I had reached the conclusion that you’re Town as a derivative of how I’ve been looking at the game, and the mechanical certainty that you’re a Gunsmith, and I think this Town is too weak without your role in play in some fashion. I don’t think there’s a Rolestopper / Jailkeeper on the Scum side, since I agree it’s too strong and makes the game far too Scum sided. But I can’t imagine that the Town only had a Vigilante for 1-Shot basically (with a random Commuter addition that was never going to be used in that situation), a Weak Disloyal Fruit Vendor (who btw, outted and didn’t do much probably anticipating not being the strongest role, and then what, proving to be the main role for Town? absurd), and a Backup that’s gone unused. In part I’m hesitating because I don’t think I’m the strongest player analyzing balance, and I have never been a Mod around here or reviewed a setup. I’ve played a lot of games, so that’s the only way I know what sort of makes sense, and what makes for an un-winnable game for either side. But I don’t think I can definitively say these are the roles that should exist, and these are the roles that cannot exist. Having said that, I don’t think I’m the weakest Town player around either, so I do trust my ability to sort through a setup and think through whether something makes sense.In post 5534, innocentvillager wrote:On Tuesday I go back to my normal hours again so I'll try to do something tomorrow while I still have the long weekend.
Andres can you remind me why you think I'm town? And why you scumread Aris, for that matter, besides not liking her AtE on a personal level (also is that part of the scumread or just something you don't like)?
I feel like you're just stalling because you don't want to rule out the me/Datisi world when you vote Aris. Also I feel like you'd rather wait for Datisi to vote me so you can just hammer me instead of having to make the first move.
There’s a few things in this game I don’t understand. I don’t understand why Aristeia and Datisi, who remain in my mind the most likely solve, shoot House. I can’t fully explain that. The problem with arguments about the NK is that they have been made (and are made) for chaos sometimes, or to frame a player, or out of mechanical considerations that are stronger than the impact that player would make as Town. I always remember that in situations like this, you need to make sure all of the Town vote correctly, or you lose. House was the easiest execution today if you had sorted out that they didn’t make any sense having a power role, which most of the players alive hinted at in some fashion. They also seemed very likely to vote for you IV. But if they were wrong about you, and you’re Town, then why not set up that 1v1 and then the Scum just win the game? The most paranoid player I know still left is probably Datisi, and they’re the only player I see concluding that House was actually a PR, and shooting there to avoid any shenanigans with a potential role. That still leaves open the question as to how a potential House role would fit with a Town Gunsmith, but I can’t fully get into that mindset because I knew House was full of shit. And that’s a bit the rub.
As to your question about Aristeia, it’s not only that I find it distasteful, which I do, but that I SR the play. If you’re Town, then trying to bash players endlessly for looking at things a certain way is not how you get them to do the “right thing”. What Aristeia was doing to Mathblade for example seemed designed to get them to question their skills and worldview to the point where they either fail to act completely, or do what they wanted them to do. It’s manipulative in the extreme. I can’t TR it.
I also think the player least likely to be Scum is Mathblade. Mechanically, I don’t see it. I don’t see how we have a false clear. So I have to trust that Mathblade is Town or I know we have lost the game. Mathblade is now trying to argue that I’m Scum because *gasp* I have been enjoying my long weekend. But they can fuck off with that. If you want to make the most idiotic move in Mafia ever by randomly voting for a player in ELo outside of the established 1v1, by all means. But they’re still almost surely Town, and I can’t go against what they’ve been saying this whole game when they’ve been correct about a few key items and constantly ignored.
I will say, I think Aristeia brings some valid points about you, which is why I haven’t voted honestly. In part, I wanted to express as much certainty as possible here to try and get the Team to crystallize for me in some fashion, making the job a bit easier. I haven’t been able to get Datisi to vote, and Mathblade is obviously going to wait until the last minute, so that’s clearly failed, but I wanted to give myself a chance to maximize the odds of victory by making sense of a full solve with votes down and the game not over. Alternatively, maybe the game does end and it’s not my fault. That’s a bit cowardly, I know, but what are you doing to do.
