Infernal Affairs - Game Over!

[Tejate Raichu]

VOTE: Magikhorse is one scum and my pick for the partner is

Tejate

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vote town (magic), bus buddy (Tejate)?

it makes 0 sense to me to be pushing a Magic wagon when there was a healthy TR wagon while calling TR scum.

I'm only gonna respond to this part of the post cause I feel like I've already responded to the other two points. Just want to say, if nothing else we can agree on this. Makes little sense regardless of whether the read on me is individual or associative.

its just a bus

You sure that's a healthy amount of iocane powder to ingest? Perhaps you should have drank from the other cup after all.

Andante's recent posts are interesting, and I'll do some reconsidering of the slot.

elaborate (super important) (please put it at the top of your in-game to do list) (not clickbait)

Let me go chug like a gallon of water and I'll get back to you on that.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Frogster King and Not_Mafia have been prodded

[Not_Mafia]

Spoiler: Readslist

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[Tejate Raichu]

Andante's recent posts are interesting, and I'll do some reconsidering of the slot.

elaborate (super important) (please put it at the top of your in-game to do list) (not clickbait)

I think I'm coming around on a null read for now. Null as in, I feel like I'm getting mixed signals rather than there's nothing there at all. Early posts (shortly after RVS) as I have already made apparent gave me scumvibes and I was not particularly fond of them. Their wallposts (particularly 553 and 555) gave me much more of an impression that they're actually trying to sort, even if I don't necessarily agree with every point presented in these posts. Disagreeing doesn't automatically make someone maf, and agreement doesn't automatically make someone town either. That being said, their earlier posts do still trouble me a bit and I think it might be easier to read the slot a bit later when there's more to be said. I came away from my re-read of Andante's ISO feeling conflicted more than anything.

[MagikHorse]

Andante is definitely a player's that's improved over time. The start of the game was really fluffy and weak, but he's grown into a more solve-focused role. Definitely want to see more of this, the same way I want Toog to push a bit more.

Hell is drawing more attention from me. That ISO is not very impressive to say the least. Same with Rat's ISO. Don't know why these two are N_M's top town reads. Just what exactly is he seeing in those two?

I do agree with his scumread on Dwlee though, it's another generally unimpressive ISO that's not putting in much effort to try and solve or garner information.

Now time to take a nap. Some of the pain meds I'm on are knocking me out hard, and making it a bit hard to stay awake.

[Scorpious]

Andante is definitely a player's that's improved over time. The start of the game was really fluffy and weak, but he's grown into a more solve-focused role. Definitely want to see more of this, the same way I want Toog to push a bit more.

Hell is drawing more attention from me. That ISO is not very impressive to say the least. Same with Rat's ISO. Don't know why these two are N_M's top town reads. Just what exactly is he seeing in those two?

I do agree with his scumread on Dwlee though, it's another generally unimpressive ISO that's not putting in much effort to try and solve or garner information.

Now time to take a nap. Some of the pain meds I'm on are knocking me out hard, and making it a bit hard to stay awake.

Do you honestly feel NM’s reads are real? He’s got himself as his scummiest read.DWlee’s iso is always garbage. It’s their playstyle.
And Adante is a “she”.

[The Keeper]

Since when does N_M come with an item pool?!

[Dwlee99]

Andante is definitely a player's that's improved over time. The start of the game was really fluffy and weak, but he's grown into a more solve-focused role. Definitely want to see more of this, the same way I want Toog to push a bit more.

Hell is drawing more attention from me. That ISO is not very impressive to say the least. Same with Rat's ISO. Don't know why these two are N_M's top town reads. Just what exactly is he seeing in those two?

I do agree with his scumread on Dwlee though, it's another generally unimpressive ISO that's not putting in much effort to try and solve or garner information.

Now time to take a nap. Some of the pain meds I'm on are knocking me out hard, and making it a bit hard to stay awake.

Do you honestly feel NM’s reads are real? He’s got himself as his scummiest read.DWlee’s iso is always garbage. It’s their playstyle.
And Adante is a “she”.

Excuse me

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: Frog

This is provisional based on their disappearance.

I’m not wagoning a ghost.

