CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[Val89]

his recent attempt to discredit the town reads on LLD

I'm sorry? Come again?

Look, I understand having been asked to justify your read d, you have to come up with some crap, but at least do me the curtesy of actually reading my posts, rather than glancing at them, please.

I absolutely believe this should be the lim today.

[Val89]

I am, however, willing to compromise.

I have had no reason to townread Ircher, but wasn't convinced the lack of "on-pointness" that mastina described was AI at the early stage it was raised, and thought it better to wait and see if things improved.

They haven't, but my reads on some of the characters that jumped on the wagon while I was waiting gave me pause.

I'm still not TRing that slot, though, and my head understands its probably a mistake to rely on my reads on other slots at this stage.

VOTE: Ircher

[Dunnstral]

You lurk every game. So saying I’m voting you for lurking is just dishonest. Even as scum I would have a better reason.

Also, schools reopened this week. I’m pretty sure you’re aware of this so I have no idea why you’re trying to even push me using this angle.

Are you saying that schools opening is limiting your posting.

Here, I've got receipts. It's not t he rate of posting, it's what you choose to talk about. Here are some posts I've pulled from games from where you were town, close to the day 1 elimination:

Spoiler: Town Game 1

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

Bell: i think there's a difference between your personal read on a slot and that slot being low-hanging fruit, but i'm also not sure if discussing it further would be helpful. what's your read on Whemestar?

Sure, there is definitely a difference between them, sometimes I don't choose my words carefully enough.
I am idly wondering if frequency of his votes early game is alignment indicative for him. Other wise, I he's floaty and idk.

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

Wheme seems pretty genuine to me and I suspect half or more of the people on his wagon.
To me, it's a bad wagon. It does not help that it appears to be the most viable and *easiest* wagon with the more obvious town players being the only real objectees.

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

I’m not a big fan of ircher’s continued push on Notty. It reeks of posturing.

Spoiler: Town Game 2

Subject: Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

Sure. LLD died to cabd recently and they have expressed a desire to kill them and they have expressed the idea of killing players for non-alignment reasons. Since rhea is playing this game i’m not entirely sure how to weigh their analysis. Their argument appears to be that medea started out with a fall back plan in mind. They said as much initially that they were giving us meat on their role instead of other information for us to generate a town read on them(?)

Pooky is hard to read for me. I find his read accuracy as town pretty good. But he also keeps going back and forth on medea and their reasoning is somewhat unclear. Which isn’t that rare for them. But it makes it difficult for me to sheep.

-Bell.

Okay, now my meeting has actually started so I’m out. Ta ta for now.

Subject: Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

Annie, Lukewarm and Dunnstral are my town selections for this game day.

I think Titus is scum.
You might as well have posted my thoughts out in the thread in regards to Pooky/Medea, except I'm not as worried that both are town. Though of the two I lean Medea even though Pooky is sort of limp.
But he's a teddy bear, he can't help it.

Uhh Everywhere else is kinda of up in the air. I won't lie, I'm TRing Ceph based on their approach to Medea, I'm Tring unwnd for "things scum don't or won't say.txt with a healthy dose of paranoia.

Everybody else is basically where I left them last time. Spiffeh continues to toe my scum line. Rhea is a vibe town read.

I'm independently SRIng AA9, but whatever, I'll just say I told you so if they wind up being scum this game.

-Bell

In both of these games you are still talking about stuff and considering things at about the point in the game that we're at right now.

Spoiler: This game

*wiggles outreached fingers*

Vote Grendal, the game has stalled and I want him to claim.
He hasn't made the slot better.

It does not directly imply it, but I find that non-posters are not gunna post no matter how much or how little everyone else posts.

Now, how they are perceived or how much attention their posts get in a relative vacuum of activity, that's fair I guess. But it doesn't really change that they aren't posting. It's more of the equivalent of human attention span-news cycle-lurking.

But voting a lurker until morale improves is certainly not terrible at this stage of the game.

