Infernal Affairs - Game Over!

[Scorpious]

i mean there's only 4 ppl I'd vote today (STD, Fire, Tej, Ad) but no one can agree though looks like STD wagon might happen so...

I'm with the Fire an AD side, I think Tej is a faction of some sort not mafia,and STD, just no, not scum shouldnt happen

[MagikHorse]

I think 1191 is @me since those two sets are both things I've laid down, and if so he's clearly mistaking what I meant by the latter.

Andante/Galron/Keeper are the ones I'm actively scumreading the most at this time, independently of other factors. Keeper a little less than the other two, but still feels like there's scum here. This is my actual scum readslist, and the closest thing I've got to a solve.

STD/Toog/N_M are the only options from on the Day 1 Frog wagon I think have any significant chance for hitting scum, upon breaking the wagon down and removing my townreads from it. I've said I don't see good odds of scum in it looking over the list, nor do I really believe Fire's claim of 2 scum on the wagon after breaking it down like this.

In short the former is a scumlist, the latter is a wagon breakdown that also sort of becomes a list of low hanging fruit. I think looking off the wagon will yield more results than on this time around.

Pedit: Hell was another player I'm concerned about as well, and if I added a fourth name to my scumlist it would be them. I didn't like Hell's D1, they kinda half supported the Frog push without looking like they were willing to commit to it, and now today they're just sort of coasting with Nero.

[Nero Cain]

I think Tej is a faction of some sort not mafia

there's only mafia though I guess Tej and Magic are sorta their own faction but I still think he has a mafia pm

[MagikHorse]

Oh no, our third party Friendship Faction has been outed! What are we gonna do now?

Probably just chase scum.

[Save The Dragons]

i'm not sure why i'm considered a potential busser while other people are not

[hellbooks]

i also want andante to elaborate on what she thinks about other slots than tejate.

uh what? I'm voting momo and explained why momo is maf. Tejate town, Magik maf.

so magik maf momo maf tejate town, and no one else is memorable

sorry i actually think i remember you saying this and literally forgot it will keep it in mind

I have written this post over the years. Mostly as scum. Reasons to not have any cases or any real accountability on anything.

decent observation and i find it towny

1137 is a diamond in the rough from them, and even that's a bit shaky.

you know what they say about my posting... even a broken clock is right twice a day

sounds good to me
VOTE: Dragons

doubt this is a bus. if it were she has less towncred to gain from it seeing as though its sort of a proxy

[hellbooks]

now today they're just sort of coasting with Nero.

you're not wrong. im getting complacent and demotivated due to the game state, which is intersecting with life kind of blowing up this week. im starting to focus more on solving outside of the people ive been talking about though.

i also want andante to elaborate on what she thinks about other slots than tejate.

uh what? I'm voting momo and explained why momo is maf. Tejate town, Magik maf.

so magik maf momo maf tejate town, and no one else is memorable

okay reading this I think you are overstating how much you elaborated on these reads... i guess if you're disavowing them then it doesnt matter as much and i read that as town sort of getting demotivated with the weird pace of the game. but you sort of created a dichotomy between magik and tej and then deemed tej to be town and so... magik is scum by poe? i find it way more scummy that frog threw out tej as a partner and then basically never elaborated on it or committed to it.

[hellbooks]

Andante/Galron/Keeper are the ones I'm actively scumreading the most at this time

curious: what do you think of this interaction:

I still think frog v galron was maf v maf.... there's no way this is town galron.. all game galron has been "pretending to be maf" or whatever he's doing...

andante says this.

Couple of things, I think Andante scum reads me

then later, galron reminds me that andante scumreads him for.... what reason exactly? idk what to make of it so would like ur input -- how does it fit in your solve?
and then after that, andante doesnt bring up galron again.

IDK, andante reads town to me. i feel like theres environmental storytelling of her sort of thinking about the game and working through a solve. thats genuinely the best way i can explain it, like it seems like something thats hard to fake. but its weird af that galron was like "dont forget, she scumreads me!" like, "im being helpful so can i be town?" idk

[MagikHorse]

i'm not sure why i'm considered a potential busser while other people are not

Is this to anyone specific, or a general thought to the masses?

[MagikHorse]

@Hellbooks: My reads are independent as of now, I've already spoken my distaste of and general lack of ability regarding pre-flip associatives. It's just not a thing I do.

