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[Andresvmb]

It truly hurts to be betrayed by datisi like this

i would never :3

I actually think maybe it is baltar

i am interested in which one of *checks notes* 3 of baltar's posts at that time did you find suspicious

skitter30 and vp baltar are town, which means that already, this game will be 75% less of a headache than i thought

anyway

VOTE: andresvmb

this is the game. i can feel it.

I love you too

You do know I want it to be over with. You’ll actually get to see that my Scum game is pretty poor.

[Andresvmb]

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I fundamentally do not have an issue if you want to say that skitter gives you Town vibes for Unvoting in that scenario where you had gathered a lot of votes early. On average, I’m going to guess that’s probably correct. But I wouldn’t completely discount the possibility that Scum couldn’t possibly have piled on there and then Unvoted to give the appearance of letting the thread breathe. And let’s get real - if you’re Town, Scum aren’t going to turn around and put

you

at E-1 and really think you’re going to get hammered out of nowhere. Not with this player list.

[Andresvmb]

I think scum!tisi would probably both post later than he did and take a different tone than what he's got already.

Different tone? Also, have you played with scumtisi recently?

I haven't been here for about 6 months and the game I'm basing this off of was almost a year ago so it could have changed but Datisi is chronically incapable of keeping his shit together when scum from my experience, so I'd expect him to come across as more paranoid and panic-sounding if he were scum. I modded 2195 and got to see his mental breakdowns in real time and there's a lot of similarity between that playerlist and this one.

@outworlder ... what do u think of the speedwagon on dats and/or the people involved in it?

The only person I get any minor scumpings on in the wagon is Ari for 36 (feels like a weak excuse made to try and sway Datisi from his Baltar read) but it's not something I'd commit to at this moment. I agree with Datisi on your contribution to the wagon and Baltar seems to be playing how I remember him playing 2195 where he was town.

I have used the same logic to develop a read on Datisi, so I can vouch for this. And I would agree that Datisi is not giving me really nervous vibes after picking up a lot of votes, so I’m leaning the same way. It’s early and all that, but it’s a solid start.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

hi andres,

starv and dunya say hi

[Andresvmb]

@RTP it’s always good to see you.

Talk to me about your vote - do you think the naked vote is enough to really form a view of IV there?

[Andresvmb]

hi andres,

starv and dunya say hi

I’m in a game that StarV is modding somewhere else. Should be fun.

[Datisi]

But I wouldn’t completely discount the possibility that Scum couldn’t possibly have piled on there and then Unvoted to give the appearance of letting the thread breathe.

i mean, sure, it's possible. but that seems like a pretty complex thing for scum to do that, on average, i'd say they probably wouldn't bother.

And let’s get real - if you’re Town, Scum aren’t going to turn around and put you at E-1 and really think you’re going to get hammered out of nowhere. Not with this player list.

maybe i'm taking too much from menalque's school of scumplay, but i'm of the thought that early quickhammers by scum are beneficial to the scumteam, even if they result in the hammering scum getting policied the next day. and i've seen games fall apart quite quickly after things like that happen. so i'm always wary of that happening, and i'm always of the thought that scum would be trying to make it happen.

[Andresvmb]

Yeah but see that’s my point - Scum that actually hammers you there absolutely gets policied the next day. No Scum worth their salt would do that. You just immediately jump to the top of the execution list and you’ll never win an Endgame. I’m just telling you, I would never do that, and I have a hard time seeing any of the players I’ve played with here do that either. I was quite pumped about the player list, and I really don’t think you’re going to see stupidity of that sort in this game.

[Andresvmb]

Anyway, I’m discounting your read of skitter there I guess is what I’m getting at, but I can see why you have the view in the first place. So if I’m purely focused on how you’re forming the read, I think it’s a positive, even if I think the read itself is not solid.

[skitter30]

andres is probably town

and i think that some scum might take the oppurtunity to quickhammer if they had it tbh, i can think of at least 2 people who would do it in this pl (one was already onwagon tbf but still)

[Aristeia]

Mmmm guess what I am making rn Datisi

[OutWorldER]

quickhammers are always scum-sided even if it was town quickhammering scum in my experience. D1 should usually be taken slowly regardless of how much people dislike it, in my opinion.

RTP has not tried to pocket me yet so I'm thinking he's town.

[Datisi]

my whole point is that it's not necessarily stupid - it could be a valid strategy to shut down discussion on page two, take out up to two of town's power roles, and make any discussion on d2 useless, in exchange for one scum.

point taken that it's less likely to happen here due to this actually being a pretty fun playerlist, though.

pedit: that's fair, it's not an ironclad read by any means anyway.

[skitter30]

i'm actually thinking my townpings on rtp were hasty and would like to retract them for now
(that's not to say i think they're scum, but i don't want to townlean them rn either)

[Datisi]

Mmmm guess what I am making rn Datisi

is it... a new avi?

RTP has not tried to pocket me yet so I'm thinking he's town.

they*

[OutWorldER]

quickhammers are always scum-sided even if it was town quickhammering scum in my experience. D1 should usually be taken slowly regardless of how much people dislike it, in my opinion.

RTP has not tried to pocket me yet so I'm thinking he's town.

shit *they

[Aristeia]

kind of sad you think I would let you get quickhammered early d1 tho

[Datisi]

kind of sad you think I would let you get quickhammered early d1 tho

i think scum!you would rather do that than have to lie to me for the entirety of this game <3

[VP Baltar]

which begs the question... why are you oh so casually gonna take it?

Idk if I'm casually taking it. I am town, so it's not wrong. But I'm asking you about it because seems unlike you.

What else would I do in that situation?

[skitter30]

i mean you're one of the people i'm thinking of who'd quickhammer >.>

pedit yeah

also do i know who rtp is ?
(i think i do but just checking)

[Aristeia]

is it... a new avi?

close!

it is some hot chocolate because it's cold and I am going ice skating later.

[Datisi]

What else would I do in that situation?

probe further, call me scum, start screaming for my head, you know the usual.

[Aristeia]

kind of sad you think I would let you get quickhammered early d1 tho

i think scum!you would rather do that than have to lie to me for the entirety of this game <3

I would never try to kill you if I was scum dear.

[VP Baltar]

I took photos of a burned out RV this morning and I'm making sourdough pancakes now for breakfast. Today is going well for me and scum should be very afraid rn.

[VP Baltar]

What else would I do in that situation?

probe further, call me scum, start screaming for my head, you know the usual.

Eh, that seems like a bad assumption for me to make off so little. Plus, I have somewhat reliable methods for determining your towniness.