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[Datisi]

house and frogster stop interacting with each other, you're bloating the game and nothing good comes from it

[House]

And if I'm scum why not just post my observations in scum chat and night kill you both?

To save a bullet if you're wrong or I'm faking a soft to lure the kill, perhaps?

[House]

house and frogster stop interacting with each other, you're bloating the game and nothing good comes from it

Fine

[Reformed Toxic Player]

in a mason world, a backup claim becomes much more suspicious to me

[House]

in a mason world, a backup claim becomes much more suspicious to me

Eh. He's not a d1 concern, at any rate.

I want Lap's blood more than ever.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

absolutely

which is why im sticking my vote here on lap still rofl

[Aristeia]

on the bright side we won't have to argue about IV

[Aristeia]

I think Lapla is at E-1 btw

[House]

I think Lapla is at E-1 btw

[House]

Not to interact with anyone, but I'm just gonna say... that when a player gets to E-2 & it's outed that there's a player that quickhammers for funsies that isn't already on the wagon, and one of the players voting that wagon hops off and tries to start not 1, but 2 other wagons to counter it...

... it raises my eyebrow.

[House]

See the eyebrow?

SEE IT?!

[Datisi]

why is azelf blinking

that is not at all the reasoning I thought you would have, it seems equally weird to saying that posting your OCEAN results would help townies read you. do you really think scum would go like "oh he has high levels of anxiety, let's try to make him freak out"? (well honestly it doesn't take an OCEAN result to figure

that

one out)

yes and no? frogster's argument earlier on was that we should post the results in order to learn how to better interact with each other etc. while that obviously has good effects if we're town, it can be abused if he's scum and knows how to use it. am i genuinely worried that the game is gonna become completely unreadable to me because scum is gonna cater to my test results? not really, no. but it is possible that, by knowing a lot or everyone's profile, they could theoretically more easily construct a gamestate. again, not really a huge worry, but it is a part of the reason why i don't want to take the test.

btw, this was my reasoning for putting rtp in "slightly townie but also very headache" part of the triangle - i recognized that their "townread" on laplacian was just fishing for associates, bc i know they do that as town. my issue is that that seemed a *bit* too over the top, like if their true goal was getting associates, it felt a *bit* too friendly.

Are you saying this is why you're giving them townpoints or this is why they are a headache and you're less sure?

both. they're doing something i know they love to do as town, so that's townpoints. but they're doing it in such a way that feels almost a bit *too* on the nose or over the top, which makes me paranoid it might be done with the intention of having other players notice they're doing it, not for the sake of actually getting associates.

Did see one thing in my catch up that maybe puts me more at ease with Datisi, so that's good.

can i know what this is? for, uh, future reference.

the fact that i think iv is much less paranoid of vp so he stops me from spiraling into a paranoia tunnel, but the fact that vp was not even mentioned in the list is ??? ? ? ? ?? ?

ok i see he was mentioned in 533 and uuuuuuuuugh iv why can't you just be town instead of spending so much time explaining why you won't be town

Coming back to this...there are several people not mentioned in IV's list (me, andres, Outworld, SS, etc).

Why did you single me out?

from what i remember of the games where me, you, and iv were t/t/t, it's that i'm prone do get paranoid of you, while iv is prone to read you correctly without that silly paranoia. i know there was at least one instance in 2207 were i was rambling about you being scum for some nonsense reason and iv was like "datisi shut the fuck up he's not scum". so, i found it weird that he didn't mention you because i remember him being able to read you easily (to be fair, maybe less than i'm actually giving him credit for, i haven't gone back to check). and i'm also annoyed because i'm *hoping* we're t/t/t again, and him quelling my paranoia here would help me, and he didn't do that >_>

I'm likely to eliminate Andres from that list too soon they're just a difficult read for me

since *when* is andres a difficult read for you??

also, why are you being so... neurotic? i don't think anyone is currently scumreading you >_>

bottom of pg 36, be back later

[Datisi]

this isn't leading to a vote on you .... if i'm wrong on vp i'd like to discuss it with you and see where i'm wrong, as rn i townread him p strongly

+1

[Frogsterking]

Okay, I'm caught up and Frogsterking's post stuck out the most for me. It feels a lot like "I made a helpful town thing, look how townie I am!". If he posts the survey and it is legit helpful, then consider this retracted, but until then it's blatantly grabbing for trust.
VOTE: Frogsterking

The survey says I'm a Taurus and should be in Ravenclaw, pretty sure that makes me town.

Anyway, while Big 5 / FFM was made up by actual psychologists and is used in some research, it was still made by taking an assload of subjective observational data, tossing it into a bag of linear algebra, shaking them together and hoping it works. The results are non-orthogonal, omit fundamental aspects of human nature, and traits like neuroticism trivially change based on the testee's mood. Saying "factor analysis" isn't a pass btw; algorithms are biased if their data is biased. My personal favorite was a hiring algorithm where the strongest traits it looked for were playing high-school lacrosse and being named Jared. Yes, researchers get results out of OCEAN tests. Alchemists got results too. Pretending this survey is objective and flawless is peak comedy, and accusing people of being closed minded for dismissing it is some freshmen psych student bullshit.