[Scorpious]

Andante is definitely a player's that's improved over time. The start of the game was really fluffy and weak, but he's grown into a more solve-focused role. Definitely want to see more of this, the same way I want Toog to push a bit more.

Hell is drawing more attention from me. That ISO is not very impressive to say the least. Same with Rat's ISO. Don't know why these two are N_M's top town reads. Just what exactly is he seeing in those two?

I do agree with his scumread on Dwlee though, it's another generally unimpressive ISO that's not putting in much effort to try and solve or garner information.

Now time to take a nap. Some of the pain meds I'm on are knocking me out hard, and making it a bit hard to stay awake.

Do you honestly feel NM’s reads are real? He’s got himself as his scummiest read.DWlee’s iso is always garbage. It’s their playstyle.
And Adante is a “she”.

Excuse me

You read me..

[MagikHorse]

Do you honestly feel NM’s reads are real? He’s got himself as his scummiest read.DWlee’s iso is always garbage. It’s their playstyle.
And Adante is a “she”.

Not_Mafia is a shitposter type. Putting themselves as the scummiest isn't that unusual as far as I know.

And sorry Andante, I blame drowsiness.

[Toogeloo]

I hate to remind everyone, but half the player list is shit posters and/or trolls.

[Nero Cain]

You sure that's a healthy amount of iocane powder to ingest?

I'm immune

toog stop mislabeling me as a shitposter. TY

[Nero Cain]

I'm getting town feels from most on this wagon,CSF the least but I dont hate this right now..

Why is CSF the least, just the naked vote from earlier?

[Scorpious]

I'm getting town feels from most on this wagon,CSF the least but I dont hate this right now..

Why is CSF the least, just the naked vote from earlier?

Pretty much.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yeah that's my bad I should've added a funny joke to my post.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm tunneled on Fire and when CSF said she liked Fire's empty posting and fussing about AD it made the klaxons in my head blare. I don't think his Toog stuff was all that great.

Yeah I dunno why you're tunneled on Firebringer.

I disagree that his posting was "empty"... the observations he made exhibited some close reading, not to mention I think Toog is kinda scummy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Official Vote Count

Frogsterking

(6): hellbooks, Save The Dragons, Tejate Raichu, Cat Scratch Fever, Nero Cain, Dwlee99

Galron

(3): MagikHorse, Andante, Toogeloo

The Keeper

(2): The Keeper, Firebringer

MagikHorse

(1): Frogsterking

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

Radical Rat

(1): momo

Tejate Raichu

(1): Galron

Nero Cain

(1): Radical Rat

Not Voting

(2): Scorpious, Frozen Angel

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to eliminate

Deadline

: (expired on 2022-03-03 20:00:00)

Frozen Angel has been prodded

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler: Readslist

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This readslist is so different from mine lol

[Nero Cain]

Whats ur readlist?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Town

Tejate, StD, MagikHorse
Andante, The Keepr
Dwlee, Firebringer
--- everyone I haven't bothered to mention can go in this general null tier ---
Galron, Toog, Frogster

Scum

[Nero Cain]

I'm tunneled on Fire and when CSF said she liked Fire's empty posting and fussing about AD it made the klaxons in my head blare. I don't think his Toog stuff was all that great.

Yeah I dunno why you're tunneled on Firebringer.

I disagree that his posting was "empty"... the observations he made exhibited some close reading, not to mention I think Toog is kinda scummy.

607 fusses about AD but doesn't put in the work
608 useless post. Also, it was p clear keeper is calling me town or at least leaning there and maybe calling Fire scummy
609 wants a hard stance from toog
611 laments that only RR is agreeing with him
615 I feel like Toog was saying that we can judge Frogs in-game content without speculating that he's scum that's intentionally ignoring this game. If you want to argue that he's scum that's defending Frog then fine. I don't think Toogs comment that he doesn't have a stance on Frog b/c he's unmemorable is mutually inclusive. You can again argue that Toog not scumreading Frog while being "unmemorable" is off but I don't think "hey this guy is unmemorable but also we can judge him on his content ITT." is a contradiction or the "gotcha" moment Fire thinks it is.
618 fusses about AD more but still no specifics
620 is a fluff post and 621 is empty

So I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree but I don't think Fire's posting was anything outstanding and much more more null than +town with 609 being the best post but still nothing great. I am not sure why you felt the need to go out of your way to praise Fire's posting here and it looked a lil' suspicious to me.

