Mini Theme 2264: Fusion Upick | Post Game

[Flea The Magician]

I a still recovering from weekend.

Enchant, did you believe was that red or did you just lolhammer?

If you're recovering, then I apologise. Can you re-read the game and give us some spicy thoughts now that you're healthy?

Sorry didn't realise my health was on your command. My bad oh mighty master.

And no, I can't, because I don't reread games. I barely the the attention span for catch-ups.

Demand shit from me, talk down to me, and you will get fucking rekt. Am I clear?

[Flea The Magician]

Galron

I know

Galron

's scum game from Open 838. In that game he went for pocketing me and Scorpious, while refusing to commit to a serious vote for a long time, instead sticking to his RVS vote. His reads were rather waffly on purpose, he attempted to present a gamesolving attitude, but his actions were not aimed at making an impact on the game in any way.

I feel like his tone in this game is different. His gamesolving attitude can be seen by inquiring into the fusions, which are confusing to all, but thing is - scums have no reason to do that, especially in Day 1. Like, 136 would have to be manufactured if

Galron

were scum and I don't think it was. Town has more reasons to understand the game setup well and to use the game thread for it than scum, I feel.

The rest is pretty much null. The

Ircher

push is null, because I think he's like that in every game and gets scumread for it. But that doesn't mean it cannot be a valid reason for

Ircher

to be scumread. This can come from both a town or scum point of view.

Or

Galron

really upped his scumgame and I'm not seeing it.

Flea the Magician

This... is null.

I've looked through Days 1 of

Flea the Magician

's latest scumgame which was Mini Theme 2259 and one of fae's latest town games I found was Mini Theme 2263. She seems to be more waffly in MT 2259, posting a lot of meaningless posts, and same, but including some game moving content in MT 2263.

While looking at her ISO I found this in her very first post:

Those familiar with me can expect less of my usual crap.

Indeed, fae seems less vibrant and lively, but both from fae's town and scum games. I don't see that much a game solving attitude as I do with

Galron

though. It's more of dropping questions and answers to make it seem like fae is doing something without really committing to anything.

Let's do some pressing.

VOTE: Flea the Magician, what's good?

Almost like I'm on a manic downer after recent bullshit in life and on site...

[Flea The Magician]

Now I'm in a shit mood because I don't appreciate being talked down so i will be back later. Nordom remains a person of interest of mine from D1, Enchants response is more than I expected.

Ircher I'm being pulled both ways on so will review at some point.

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: Greeting

I support Nathann case. I also didn't like Greeting trying to wash their hands of the Elim by stating they would have unvoted if here after claim. That rubbed me the wrong way.

[Radical Rat]

Yeah, I went with the wagon, but because I agreed with the arguments presented. Sadly, I wasn't around past Roden's claim which would have made me withdraw.

Why would you have withdrawn? What did the claim change about the arguments you say you agreed with?

[Enchant]

Claim actually worked opposite for me.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Greeting's conclusion from their wagon analysis just seems backwards.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I feel like if they think there's most likely 1 scum off wagon, it'd actually be better to lim on wagon. And I fundamentally disagree with the logic that x scum must be on/off wagon in any given game. Having said that, I don't hate their vote and reads in the rest of their post.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'll vote Ircher once I see a VC

[Ircher]

Greeting is town.

[Greeting]

He's making general claims about how scum would usually position themselves around an EoD wagon, but it's not actually being

applied

to this game. He's focusing on the people off-wagon because that pool is

smaller

, not because something about the game made him think it's more likely scum was off-wagon. And this is kind of especially concerning to me when the wagon that resulted in the misyeet was so icky.

What makes you think that general observations of mafia somehow don't apply to this game?

Also, his Galron read is making me question whether we're reading the same game. In what universe is Galron questioning how fusions work actually solving or influencing the game? Why would scum have no reason to question fusions? Where is he showing an impact on this game? Like, to me he doesn't read very different from that Open, so the final verdict of "he's town or upped his scumgame" is not something I'm seeing. Feels kind of like a TMI read.

The Flea read is whatever, the only part that amuses me though is once again implying that Galron has like,

done something

this game.

I guess opinions differ. I read very carefully both ISOs and to me

Galron

does seem different. Like I said, either he's town or he's upped his scumgame.

And because nobody wants to play the guessing game with me - Greeting was the only one to comment on the nightkill and what it could mean. I find that's usually something that comes from scum, since they're the ones that had just spent the night planning the nightkill after all.

¿¿¿¿¿?????

I have commented on night kills before frequently and I'm yet to roll scum on MafiaScum.

The night kill choices are relevant and important as they often reveal who was the biggest threat to town. In this case, the scums in my opinion clearly did not want to reveal information by killing

Andante

. Why do you think that me wanting to figure out the purpose of the nightkill makes me scum?

[Greeting]

Almost like I'm on a manic downer after recent bullshit in life and on site...