There's almost nothing to agree or disagree with. Neither have posted much.

bell u should vote ircher instead

or else i will b forced to crush u like a small cartoon puppy dog and literally everyone in the game will cry

I’m okay with eliminating you if you’re wrong on Ircher.

Sound good?

Bell what is your reason for pushing my slot all game?

Your posts felt wrong all game.

In this game you vaguely push at lurkers in multiple posts, make threats at Mush, and simply say vote x, vote y without any reasoning.

You aren't

discussing

or

considering

anything, and it shows.

[Dunnstral]

That's also why I'm saying you are voting me for lurking - because you made multiple posts indicating that you were going after people for lurking. Am I misunderstanding?

We're on page 77 and the extent of your reads being "your posts felt wrong" and "lurkers bad (except me)" is really unnatural when compared side by side with your town games.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And people actually said that the Dunnstral slot was scum.

[The Three Bears]

HEY ANDANTE!

Ceph, Dragons, Idk who I wanna vote, like, I don't think Grendel is a bad vote, I'm down to yeet Arcade too, ahhhhh

But... WhhHHhhHhHhHyyyYyYyYYyyYyY??? Whats good about the Grendal waaaagooooon?

@Andante

this is what you're ignnoooooorrrrring.

-PiNK

[The Three Bears]

Like... 80% of the enemies in the game are various forms of Hiss corrupted Agents.

Nah, if I had to wager a guess, we're either fighting Objects of Power, like the Anchor, or variations from such (hello esseJ), or main Hiss Agents like Tomassi or Trench, maybe a combination of both.

In fact, just a bet in general, the scum team could simply just be all the bosses with no real alignment differential.

Tomassi
Mold-1
Former
Anchor
esseJ
Dylan

Trench could possibly be swapped in somewhere, even though not a boss. And of course DLC could be a factor with Hartman.

Game isn't flavour solvable, at least using EoG canon. Just saying.

-Plinkie

[The Three Bears]

I am, however, willing to compromise.

I have had no reason to townread Ircher, but wasn't convinced the lack of "on-pointness" that mastina described was AI at the early stage it was raised, and thought it better to wait and see if things improved.

They haven't, but my reads on some of the characters that jumped on the wagon while I was waiting gave me pause.

I'm still not TRing that slot, though, and my head understands its probably a mistake to rely on my reads on other slots at this stage.

VOTE: Ircher

This makes me not wanna lim Ircher. ngl.

Val I'm sure I've got outstanding questions to you...

--Pink Astronaut Bean is sus of you

[The Three Bears]

Ceph, Dragons, Idk who I wanna vote, like, I don't think Grendel is a bad vote, I'm down to yeet Arcade too, ahhhhh

But... WhhHHhhHhHhHyyyYyYyYYyyYyY??? Whats good about the Grendal waaaagooooon?

Is there a case that's not based on activity?

You got another else other than LLD taking a shot at us? Like you've read more than me in theory you gotta have something.

*points to the chilli pile*

Bell peppers are worse than pepperonis btw, don't disappoint me. Gimme something spicy!!

-- Pinkie the pepper bear

People really don't wanna see this post do they?

-The Loch Pinkie Bear

[Tet]

Like... 80% of the enemies in the game are various forms of Hiss corrupted Agents.

Nah, if I had to wager a guess, we're either fighting Objects of Power, like the Anchor, or variations from such (hello esseJ), or main Hiss Agents like Tomassi or Trench, maybe a combination of both.

In fact, just a bet in general, the scum team could simply just be all the bosses with no real alignment differential.

Tomassi
Mold-1
Former
Anchor
esseJ
Dylan

Trench could possibly be swapped in somewhere, even though not a boss. And of course DLC could be a factor with Hartman.

Game isn't flavour solvable, at least using EoG canon. Just saying.

-Plinkie

Very unfortunate to hear.

[Roden]

his recent attempt to discredit the town reads on LLD

I'm sorry? Come again?

