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VP Baltar he/himSurvivorhe/him
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He definitely had a very ridiculous fight with NPOM that game it looked like. Is that what you remember?In post 374, OutWorldER wrote:Frogster is playing mostly how I remember them playing in 2185, very forceful and ambitious. As a side note, I am mad about 2185 being linked since it's been a year and I'm still angry about that game.YOUR AD HERE
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I thought i was voting Scorpious?
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VOTE: Scorpious-
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Datisi it/heDrawn from Memoryit/he
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scorpious is not present in this gameI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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Damn, I'm tired.
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OutWorldER He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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It wasn't any specific moment in that game, just a unique sort of aggressiveness when pushing his SR's that he's also showing here.In post 376, VP Baltar wrote:
He definitely had a very ridiculous fight with NPOM that game it looked like. Is that what you remember?In post 374, OutWorldER wrote:Frogster is playing mostly how I remember them playing in 2185, very forceful and ambitious. As a side note, I am mad about 2185 being linked since it's been a year and I'm still angry about that game.-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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I took the long test, but I wouldn't recommend it. I only did it because I have a ton of down time at work anyway. There were a lot of essentially repeated questions, I doubt you would lose much by going for the short one instead.Spoiler: Part 1
Spoiler: Part 2It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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VP Baltar he/himSurvivorhe/him
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This is a wild reads list.In post 381, Something_Smart wrote:(most town)
Something_Smart
OutWorldER
Almost50, Andresvmb, Aristeia, Datisi, Frogsterking, House, innocentvillager, Laplacian, Reformed Toxic Player, skitter30, VP Baltar (tie)
(most mafia)
Tell me more about skitter, laplacian, RTP and andres pleaseYOUR AD HERE
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VP Baltar he/himSurvivorhe/him
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What does this mean more specifically?In post 380, OutWorldER wrote:unique sort of aggressivenessYOUR AD HERE
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VP Baltar he/himSurvivorhe/him
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And A50In post 382, VP Baltar wrote:
This is a wild reads list.In post 381, Something_Smart wrote:(most town)
Something_Smart
OutWorldER
Almost50, Andresvmb, Aristeia, Datisi, Frogsterking, House, innocentvillager, Laplacian, Reformed Toxic Player, skitter30, VP Baltar (tie)
(most mafia)
Tell me more about skitter, laplacian, RTP and andres pleaseYOUR AD HERE
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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In post 382, VP Baltar wrote:Tell me more about skitter, laplacian, RTP and andres please
I have no significant alignment-leaning thoughts on them one way or the other.In post 384, VP Baltar wrote:And A50It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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VP Baltar he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Frogsterking He/himJack of All TradesHe/him
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I don't like that game either, I like most of the players, but I don't like reading my posts, I think I drank too much back then.In post 374, OutWorldER wrote:Frogster is playing mostly how I remember them playing in 2185, very forceful and ambitious. As a side note, I am mad about 2185 being linked since it's been a year and I'm still angry about that game.
Although @Frogster why is (was? did your read change drastically at 307?) RTP a big scumread for you?
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I did ISOs before posting the survey and I interpreted RTP's first dozen or so pages as an experienced scum appearing relaxed and unconcerned about what others think. This is because they seemed irreverent, disorderly, and changed their posting style, combined with no indication of moving the discussion forward or scum hunting. I interpret this to be well within the expected range of an experienced scum player.
My read did change drastically since then based on RTP's reaction to my survey (which contained my PoE placing them near the very bottom) and flawed attempt to meta dive me because they made me think that they genuinely are interested in moving things forward and they have indeed been scum hunting. I weight this extra heavily because they responded to me in real time, where most of my experience is. I do not think RTP's behavior since my FoS in the survey post is within the expected range of scum play.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.-
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In post 339, VP Baltar wrote:What did I say that is inaccurate?YOUR AD HERE
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Frogsterking He/himJack of All TradesHe/him
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Thank you very much for completing it! I'm glad you did because I have exponentially more information about where you stand in the game and where you're coming from.In post 381, Something_Smart wrote:I took the long test, but I wouldn't recommend it. I only did it because I have a ton of down time at work anyway. There were a lot of essentially repeated questions, I doubt you would lose much by going for the short one instead.Spoiler: Part 1
Spoiler: Part 2
I hope you're town and that more town players will follow suit and complete the survey. I believe it's against mafia's win condition to allow several town players to collaborate and complete the survey together because of the threat of a town block forming. However it's also against mafia's best interest to complete the survey and provide information which can always be referenced back to them because they will have less flexibility later on.