I'm sorry to hear that. Who do you think should be the major suspect right now?

[Greeting]

VOTE: Greeting

I support Nathann case. I also didn't like Greeting trying to wash their hands of the Elim by stating they would have unvoted if here after claim. That rubbed me the wrong way.

I didn't wash my hands off the kill. I simply regretted the fact that it happened and that I participated in it.

[Greeting]

Yeah, I went with the wagon, but because I agreed with the arguments presented. Sadly, I wasn't around past Roden's claim which would have made me withdraw.

Why would you have withdrawn? What did the claim change about the arguments you say you agreed with?

Let me just say that I had a very good reason to believe the Vengeful + Gunsmith claim from

Roden

, but I saw it past hammer.

[Ircher]

There's no need to soft so loudly. You could have left that part out.

[Greeting]

There's no need to soft so loudly. You could have left that part out.

Did you mean sort?

[Ircher]

No, your sorting is fine. I'm referring to 463.

[MegAzumarill]

Votecount 2.0.2



Ircher (2) Galron, Radical Rat [E-4]
Radical Rat (2) Nordom, Enchant [E-4]
Greeting (2) Nathann, Toogeloo [E-4]
Enchant (1) Almost50
Almost50 (1) Ircher
Flea the Magician (1) Greeting

Not Voting: (2) Flea the Magician, Cat Scratch Fever

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.
Deadline: (expired on 2022-03-07 17:20:41)

Sorry for delayed VC.

[Toogeloo]

I'm assuming Flea meant Greeting was softing, something like Gunful Townie or whatever, to show they believed the claim.

The issue is, I'm pretty certain there will always be one or two people who can corroborate a partial claim due to fusion of roles, and for most roles in general, they are probably capable of being town or scum, or at least deliverable to sound town even as scum. I'm not going to hunt for it now, but I'm pretty sure I read something to that effect in the setup rules.

[Toogeloo]

I'm a bit paranoid over Enchant's requirement to be voted everyday as well.

@Enchant: Would you clarify, is voting for you good because it enables you, or prevents a negative function? Like, do you get to do something at night because you got voted, or does getting voted prevent you from dying or something similarly drastic?

It feels negative utility at the moment without clarification because you are asking town to basically lose a vote towards our daily elimination.

[Enchant]

I'm a bit paranoid over Enchant's requirement to be voted everyday as well.

@Enchant: Would you clarify, is voting for you good because it enables you, or prevents a negative function? Like, do you get to do something at night because you got voted, or does getting voted prevent you from dying or something similarly drastic?

It feels negative utility at the moment without clarification because you are asking town to basically lose a vote towards our daily elimination.

Will answering that help town?
Because i don't think so.

We need around half of votes to kill, so i don't think it's problem before lategame and at this point i will likely claim and we decide if it's worth it.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: Ircher

[Flea The Magician]

Flea the Magician

This... is null.

I've looked through Days 1 of

Flea the Magician

's latest scumgame which was Mini Theme 2259 and one of fae's latest town games I found was Mini Theme 2263.

Faer

seems to be more waffly in MT 2259, posting a lot of meaningless posts, and same, but including some game moving content in MT 2263.

While looking at

faer

ISO I found this in

faer

very first post:

Those familiar with me can expect less of my usual crap.

Indeed, fae seems less vibrant and lively, but both from fae's town and scum games. I don't see that much a game solving attitude as I do with

Galron

though. It's more of dropping questions and answers to make it seem like fae is doing something without really committing to anything.

Let's do some pressing.

VOTE: Flea the Magician, what's good?

Responding to this a little more...
MT 2259 - Superfight Mafia - A game I was outed as scum in D1 from an awful chainsaw and a game I declared in signups I wasn't going to take seriously as it was a meme game.
A game I absolutely had to fight to win.
A game that drastically reinforces my "high effort is likely scum" meta.

MT 2263 - Web of Lies - A game I caught slipped scum by 6th post due to a PT slip and then I try and mechsolve almost exclusively as that becomes viable due to the slip.


Your case is bad and you should feel bad.

Looking at my wiki page and recent bans will give you an indicator of whats happening that cause me to be lower effort than usual.
VOTE: Greeting
Going over Nordom later, I'm sure one of my posts went unanswered and wilfully. I need food, drink and my meds.

[Toogeloo]

I'm a bit paranoid over Enchant's requirement to be voted everyday as well.

@Enchant: Would you clarify, is voting for you good because it enables you, or prevents a negative function? Like, do you get to do something at night because you got voted, or does getting voted prevent you from dying or something similarly drastic?

It feels negative utility at the moment without clarification because you are asking town to basically lose a vote towards our daily elimination.

Will answering that help town?
Because i don't think so.

We need around half of votes to kill, so i don't think it's problem before lategame and at this point i will likely claim and we decide if it's worth it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Enchant

I don't trust it.

[Enchant]

Vote me.

I don't mind...