Open 842: Diffusion of Power [Postgame]

[fua]

Currently:

Would not lim: Shirou, Morph, Possibly Amazonians?
Ehh: Ydrasse, NSG, GL, NQ
Can be persuaded: redtea
Would lim: Ceph, Implosion, Tejate, Imaginality

[fua]

Right now I would be surprised if there

weren’t

at least two scum in that bottom row.

[Cephrir]

I dont like ur odds on that bet mate

[Cephrir]

I am indifferent about voting for redtea. I don't especially want to end the day yet.

[Tejate Raichu]

I'm not sure GL was suggesting we end the day right this second.

[Tejate Raichu]

GL, could you elaborate on what exactly you meant by wanting to vote redtea? I assumed you meant closer to the end of our timer, as opposed to starting a wagon right now?

[fua]

I dont like ur odds on that bet mate

Who are your scumreads?

[fua]

No elaboration, just names.

[Cephrir]

nsg, imaginality, maybe implosion

[fua]

nsg, imaginality, maybe implosion

You literally just named two people in the bottom row.

[Cephrir]

yah but it'd have to be exactly those 2 fmpov and thats not terribly likely

im not cocky about it

[Shirou]

okay that was funny fua

GL I'm against voting redtea right now because I think their posts are perhaps in a trajectory to get me to town lean them. they are null town for me at the moment after their last posts which was already an improvement over the null scum read I had on them for their entrance.

[Shirou]

hello i'm back, time to catch up on quite a lot

[Shirou]

did I just get shirou to null me by memeing

yes

but no

however...yes...

but no.

[Shirou]

if it's right I'm kinda slightly proud of it

It's 2022, we need to even sort memes as content perhaps

[morph the cat]

Not Voting (6): imaginality, morph the cat, redtea, Tejate Raichu, Ydrasse, Shirou

hot take, not voting makes people harder to solve and gives less content to read them off of than the spectrum of activity/inactivity

I'd like everyone not voting to explain in their next post if they'd be willing to vote redtea and why or why not

I am not of the voteliness is next to godliness school of mafia thought. And I've rubbed off on Neuterhalf. I don't vote until I want to see a single specific player eliminated. I may change my mind, and I may compromise late in a game day.

Our bottom tiers look like this right now:

{implosion, imaginality, numbers}
{NSG, redtea}

redtea's posts have been low-content for the most part and when he answers questions the answers don't really satisfy. For instance, he made a statement about fua's alignment being easily discerned with some meta reference, but nothing about that post indicated his read of fua, which gives him tons of wiggle room when someone (quite possibly me) comes back with an opinion.

NSG's initial content was unimpressive and low quantity though pleasant. I'm keeping an open mind on the slot, but that's where she currently sits wrt to everyone who's posted more content.

[northsidegal]

NSG's initial content was unimpressive and low quantity though pleasant. I'm keeping an open mind on the slot, but that's where she currently sits wrt to everyone who's posted more content.

i won't dispute that what i've said in this game so far has been mostly low-stakes and not particularly insightful, but seeing the word "unimpressive" makes me think that your expectations might be a little off – i wouldn't expect to be impressed by me. to be clear, i'm not trying to preemptively excuse nonparticipation or weak content or whatever, i'm just saying that if you have the expectation of me as someone who's going to "solve the game" or whatever (as some people still do), i think that you should modulate that expectation down, so to speak. i think that that would probably make the game a better experience for both of us.

anyways, i got sidetracked earlier after my latest post, still reading through the thread but felt i should say that.

[implosion]

Currently:

Would not lim: Shirou, Morph, Possibly Amazonians?
Ehh: Ydrasse, NSG, GL, NQ
Can be persuaded: redtea
Would lim: Ceph, Implosion, Tejate, Imaginality

Right now I would be surprised if there

weren’t

at least two scum in that bottom row.

What does "ehh" mean, then? Because you're saying you'd be surprised if you're wrong on more than one person in that tier. Or more than 0 if redtea is scum or one of your stronger reads is wrong.

[implosion]

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numberQ's

] vote has been parked on Ceph but I don't see him engaging with any of Ceph's later content nor working to convince people to also vote there, instead his vote is just kinda languishing.

I also think this is one of the most indicative things I called out in my giant reads post and I want more people to think about / engage with this as well

numberQ is not behaving like someone who still thinks Ceph is the best vote for today

I don't feel much about this because I feel like my vote has been languishing all day, as a function of gamestate.

[GuiltyLion]

I'd like to try a different approach here, since the game is much slower paced. Games here last for multiple weeks, rather than like 20-30 minutes.

what do you think is the advantage of withholding your vote?

[GuiltyLion]

I am indifferent about voting for redtea. I don't especially want to end the day yet.

I'm not sure GL was suggesting we end the day right this second.

GL, could you elaborate on what exactly you meant by wanting to vote redtea? I assumed you meant closer to the end of our timer, as opposed to starting a wagon right now?

I want to start a wagon right now, but I don't want the day to end. Why is everyone acting like voting somebody is now a signal that you're ready for the day to end? Did I miss a change in sitemeta or something?

When the game is in a weak state like this (multiple people not voting, no serious wagons) it makes it really easy for scum to blend in. They can just post words without having to do anything or commit to anything. I like it when wagons get up to E-3, E-2, E-1, even if I'm not ready for an actual hammer, even if the person being wagoned isn't my top choice. It means people who are on the wagon are more committed to who they're voting - and if they back off at that point, it often says a lot. It means people who

aren't

on the wagon are confronted with a question - will they ultimately support this wagon? Or are they going to speak up against it? Who do they think should be the center of attention instead? And it means the person

being

wagoned is now staring down a Very Real possibility that they might die today.

The current gamestate provokes none of these interesting questions and doesn't put any pressure on anybody to do anything or take any stances. It's easy to write your opinions about a post or an ISO. It's a lot harder to put your money where your mouth is. That's why wagons are good. They create stakes that demand real positions and real commitment.

[GuiltyLion]

[

numberQ's

] vote has been parked on Ceph but I don't see him engaging with any of Ceph's later content nor working to convince people to also vote there, instead his vote is just kinda languishing.

I also think this is one of the most indicative things I called out in my giant reads post and I want more people to think about / engage with this as well

numberQ is not behaving like someone who still thinks Ceph is the best vote for today

I don't feel much about this because I feel like my vote has been languishing all day, as a function of gamestate.

yeah, but you're at least shopping your vote around and showing a willingness to explore other votes. nQ hasn't done that

[redtea]

@morph is this about me not responding to your question about my current fua read you posited *checks watch* 8 hours ago

[GuiltyLion]

GL I'm against voting redtea right now because I think their posts are perhaps in a trajectory to get me to town lean them. they are null town for me at the moment after their last posts which was already an improvement over the null scum read I had on them for their entrance.

which posts are giving you a town impression?

[implosion]

1045 is a good post and sums up a lot of my feelings of ennui toward this game at this moment.