[Andante]

Sheeping STD

VOTE: Frogsterking

Why are you sheeping a naked vote?

keeper, what do you think of tejate

I need to borrow Bob's Brain for this one, I am inclined to think they're aiming for The Dark room instead of The Cathedral for now, though.

scumlean.

What makes Tejate a scumlean for you?

Using a gimmick doesn't make them town? In fact, the amount of times Keeper has gone "yall don't like my gimmick" has been way too many already to be town I think

I don't think I ever argued that keeper being a gimmick alt makes them town. OFC, if Fire is scum then that does make them unlikely to be scum, I think.

yeah sorry i have no idea what I was saying there, like, rereading it I have no clue where my thoughts were, cause yes I agree with "overusing gimmick is a scumtell"

andante what do you think about galron and in particular raichu "locktowning" galron for doing his scum roleplay bit

uhhh I haven't seen anything that looks like a locktown read from anyone, and I'd be surprised if anyone actually had Galron as lock town right now

Tejate wagon obv not going, and I'm not as sure about him as I was. Voting Frozen Angel was a decent thought when I was falling asleep, but not feeling it now. UNVOTE: Voting Keepter as a PL, meh. I could go either way I guess. I don't like 340 and would like to see a better answer there.

I dunno. Tejate still seems scummy to me.

i actively disliked every sentence here

Yeah same, that post and the one like 3 after are like Galron's only "serious" posts, and they feel like "oh crap I haven't done anything towny all game, must try now" but this "trying" is just "here's a bunch of words. k bye!" So I definitely agree with you (hellbooks) here.

This game is weird, it has like zero flow

You sure we're reading the same game? I've definitely seen progression happening, and there's multiple 1v1's going on, so does zero flow mean... not reading?

havent played in a hot min so i dont have the cutting edge data on this... but statements complaining about game state always move the needle slightly scumward for me

ooh not liking the exact same thing as me!!! I think that's a good look!! Like that post from frogster is just so bad... "I have most of it done, it just has to be perfect" that literally sounds like me as maf going "yeah I'll have reads sometime, not yet though!" in hopes people forget and move on

I was thinking about hopping over to galron but if people wanna vote frog then im just gonna put it in park

So if you have passion for a Tejate lim.. why have I seen 0 conviction for it in your lines? instead you're all "haha I'm maf" like, do you wonder why no one is listening to you? cause I think it's very obvious... go ISO yourself, and look at what we're dealing with

omg?

hahaha I love this entire post!!! Yeah, constant gamestate complaints tend to come from scum in my experience, and backed up by minimal reads/effort into reads... most likely scum indicative.
So I do know a lot of people are picking frog over Galron, what.. we want to pick the one just not posting here? People do get busy IRL... "posting elsewhere though!?!?" so? I kinda don't really care, just have to give people a chance. and comparing Galron's ISO to Frog's, Galron is worse by a mile

[Andante]

Sheeping STD

VOTE: Frogsterking

curious about this

I like std’s playstyle, reads are usually strong and I have no real strong reads right now, I’m leaning town on Tej

I have a major issue with this, you're sheeping a naked vote cause you "like dragon's playstyle" and is there any chance you TR Tejate now cause I unvoted them and said I don't sr them? like, you have no reasonings for anything, and only give them when asked... What's making you lean town on Tejate? like, my major issue with your frog vote is the fact you're sheeping a naked vote, so what happens if frogs flips town? you just shrug? go "meh wasn't towny" at the end of the day, you should be voting someone you strongly believe flips scum, sheep someone if you want, but you better have a dang good reason why you're voting who you are, and it better not be copying someone else's

ok fine
i dont have problems with that actually

No problems with the above post? you sure? or is this the move where you go "I don't want conflict so I'm not pushing further"

First of all, I have to agree that Galron's 544 looks kind of terrible. What is exactly giving the impression that my wagon isn't going? I have seen no such thing at the time of 544 being made, and dropping my wagon for today while also saying "but they still look scummy!" isn't especially unusual on its own but given that I'm supposedly a strong scumread for them it looks... weird. Andante's recent posts are interesting, and I'll do some reconsidering of the slot.