Look, I understand having been asked to justify your read d, you have to come up with some crap, but at least do me the curtesy of actually reading my posts, rather than glancing at them, please.

I absolutely believe this should be the lim today.

Aren't these posts yours?

Spoiler:

Lady Lambdadelta - null not convinced by thread lock

To be fair, the thread lock wasn't the "mod reaction" I was refering to. It was this one:

Carry/hold/??? onwards/forwards/into the unknowable future

It's possible I have either incorrectly deduced cause and effect there, or I've misunderstood what I am seeing, but for now, that is enough to put LLD in the strong town bucket, until one of those assumptions is proven false.

I still can't understand why, when the issue of LLDs alignment and the interaction with the bears comes up, the focus remains on the fact it was presented as a fake vig, and the fact that the mod locked the thread - something SirCakez specifically stated was not game related - rather than the other mod response.

I could understand if there was an argument being made that it could possibly have still come from scum, perhaps, but for it to have been ignored completely in favour of a discussion on what metagame info might be gleaned from the thread locking instead make me think I must be missing something obvious, here.

i feel like both are unimportant

Unimportant with respect to LLDs alignment, or unimportant in general?

If you mean the later, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. SirCakez says the thread locking was not related to the game state, which strongly implies the other post was.

I don't know if the apparent concensus to straight up ignore it was deliberate, and I'm not understanding due to my inexperience outside the known setup of the newbie queue, but it's fed very strongly into how I am reading LLD.

I'm not sure I understand Cephrir. SirCakez said the locking of the thread was a bit of trolling, presumably to lend a bit of credibility to the idea LLD had legitimately dayvigged the bears. The other post wasn't mentioned, and would not do that. I assume therefore, that was legitimate and intended.

With respect to knowing that it was related to what LLD did, the short answer is that I don't know for sure, and that's what I mean by misunderstanding cause and effect, but if it wasn't, there is a big timing coincidence there.

I think 322 was a mod response to an activated ability that prompts a public mod response, the existence of which potentially provides a clue to one or more players alignment.

You don't?

I at least understand what StD is saying about it potentially not being caused by LLD posting "Seize: X" in the public thread, and that's something I've considered and explained why at least at this stage is an assumption I'm happy making, but im not entirely sure what you are trying to say, Cephrir.

Anyway, do you have anything else to say about the read?

[Val89]

Aren't these posts yours?

Lady Lambdadelta - null not convinced by thread lock

To be fair, the thread lock wasn't the "mod reaction" I was refering to. It was this one:

Carry/hold/??? onwards/forwards/into the unknowable future

It's possible I have either incorrectly deduced cause and effect there, or I've misunderstood what I am seeing, but for now,

that is enough to put LLD in the strong town bucket

, until one of those assumptions is proven false.

Yes. They are. As is this one, which appears in sequence of the ones you quoted, but for some strange reason you seem to have ommited.

how does it relate to LLD's alignment

LLD does something, Mod publically does two things, one of which SirCakez says was a bit of trolling, presumably meaning the other wasn't.

Again, I would understand an argument from people with more experience with the source, or theme games in general, that it could still possibly come from scum, or perhaps I am misunderstanding cause and effect, but my initial thinking is that if you are going to do something that invokes a public response from a mod,

you aren't doing that so openly if you are scum

.

See, I might have brought the idea that Roden might have somehow mistook my posts to mean I was suggesting LLD was scum, if he were literally glancing at them with the most mininimal of attention; although I would still say to only glance at the posts of one of your top 3 scum reads when asked to justify for your reasons for it is scummy in itself, but to omit 1738 from a quote wall from 1550 to 1745, has to be deliberate. Why did you chose to do that, Roden?

Are we seriously not voting this out today?

[Andante]

HEY ANDANTE!