And as reluctant as some players have been to complete the survey, imagine how much more reluctant you would be to complete the survey as scum, where you are actively participating against your win con.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.-
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VP Baltar he/himSurvivorhe/him
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Datisi it/heDrawn from Memoryit/he
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completing the survey would be the first thing i would do as scum because i don't believe for a second that someone who has zero prior experience with me can accurately read my alignment based on seeing a personality test reportI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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OutWorldER He/HimMafia ScumHe/Him
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I'm not sure I can put it into words. The best I can come up with that Frogster often feels...showy? Like when he's 1v1ing someone, it often feels like he's talking about them and not at them, I guess? I can't really describe how I feel about it. I just know that the tone he's taking in his interactions with you feels similar to tone I felt in 2185.In post 383, VP Baltar wrote:
What does this mean more specifically?In post 380, OutWorldER wrote:unique sort of aggressiveness
@Frogster honestly most of my residual anger from that game comes from the RB fakeclaim nonsense that got me elim'd, and not you.
I think scum!RTP is more likely to actively wrangle the gamestate towards a certain way and they've been passive in that regard, so that's why I've kept a townread on them for right now.-
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Posts personality test, then desperately tries to justify why NO REALLY this isn't trash.In post 42, Frogsterking wrote:I agree that personality tests are pseudosciencehowever statistics is not and the OCEAN has statistical evidence for its constructs. OCEAN was created by an algorithm using computer science and the results were then interpreted by psychologists, it was not created the other way around where a psychologist makes up a personality test and then pretends he has evidence for his metrics.YOUR AD HERE
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VP Baltar he/himSurvivorhe/him
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22 pages in after survey, townreading two scum.In post 537, Frogsterking wrote:Right now I've got
Townbloc:
Gamma, Grendel, Galron, NPOM, myself
Town:
Luca, Amelie, momrangal
Null:
Trendall
Scum:
Lunar and some combination of the last few
This would suggest the survey is no better than random at finding scum and is useless.YOUR AD HERE
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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Really? Because if you look at my answers and yours I think it's quite unlikely we'll be able to form a townblocIn post 390, Frogsterking wrote:I hope you're town and that more town players will follow suit and complete the survey. I believe it's against mafia's win condition to allow several town players to collaborate and complete the survey together because of the threat of a town block forming.
Fwiw my answers were 0% related to my alignment, as was my decision to participate. I'm not convinced that this knowledge can really be used in a useful way, especially since you seem to have a bias toward townreading people who complete it. I certainly do not think that two people who know each other and have played with each other will be able to read each other better after seeing each other's answers. Maybe it's a way to get a bit of handle on someone whom you've never met, but so is interacting with them in the game and asking them pointed and non-vague questions about how they operate.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Something_Smart He/himSomewhat_BalancedHe/him
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In post 391, VP Baltar wrote:Why wouldn't the mafia just lie on your survey?
Also these are both very interesting responses, so credit to Frogster for eliciting them.In post 392, Datisi wrote:completing the survey would be the first thing i would do as scum because i don't believe for a second that someone who has zero prior experience with me can accurately read my alignment based on seeing a personality test reportIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I think they're both +town.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Frogsterking He/himJack of All TradesHe/him
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I don't think you understand accurately enough yet what I'm trying to communicate to you in order for you to dismiss it.In post 392, Datisi wrote:completing the survey would be the first thing i would do as scum because i don't believe for a second that someone who has zero prior experience with me can accurately read my alignment based on seeing a personality test report
The test given in Part 1 is not a personality test, at least not one you would ordinarily encounter in day to day scenarios, because those tests don't have test validity or predictive value, those are made to sell things and have not been statistically validated. This isn't giving you a type of personality, this is measuring your temperament across five dimensions. I don't care if it helps me determine your alignment, I can interact better with you just by knowing your temperament, and we can see problems coming ahead of time if all of us are extreme in certain directions. The five factor model appears like a personality test on the surface because it's simple to understand and we are used to personality tests. However, this is built from a quantitative model that has been peer reviewed extensively and has predictive value. People like this VD Basar guy are closed minded because they believe they already know what's important so there's no need to study statistics, which leads to pathetic displays like he is showing here where he is completely unable to understand the difference between a factor model and a simple personality test because he doesn't understand the concept of test validity and validating a construct.
Please don't allow people like VD Basar to influence you away from discovering new resources that are useful because it would invalidate their ego to admit some of their assumptions about the world are completely and dangerously wrong.
This is taken from the web page I linked to:
Purpose of this On-Line Inventory
The primary purpose of this on line inventory is to educate the public about the five factor model of personality.
More specifically, the report explains the likely consequences of one's standing on five broad personality domains.
These broad domains cover normal differences in personality that should be obvious to people who know you well.
Secondarily, this inventory estimates your standing on the 5 broad domains and 30 subdomains of personality.
The inventory does not reveal hidden, secret information about you nor does it assess serious psychological disorders.
The report is designed to be objective, not pleasing or flattering.
Measurement error, misunderstandings, carelessness, and mischievous responding can invalidate the report.
If knowledgeable acquaintances disagree with the test results, then the results are wrong.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
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