I should probably actually play the game too. frogster is townlean because of the sheer effort but I'm leaving the vote on them anyway because I scored 0.16969% on the openness temperament and a 420% on the grumpy at misusing psych tests trait. House still town, Datsi's giving me good townfeels too with good contributions and thought out posts

ffff that's a lot of posts. I'll fully respond once I'm off work, but 1. frogster's 592 case is garbage and 2. what exactly is "lunchbait"? I have ideas from context, but want to make sure.

Dear Lap,

Hey Lap, I felt this great painful sensation like there was fierce, nasty space beetle with slicing mandibles and a hot exoskeleton that burned like the sun, and it was following me, gnawing away at my skin no matter how far I walked, and I thought of you!

I looked back at your content you created in this game and I asked myself
"Is this awful feeling coming from Lap? Has reading Lap's writing slowly been causing some kind of corrosive effect on me?" But then I SIGHED with relief when I realized; I was being silly, Lap lost the game way too quickly to have an effect like that, I just needed to scratch my foot!

I started to wonder if Lap would have fun in the GY while everyone else gets to finish the game, watching Lap's own irrelevant contributions Lap left behind never used or referred back to later.

I started worrying, Lap would likely be sad once they only had themselves to talk to! Lap would probably be confused!

I decided to employ my creativity to come up with some of some kind of exercise suited for the level of depth even Lap could operate on. What in the world could possibly help to improve the terrible play that lead to Lap being selected for the D1 execution, even though there were many intense battles and unexpected developments Lap was unable to any take part in? I asked myself
"Maybe if Lap could read and write much faster, or had an effective persona, or ideas, Lap wouldn't have fallen so far behind in the game?" I didn't know what to do. I toiled away, as you know I do, and

behold..

eureka!

The fertile lands of the frog swamp have yielded us once more! I came across this:

https://brainfall.com/quizzes/which-dis ... s-are-you/

It's not just based on observational data (though the observational data it draws on is world class), it also uses art, storytelling, and factor analysis (quantified variables) which are synthesized (which means to combine the elements) using an algorithm (a simple mathematical formula.)

The concept behind my idea was that maybe you could both 1) use the results of the test as guidance while you 2) use the GY chat as scaffolding so you could practice combining the thoughts in your head into creating something that doesn't fail!!

Goodbye Lap, you won't be missed,
or probably remembered

Yours truly, Frog

[Datisi]

vp:

A50 is a very competent player and my vote has nothing to do with him claiming...

So you would like to get rid of a very competent player? Couldn't they help us solve the game later?

I want to get rid of scum. They are not going to help us later in the game.

also vp:

Andres is late game beast as town. We aren't yeeting him

:thonk:

[Datisi]

vp:

A50 is a very competent player and my vote has nothing to do with him claiming...

So you would like to get rid of a very competent player? Couldn't they help us solve the game later?

I want to get rid of scum. They are not going to help us later in the game.

also vp:

Andres is late game beast as town. We aren't yeeting him

:thonk:

[Datisi]

don't have thoughts on rtp, dats, ari

how do you don't have thoughts on me yet >_>

[House]

don't have thoughts on rtp, dats, ari

how do you don't have thoughts on me yet >_>

Or RTP?

Smells like lack of reading.

[Aristeia]

maybe you are more mysterious than usual this game

[Datisi]

okay i'm sorta caught up

my current most important thing is either getting a townread on laplacian or yeeting him into the sun. looks like the latter is more likely to happen. second most important thing is actually managing to talk with rtp about their vp read. besides, now that iv is a mason (i'm taking the claim at face value until proven otherwise), there's gonna have to be some re-eval from them. (and from me, realistically...)

unfortunately,

v/la for the next 48 hours.

i got 2 exams and an interview tomorrow, so i'll be spending the day preparing that shit, and i'll be spending tomorrow trying to not die. i might check in here and there, but don't expect much from me until friday morning. i'd prefer there's no hammers until i'm back, but i won't hold it against y'all too much if there is.

[Aristeia]

good luck with your exams/interview!

I'm sure you will do amazing ^___^

Spoiler: for Datisi

[House]

maybe you are more mysterious than usual this game

About to head out to work in a few.

I'll check in when I can, so don't do anything stupid while I'm not here to actively twist people's arms into voting for scum.

[House]

i'd prefer there's no hammers until i'm back

I'd prefer there is, so you might as well do it and have night phase during your 48 hour VLA.

[Datisi]

thank you, ari, i like the song <3

and house, i'm already voting there, plus i don't want to yeet without a claim.

[skitter30]

Who is the scumbutt pushing him?

Why must there be one?

Because a Laplacian elimination was all the rage until I went to bed, and now all of a sudden he's losing steam for no good reason

whatsoever

& iv is catching a shitton of shade.

He's really not ... frog questioning tne wagon and pushing iv isnt necessarily gonna be making iv the push here