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[Frogsterking]

And no I cannot. As scum I work off who my buddies are and what’s most advantageous. If I was scum with a lurker I already I believe linked the game where I become everyone’s friend.
If I am scum with a bad scum I teach them scum
If I am scum with a good scum we vibe.

It sounds like you are less aggressive as scum then.

[Datisi]

math isn't town, i know it's going to be a hard sell because everyone's gonna be like "but the clear!!" but the thing is, math has absolutely nothing going for him other than the clear

so how did A50 know there was a vig

a) lucky guess
b) informed
c) scum has a role that goes with vigilante

[Datisi]

like, how hilarious would it be if iv was the jailkeeper, and math was scum n1 informed of vigilante existing

[MathBlade]

And no I cannot. As scum I work off who my buddies are and what’s most advantageous. If I was scum with a lurker I already I believe linked the game where I become everyone’s friend.
If I am scum with a bad scum I teach them scum
If I am scum with a good scum we vibe.

It sounds like you are less aggressive as scum then.

Nope I am just as.
I just am more able to see what people want and I give it to them
Here I care about truth.

[MathBlade]

math isn't town, i know it's going to be a hard sell because everyone's gonna be like "but the clear!!" but the thing is, math has absolutely nothing going for him other than the clear

so how did A50 know there was a vig

a) lucky guess
b) informed
c) scum has a role that goes with vigilante

Dats got more stretch in him than Gumby

[Something_Smart]

That's, like, insane amounts of luck though.

[Frogsterking]

math isn't town, i know it's going to be a hard sell because everyone's gonna be like "but the clear!!" but the thing is, math has absolutely nothing going for him other than the clear

so how did A50 know there was a vig

Here:

OK.. maybe I can elaborate a little bit: I am a N1 backup of a certain role. Otherwise I'm powerless. Thus to a Nea/VT Cop I am more of a bloody Miller. I am Informed of the Role I am a backup to, but if the mod is trolling the role could maybe not be in play, thus I'm just a Named Townie. (and THUS the uncertainty)

[Datisi]

it wouldn't need to be luck. it's not unheard of that mods put backups for roles that don't exist. a n1 backup vig with no actual vig would have a point of being a false guilty for a neap, vanilla cop, or gunsmith. i'm not saying he was aiming at there being a vig, just that it was a coincidence there was one.

[Something_Smart]

Here:

I meant if he were scum.

[Something_Smart]

it wouldn't need to be luck. it's not unheard of that mods put backups for roles that don't exist. a n1 backup vig with no actual vig would have a point of being a false guilty for a neap, vanilla cop, or gunsmith. i'm not saying he was aiming at there being a vig, just that it was a coincidence there was one.

It's still luck that there does happen to be one. A backup vig claim with no vig in sight would raise quite a few eyebrows. If there was no role investigative role then I think people would just straight-up not believe it.

[MathBlade]

Frog you’re probably not going to be able to meta me.
I hate trust tells with a passion so I aim to make the metas similar.
The last difference is how to get people to listen here like they do on most sites.

[Frogsterking]

Here:

I meant if he were scum.

Isn't like "Informed goon" or whatever a common role in Normal setup creation? and he just lied about his alignment.

[MathBlade]

it wouldn't need to be luck. it's not unheard of that mods put backups for roles that don't exist. a n1 backup vig with no actual vig would have a point of being a false guilty for a neap, vanilla cop, or gunsmith. i'm not saying he was aiming at there being a vig, just that it was a coincidence there was one.

It's still luck that there does happen to be one. A backup vig claim with no vig in sight would raise quite a few eyebrows. If there was no role investigative role then I think people would just straight-up not believe it.

Nah they would
I have done vig enabler without a vig and still won

[Something_Smart]

I hate trust tells with a passion so I aim to make the metas similar.

Does this mean you deliberately play town like how you play scum?

[Datisi]

i mean... as a person who often claims nonsense as scum, my experience tells me that people VERY MUCH believe it.

[MathBlade]

Here:

I meant if he were scum.

Isn't like "Informed goon" or whatever a common role in Normal setup creation? and he just lied about his alignment.

Informed is a common thing but it has been falling out of favor because the last few setups were scum needs something “informed” and that just doesn’t work well

[Something_Smart]

I have done vig enabler without a vig and still won

This kind of thing used to be popular to put in setups in like 2015-2016. Maybe you can get away with it then. Not now, I don't think.

[Something_Smart]

Isn't like "Informed goon" or whatever a common role in Normal setup creation? and he just lied about his alignment.

What would be the design justification for informing scum of a vig?

[MathBlade]

I hate trust tells with a passion so I aim to make the metas similar.

Does this mean you deliberately play town like how you play scum?

It means I aim to make both similar
Eg try to cooperate as both alignments
Try to use same words
Etc.

I play town with the goal of eliminating scum
And scum the goal of elimming whoever helps me win

[MathBlade]

I have done vig enabler without a vig and still won

This kind of thing used to be popular to put in setups in like 2015-2016. Maybe you can get away with it then. Not now, I don't think.

Already linked a game where I got away with it lol

[Datisi]

i can hear rtp from the dead thread

they're screaming about us getting lost in pointless wifom mech discussion instead of killing scum

[MathBlade]

i can hear rtp from the dead thread

they're screaming about us getting lost in pointless wifom mech discussion instead of killing scum

I can hear him screaming how they were wrong about you sir and bemoaning it
How VP is screaming you’re scum

Like I will vote who House does but this doesn’t change my opinion

[Something_Smart]

i can hear rtp from the dead thread

they're screaming about us getting lost in pointless wifom mech discussion instead of killing scum

I've had enough of the reverse that I couldn't care less.

[Frogsterking]

Isn't like "Informed goon" or whatever a common role in Normal setup creation? and he just lied about his alignment.

What would be the design justification for informing scum of a vig?

To give scum team more options with regards to making their fake claims more believable, making the true setup a little more difficult to guess for town. In line with this goal here:

X amount of curveballs is necessary, my mindset is that I've recently read complaints from TM about PP's (essentially normal) setup being easily guessable

If some amount of curveballs are desirable, ones that don't change optimal PR play at all but make the setup harder to guess are very desirable

Some Isis design thoughts, pulled from a review I did with her, if this is helpful @Datisi

[Something_Smart]

To give scum team more options with regards to making their fake claims more believable, making the true setup a little more difficult to guess for town.

But like 90%+ of scum players would not claim backup vig there.