It does look bad that Galron's a bit focused on his appearance regardless of all that anyways. I'll reread Andante tonight and see if I can find this solving side you're seeing. If you think there's something in particular I should look for, please feel free to drop it in the thread and I'll take a good look.

[Galron]

I'm quite aware of your opinions Nero, as much as I disagree with them. All that being said, I'm not really seeing many scum prospects on the wagon myself.

Removing the three dead town from the wagon plus myself (both for being Frog's immediate target and for knowing my own role PM), and then strip away my townreads (Tej/Scorp) and Hell for being the one to start it going and not backing off when it grew large and I'm left with STD/Toog/N_M as I said a couple posts ago. N_M is the eternal wildcard that is never townie nor scummy, my meta dive into STD hasn't yielded much scum prospects through meta and if anything shows this sort of play is fairly normal, and Toog has improved for Day 2 as I mentioned earlier. I'm left with a wagon that looks mostly pure, maybe 1 scum in the quieter part of the pool at best assuming I trust in my reads. I don't have much reason to assume 2 scum there myself.

Looking back at Fire he was saying 2 scum on the wagon because it seemed "orchestrated to end the day quickly" (or something very similar to that), but Scum!Scorp alone could cause that regardless of N_M's role. N_M would hammer regardless of alignment every time there, it's one thing he's known for doing. If N_M is as passive in scumchats as he is in the main game I really doubt it was organized between him and another scum just due to a lack of general communication as well.

If there's anything else that Fire's scumreading Scorp for, please point it out. I've either missed it or he hasn't said it yet.

You have two scum sets here: Andante, Galron, and Keeper and STD, Toogaloo, Not_Mafia. What distinguishes one from the other? Or am I misreading something?

[Galron]

Andante/Galron/Keeper are the ones I'm actively scumreading the most at this time

curious: what do you think of this interaction:

I still think frog v galron was maf v maf.... there's no way this is town galron.. all game galron has been "pretending to be maf" or whatever he's doing...

andante says this.

Couple of things, I think Andante scum reads me

then later, galron reminds me that andante scumreads him for.... what reason exactly? idk what to make of it so would like ur input -- how does it fit in your solve?
and then after that, andante doesnt bring up galron again.

IDK, andante reads town to me. i feel like theres environmental storytelling of her sort of thinking about the game and working through a solve. thats genuinely the best way i can explain it, like it seems like something thats hard to fake. but its weird af that galron was like "dont forget, she scumreads me!" like, "im being helpful so can i be town?" idk

jfc

[Scorpious]

Pedit: Hell was another player I'm concerned about as well, and if I added a fourth name to my scumlist it would be them. I didn't like Hell's D1, they kinda half supported the Frog push without looking like they were willing to commit to it, and now today they're just sort of coasting with Nero.

I don't think the Frog push should be too over analyzed. Its a Day 1 wagon with more people on it than some mini games even start with. It's not going out on a limb at all saying there is a scum in there(not saying you did. just saying.

Also whats up with "kinda half supported" what does "kinda half" even mean? Thats the epitome of a fence sitting term.

[MagikHorse]

What is the purpose of 1210 and 1211?

And to Scorp, I forgot just how picky Mafia players were at casual wording. Regardless, take a look at Hell's D1. They were pushing towards the Frog wagon half-heartedly, but didn't at all try to commit to it one way or another.

[The Keeper]

I think 1191 is @me since those two sets are both things I've laid down, and if so he's clearly mistaking what I meant by the latter.

Andante/Galron/Keeper are the ones I'm actively scumreading the most at this time, independently of other factors. Keeper a little less than the other two, but still feels like there's scum here. This is my actual scum readslist, and the closest thing I've got to a solve.

STD/Toog/N_M are the only options from on the Day 1 Frog wagon I think have any significant chance for hitting scum, upon breaking the wagon down and removing my townreads from it. I've said I don't see good odds of scum in it looking over the list, nor do I really believe Fire's claim of 2 scum on the wagon after breaking it down like this.

In short the former is a scumlist, the latter is a wagon breakdown that also sort of becomes a list of low hanging fruit. I think looking off the wagon will yield more results than on this time around.

