum when I'm not tbh.

[Bell]

I get triggered because I don’t like being miseliminated because of powerlessness and depression and all that good stuff.
Not that I don’t lean into it when I’m scum though I’ve tried to move away from it.

[Bell]

I don’t really think that admitting to posturing is a big reveal.
Especially on mafiascum.net

[Bell]

Uh, I always omgus. But people rarely push at me and my playstyle is designed around getting town read as town. Or it was until I got a job and now I don’t have a play style at all beyond *write whatever pops out of my head and hope people can read me right anyway*

[Bell]

I've been telling y'all that MUSH is scum since like day 1 of day 1.

If you flip town, I’ll flip mush.

Why is everyone in this game playing 1D checkers.

I’m trying to scare them away from Ircher because I don’t think they’re both town tbh.

We should really kill tictac at some point if he hasn’t been cleared yet tho. But ignore this rn.

[Bell]

Or toog. I dunno. They both don’t feel like they exist to me.

[Bell]

They’re not, they just pretend they are.
Or they’re scum and they just pretend they are.

That’s the hard part and what I’ve largely felt might be the dividing line for their alignment, whether you can parse if they’re acting confident because they just want wagons to move/they’re reaction testing/they’re sounding themselves and their thoughts out.

Or they’re just faking their conviction to push through miselims. In part to convince others, in part to convince themselves. In part to appear town.

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….I don’t really think smart means much when you think about it.
But no point discussing that one. Dunno why you’re bringing it up.

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Andante tilting is frustrating but she is locktown for it, doubts have gone away

I do not think Roden arguing with Ircher is actually productive at all

As a master of the fake tilt what makes their current tilt real instead of that other one.

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Why is nobody voting me.

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VOTE: T3

@tet, My ears are open.

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i've never wished i was a vig more

This is a lie.

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Ohshit.

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I didn't even notice he repped. lol

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i've never wished i was a vig more

This is a lie.

opinions are neither lies nor truths

I've never wished to be a vig more is a true/false statement. Not an opinion.
You either have never had a stronger desire to be a vig than this game or you have.
Now, if you meant that it was a hyperbolic statement or more of a non-literal statement than sure.

But that's no fun.

Er, I really doubt Mush is scum this game.

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VOTE: T3

@tet, My ears are open.

Wrong, just wrong.

T3 is town.

LOOK OKAY, T3's 777 POST WAS A GODDAMN WAR CRIME OF POINTLESS AIMLESSNESS, WHO ASKS THAT QUESTION AS TOWN? WHO?

T3 did but, like.
Why. It doesn't require a meta dig to find out that Norwe snarks you could literally ask anyone that has played with them and even if they did show the posts it wouldn't mean anything because snark is not AI.

I'm using snark because I forgot what the discussion was about.

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That I suspected 3 town and I suck.

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Was I supposed to wait for tonight to post that

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Jesus fucking Christ, I'll come back later when it's less busy.

No. Post content.

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VOTE: ircher

Fuck it. Just end it.

Need context. What were these posts about? @Galron.

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We should probably kill Twie immediately if there's a good reason to think Twie is scum.

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After they claim ofc.

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What's your flavor?

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This isn't true. As in, this isn't my meta...

oh yes it is. I caught you in your last scum game for this EXACT reason. Did you forget that?

I probably shouldn't step in here, but I would like to press skip here because Dunnstrall is never going to say he was caught for the right reasons.

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What's your flavor?

what is flavor?

Your character's name.

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Are you going to say that Noraa caught you clean in your last scum game?

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....Yes?

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That’s a great posture of nonchalance but that does not actually help town tictac.

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i dunno what does help town here tho.
i'd argue more if i disagreed more.
@bell

Do you not see anything odd that you have nothing better to say than, “ I wish people would stop misspelling my name, “I’m not sure about this guys” on world and obvious emotional nonchalance?

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I dunno, doing stuff? even just showing that you’re town can be worthwhile because we don’t need miseliminations.

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VOTE: ircher

Fuck it. Just end it.

Need context. What were these posts about? @Galron.

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actually flavorclaiming might be a thing that matters.
i'm benicoff tv.

It absolutely is not.

-Pinkie.

For the record the TV becomes Hiss corrupted and breaks containment.
soooo.....

-Pinkie

and yes I'm aware it grants levitate when it's returned to containment.

"It doesn't matter, but even if it did you'd be scum for it"

Holy shit, I signed my post again. Agh.

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No.
Explain what you were thinking and feeling at that time that motivated you to make those posts.

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I wanted the day over and ircher dead.

And why did you want those two things to happen at the time?

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I wanted the day over and ircher dead.

And why did you want those two things to happen at the time?

Bell if there's a point to this, get to it bc i'm not following you're line of questioning

I'm trying to understand your perspective during when you said, "Fuck it, vote Ircher"

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My activity might be taking a dip. I have a bad feeling about this week.

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? You just answered my question Galron. Thanks. Dunno why it took you so long to get there though.

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? You just answered my question Galron. Thanks. Dunno why it took you so long to get there though.

I'd like to know the importance of it.

I thought it seemed an odd post to have an expletive and a vote behind it. It kind of felt like you knew there would be consequences but impusively did a thing instead and I was trying to figure out if your reason was believable or not.

I'm tired.

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As for your answer, it sounds real to me. So that's cool.

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I don't know if I buy that because it seemed fairly self-evident to me, but it was me doing the thing so I guess it would

It definitely wasn't lol.

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You gunna claim Twie?

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Based on their response, it is my professional opinion that Twie is scum or real bad town.

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Oh no, my vote button in my brain is broke.

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VOTE: Vote TheWayItEnds

It works now.

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Okay so.
I actually didn’t mean to quick hammer there.
Bad play in my part though the result would’ve been the same, still bad.
Bell bad.

VOTE: Ceprir

Gunna go work now.
Decided cephrir is just in that sweet spot where he’s just kind of skating by and I think only scum him wants to be there.

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Doesn’t that mean mush is scum.

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Focus Bell.

Kill cephir.

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Hey Cephrir.
You voted me and then you voted somebody else.

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I'm not sure if this is the meta you keep getting mad that people keep expecting from you as town , because, I've only seen you in the sulking phase of this history.

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@STD: How confident are you that Cephrir is town?

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Hey Cephrir.
You voted me and then you voted somebody else.

I'm not sure if this is the meta you keep getting mad that people keep expecting from you as town , because, I've only seen you in the sulking phase of this history.

i have no idea what you are talking about, but thanks for calling me sulky i guess

Do you deny it.

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Oh, you kept complaining about how people expect you to AtE as town or something.

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Also, I didn't say what your posts describing me, describing you said.

So.