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[Aristeia]

like I didn't think House was an actual TPR.

Nothing about his play made sense as a TPR.

but whoever is running scumside thought House is a TPR that could be proven because if he isn't - you just leave House alive and when House can't prove himself - today he gets yeeted game is over.

Why doesn't scum do this?

IMO the reason they don't do this is because they believed House is a provable TPR and will be in control of the thread today - which they wouldn't believe if they thought IV is actually an Even Night Gunsmith.

[Aristeia]

think for a second about the balance in this setup - this town is INCREDIBLY WEAK

Like the scum made a choice to shoot House.

I think this means the scum actually believed House when House said he was a provable TPR because the scum thought the town was really really weak - which implies the scum know something about the claimed TPRs - aka they know IV is not an actual gunsmith.

It’s actually not.

Vig acts as a dual IC in normals.

The modifier can’t be given to scum.

You can't both claim this town is so weak that IV must be town and then in the same breath claim this town is not incredibly weak - it feels like you are doing some incredibly gymnastics to refuse to see the issue here.

[Aristeia]

Actually shooting House makes a lot of sense if the scum team is Mathblade/IV because no other shot makes sense in that team scenario

[MathBlade]

think for a second about the balance in this setup - this town is INCREDIBLY WEAK

Like the scum made a choice to shoot House.

I think this means the scum actually believed House when House said he was a provable TPR because the scum thought the town was really really weak - which implies the scum know something about the claimed TPRs - aka they know IV is not an actual gunsmith.

It’s actually not.

Vig acts as a dual IC in normals.

The modifier can’t be given to scum.

You can't both claim this town is so weak that IV must be town and then in the same breath claim this town is not incredibly weak - it feels like you are doing some incredibly gymnastics to refuse to see the issue here.

I don’t think so.

I think it is perfectly balanced with you ascetic traitor.

It would take mental gymnastics to argue town is so weak let’s subtract the only PR multishot we have.

[MathBlade]

like I didn't think House was an actual TPR.

Nothing about his play made sense as a TPR.

but whoever is running scumside thought House is a TPR that could be proven because if he isn't - you just leave House alive and when House can't prove himself - today he gets yeeted game is over.

Why doesn't scum do this?

IMO the reason they don't do this is because they believed House is a provable TPR and will be in control of the thread today - which they wouldn't believe if they thought IV is actually an Even Night Gunsmith.

Nah scum can easily do the shading you’re doing now.

I even called out this possibility as did you.

[MathBlade]

Actually shooting House makes a lot of sense if the scum team is Mathblade/IV because no other shot makes sense in that team scenario

If I was scum with IV I shoot Datisi here.

[Aristeia]

No I've already stated that only way IV is town is if Scum have a Roleblocker.

And Scum having a roleblocker would make this setup even more scumsided.

[Aristeia]

Actually shooting House makes a lot of sense if the scum team is Mathblade/IV because no other shot makes sense in that team scenario

If I was scum with IV I shoot Datisi here.

And leave House alive? What if House turns out to be a Day 5 IC or a Vig and you end up getting hard shoved by House/Me?

[MathBlade]

No I've already stated that only way IV is town is if Scum have a Roleblocker.

And Scum having a roleblocker would make this setup even more scumsided.

Your second premise is false. You’ve stated it and it doesn’t make it true.

[MathBlade]

Actually shooting House makes a lot of sense if the scum team is Mathblade/IV because no other shot makes sense in that team scenario

If I was scum with IV I shoot Datisi here.

And leave House alive? What if House turns out to be a Day 5 IC or a Vig and you end up getting hard shoved by House/Me?

It was already clear House was full of shit.

I just thought he was scum full of shit.

[Aristeia]

It is true to me

I no longer believe you are discussing things in good faith with me.

You continue to tunnel in on me being specifically ascetic traitor scum

[Aristeia]

Actually shooting House makes a lot of sense if the scum team is Mathblade/IV because no other shot makes sense in that team scenario

If I was scum with IV I shoot Datisi here.

And leave House alive? What if House turns out to be a Day 5 IC or a Vig and you end up getting hard shoved by House/Me?

It was already clear House was full of shit.

I just thought he was scum full of shit.

We're talking in the scenario where you are scum with IV

[Aristeia]

You are doing some incredible bending to refuse to consider the possibility of IV being scum despite many pieces of evidence stacking up against him.

[Datisi]

it's clear the two of you will not agree on anything, so can you lower your spam a bit so that iv and andres do not have even more excuses for not contributing?

[MathBlade]

It is true to me

I no longer believe you are discussing things in good faith with me.

You continue to tunnel in on me being specifically ascetic traitor scum

Oh it’s a I disagree I am not discussing in good faith again.

FFS

No one is answering the questions I had about why IV is town.

The only way this setup is balanced is if he is.

Now when Andres gets back I want to see if it’s Ari + Dat or if one or more of you are hopelessly desperate for IV scum.

Let me be abundantly clear
Every mechanical idea I have had about this setup has been true.
So shade me all you want but
Scum bussed fact
SS said IV town and gunsmith backs up my claim fact

Now I need to figure out if this is Andres scum or if it’s just you + Dat scum

[Aristeia]

I would accept your level of confidence if you were good at town or if you had been right so far this game but you've been wrong on every single read.

D2 you voted for skitter - she's town
D3 you voted for frog - he's town
D4 you voted for House -he's town.

The fact that IV is still alive as a claimed TPR investigative who survived being nightkilled over the person you were sure was scum yesterday should've reset your reads but you continue to refuse to.

Where do you get the confidence to triple down on your convictions after being wrong on so many flips?

[MathBlade]

I would accept your level of confidence if you were good at town or if you had been right so far this game but you've been wrong on every single read.

D2 you voted for skitter - she's town
D3 you voted for frog - he's town
D4 you voted for House -he's town.

The fact that IV is still alive as a claimed TPR investigative who survived being nightkilled over the person you were sure was scum yesterday should've reset your reads but you continue to refuse to.

Where do you get the confidence to triple down on your convictions after being wrong on so many flips?

I am not tripling down on reads. I am tripling down on the mechanics every dead Townie agreed on.

[Aristeia]

I am not tripling down on reads. I am tripling down on the mechanics every dead Townie agreed on.

House did not agree, he's dead right now - scum shot him over the claimed mech-clear town investigative role.

If I'm "ascetic scum" why would I not be worried about IV creating a clear by targetting in Datisi/Andres?

[Aristeia]

You're tripling down on your assumption about this setup despite the nightkills clearly showing something is fucked up.

[Datisi]

you know what ELSE a dead townie agreed on? that iv is scum if he survives the night!!! and that townie got shot!!! he got shot even though you are literally cleared town!!!!! imagine that!!!!!!

[MathBlade]

I will not vote IV today without a setup where IV is scum that is reasonable to me.

SS one of the most mechanically smart players said IV is town.

My role PM likely indicated one at the start.

You can yell all you want it won’t happen.

[MathBlade]

you know what ELSE a dead townie agreed on? that iv is scum if he survives the night!!! and that townie got shot!!! he got shot even though you are literally cleared town!!!!! imagine that!!!!!!

House pretty much decided to make it a shit show just to no elim

He was making up crazy bullshit just to get his way.

His reads were utter garbage as he disregarded everything.

[MathBlade]

So no someone who is intentionally deceptive I can’t tell what he believed and was a wolf in town clothing.

[Datisi]

His reads were utter garbage as he disregarded everything.

is this not the PERFECT person to being to 5p?

[Aristeia]

His reads were utter garbage as he disregarded everything.

if his reads are utter garbage why did the scum shoot him and let you live?