Ceph, Dragons, Idk who I wanna vote, like, I don't think Grendel is a bad vote, I'm down to yeet Arcade too, ahhhhh

But... WhhHHhhHhHhHyyyYyYyYYyyYyY??? Whats good about the Grendal waaaagooooon?

@Andante

this is what you're ignnoooooorrrrring.

-PiNK

not sure what happened to the grendal wagon tbh

[Andante]

Dunnstral where you the one that was posting all the time as hydra?

We were both posting, is there something you wanted specifics on?

What I find kinda interesting though, you've started posting a whole lot more here after a lot of us have been voting arcade. Like, Arcade didn't post much, what was posted wasn't too good, we vote arcade, now you're in like panic mode trying to save that slot, but like, there's stuff from Arcade I probably won't get past, thus I'm leaving my vote here

[MUSHSHAGANA]

god i fuckin hate it here. Bears pls keep in mind the deadline. remember what last minute compromise lims lead to every single goddamn time: they lead to green flips! ur not seeing multiple slots trying desperately to deflect away from a slot that plays like total shit????? pls think this thru

[Andante]

That's also why I'm saying you are voting me for lurking - because you made multiple posts indicating that you were going after people for lurking. Am I misunderstanding?

We're on page 77 and the extent of your reads being "your posts felt wrong" and "lurkers bad (except me)" is really unnatural when compared side by side with your town games.

I don't think anyone is voting you for lurking? Like, the arcade post...

Bell says: "I'm leaving"
10 posts later arcade is all "Let's vote bell for the reaction"

what sense does that even make?? if someone is leaving they won't react to something, it's literally just an attempt to look busy...

[Andante]

god i fuckin hate it here. Bears pls keep in mind the deadline. remember what last minute compromise lims lead to every single goddamn time: they lead to green flips! ur not seeing multiple slots trying desperately to deflect away from a slot that plays like total shit????? pls think this thru

oof I love it here, don't hate it here!!

[MUSHSHAGANA]

(not meanin total shit comment as like personal attack at irch btw just like dude ur fuckin play doesnt deserve the fuckin ppl diving in front of the bullet ur getting, u barely contributin and when u do its bland as fuck)

[Andante]

Does Ircher always only talk in giant quote essays? these things are painful to read

[Andante]

like saying "I'm not impressed" to Toog's reads, when Ircher really hasn't even outed reads

[Andante]

This isn't a good vote. LLD I think had a pretty good early game before they became sick. While their current argument is rather poor form, it seems more a personality thing than anything and isn't particularly alignment indicative.

like, my LLD vote was a joke, and I feel like people actually reading would've seen that?
LLD went "I run this place"
I voted LLD...


Idk, like, if you sit down and actually read these responses in the quote essay, they're not amazing

[Andante]

I guess Dunn lives till tomorrow, but I'm not a fan of this "I only talk in quote essays cause I'm catching up" there's like no actual live interactions with anyone

VOTE: Ircher

No clue how close this is to a lim, recent vc is very old

[Bell]

That's also why I'm saying you are voting me for lurking - because you made multiple posts indicating that you were going after people for lurking. Am I misunderstanding?

We're on page 77 and the extent of your reads being "your posts felt wrong" and "lurkers bad (except me)" is really unnatural when compared side by side with your town games.

I’m trying to get traction on a wagon and get a claim out of you because the game is stalling.
I also have games where I uncritically push for people to die suddenly.

For example, in northside’s game.

Are you saying you don’t know that schools reopened after a 3 week break and that there’s been a major spike in covid cases around the world.

[Bell]

The quality of my posting and opinions is is gunna dive especially after I already said I basically haven’t read the last 10 pages or so (I still haven’t).

I made a meta joke about this in a game recently o think where I said as scum I would be more cognizant of appearing to pay attention as scum, and then I just recalled how I had mentioned in my previous, last scum game I had read the game twice and I’m like.
“Huh, I know myself strangely well sometimes.”

[MUSHSHAGANA]

bell get on ircher wagon that shit got momentum what are u talkin abt