VOTE: frogster king

I'm gonna put my vote here because they have yet to give us any actual thoughts on Magik+Tejate scumteam which is making me feel like they just wanted to inject some paranoia and then used "perfectionism" as an excuse to not actually post any info and hoping everyone just forgot they said that.

I have a major issue with this (largely cause of how big this frog wagon got off the basis he's just not posting) Why are you saying you're sus of Galron then voting frog? like, You'd rather vote out someone with no content than someone you SR? It doesn't seem right to me

He was going "Magik is pushing us up to an informed state out of an uninformed state really hard early", not so much just "Magik's posting a lot" (which I think seems to be more Scorpius' schtick). There's more to Tejate's "pass" than just postcount, which is generally why it doesn't bother me. If it was solely off of activity alone I'd be more concerned, activity is a really easy thing to fake, but we're not in that world. Given the reason of "pushing the game into a more informed state really quickly from the start", yes, I am fine with holding off on that person for a little while at the least. Yes, this would apply even if the person they said it about wasn't me, though I'd question it if I didn't feel the reason applied or if I had other concerns about the person to dig in deeper.

And you're sure I'm not just misreading you either regarding the second line? It certainly looked like more like you were pushing him as scummy over it to me in the heat of the moment, though I'll take a look back at that later to see if I still see that in there.

I don't get why you're complaining about me defending myself either, not when you're asking me to defend myself. You asked, I answered to the best of my abilities. I'm starting to think you're probably town, but man are you reading a lot more into things than I'm putting in and missing quite a bit else.

Ah yes, cause we got to an informed state so fast... and now after pushing us to an informed state, Tejate is suspicious of Galron, yet is voting Frog for having no content... Like, I still half believe there's something with the 2 of yall, not strong enough to push it here, and I feel like both of yall would rather yell at me than actually consider what I'm thinking, cause I think you're TRing Tejate way too much for that, and Tejate has his own stuff I don't like, but yall aren't both maf so ehh
> It certainly looked like more like you were pushing him as scummy over it to me in the heat of the moment, though I'll take a look back at that later to see if I still see that in there.
I was literally giving my thoughts on the situation. painting it out as clear as I can what my exact thought process is. I'm not gonna keep arguin over this "omg you SRing for 2day pass is scummy!!" there's better stuff to deal with now. I'm honestly shocked no one else is on the same page as me with a 2day pass less than 24 hours into a game being scummy.. I'm not complaining about you defending yourself? I'm complaining (to myself) about giant paragraphs like this that effectively just say "I'll go look back and see" while yelling the exact same other point at me...

[Andante]

I'm thinking Galron + Frogster at this point for the two most likely scum. I did check, Frogster is indeed posting in another game at the moment.

If Frogster doesn't case me the moment he gets back it's basically a scumclaim. If 367 is the entirety of his case and that's it, pure paranoia over me being "a good scum player", even more of a scumclaim.

I highly doubt both frogster and galron are maf, like for example, I think something is off with hellbooks/Scorp, Magik/Tejate and some more, it's like, dynamics that aren't adding up for both people to be town, but they're def not partners

Toog I'm really thinking you're scum this game

Spoiler:

Just saying... Toog is looking better than you are here... pretty confident this is not town you

Regardless of the veracity of the tell, frogster really has not given me the impression of being town at all. Why even bring up Magik if the case wasn't ready? Why draw an associative to me? Why vote for Magik if the scumread on me isn't an associative? Furthermore, Frogster said the case on Magik was "mostly done", so why not give us a crumb of information as to why they actually think Magik is scum?

Honestly, this is the first time I'm even seeing a case made for Frogster maf other than "posting elsewhere" so @OtherFrogVoters .... I wants some legit reasonings from yall

i don't like how andante has phrased multiple of my posts.

meh sorry fam, you're not giving me a whole lot to work with

I would like to hold judgement until actually seeing this supposed "case" though, if indeed it exists.

Good post!

VOTE: frogster king

like, all these votes are just naked votes, I don't get them