Pedit: Hell was another player I'm concerned about as well, and if I added a fourth name to my scumlist it would be them. I didn't like Hell's D1, they kinda half supported the Frog push without looking like they were willing to commit to it, and now today they're just sort of coasting with Nero.

Even Psyfly doesn't know what to make of this.

That said, you're Actively scumreading me, why?

[hellbooks]

to be clear i dont need you to make any preflip associatives

If you think there's something in particular I should look for, please feel free to drop it in the thread and I'll take a good look.

yeah I'll figure out how to put it into words later ty

[MagikHorse]

@Keeper Your entire day 2 is full of indecisiveness, stating rather obvious gameplay points, and somehow coming out of the Frogster interactions deciding I'm scum from them at the start of the day after worrying about a multiball game?

It feels like busywork so far, though the other two scumreads are worse as I see it.

[hellbooks]

wait actually....

I think that if you thought this:

I didn't like Hell's D1, they kinda half supported the Frog push without looking like they were willing to commit to it

It doesn't make sense that you would say this:

The only reason I'm not scumreading them is that they started the wagon on Frog.

so.... whats up with that?

[Scorpious]

STD is STD..

Playstyle is 100% NIA.

What is AI from them then, if I take this as truth?

I think I missed this and and the answer is, I have no idea. But my first games with him made me think it was. and it isn’t..

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Official Vote Count

Save The Dragons

(4): Firebringer, Nero Cain, hellbooks, Andante

Andante

(1): momo

MagikHorse

(1): The Keeper

Tejate Raichu

(1): Galron

hellbooks

(1): Save The Dragons

Firebringer

(1): Scorpious

Not Voting

(4): Toogeloo, Tejate Raichu, MagikHorse, Not_Mafia

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate

Deadline

: (expired on 2022-03-09 05:00:00)

[Scorpious]

Frogster is present elsewhere but not here.

I'll have to double check on this. If so, it's definitely scum indicative.

Was this sarcasm?

[Scorpious]

This wagon isn't pure, I'm town, and if my reads are wrong and need to be doctored, I will listen after you unvote.

Why should I have to unvote to make you listen to me, or anyone else for that matter? Your push is already an abysmal mess ridden with assumptions, bad faith, contradictions, and claims that you know me when it's obvious that you don't know jack. Now we see this post, which is solely survivalistic, an attempt to alleviate the pressure bearing down on you instead of sorting or solving or working with the rest of the town. I don't think I need to explain how that's +++scum points.

If you're actually town, show it to me and

then

I'll unvote. No sooner, no later. That's the only deal you're going to get from me.

What would have shown you “town” enough to unvote? You already said how bad the wagon was.

[Scorpious]

Andante is kinda just following the scum!Magik wave without any real input into it, just claiming it openly with no reasons. It kinda seems like his reads are following whatever's the most popular, and I looked back at his ISO and saw quite a bit of soft defending as Nero was saying.

Hellbooks has done very little today either but start an STD wagon for some reason. 1137 is a diamond in the rough from them, and even that's a bit shaky. The only reason I'm not scumreading them is that they started the wagon on Frog.

I want to hear some content from STD. I did a quick and dirty dive into a couple games, and even his town games looked kinda like this. There has to be a better way to read this slot.

Toog actually did a little bit for once, and I'm liking most of it. Less so the part that was basically an excuse to be lazy, but most else seems good. Hoping to see more activity in the future.

Galron's day 2 is just... unimpressive. The only good post I'm seeing in it is 1097, and even that's not much. If anyone has a reason to townread this, please share.

Scorp... I'm pretty sure you're town here, and I have a few questions for you. You said back in 1002 that Galron is obvtown, then 1164/1165 happened. Did those change your thoughts any? If you still think he's town, could you explain why to me? I'm really not seeing it.

Momo is a "quality over quantity" type, and what does come out feels like actual solving. 1019 is a real good catch.

I have no clue what Keeper is doing honestly, or why their vote is parked on me right now. Their posts insinuate it's about my vote timing I presume, but on the guy Frog specifically tried to ham up and elim? I need an explanation on that one.

I have nothing at all to say about Not_Mafia that hasn't been said by someone else.

Sorry no snip.. phone..

They were just observations and I was satisfied with the explanation I got . Been in a few games with Galron recently and this feels very vanilla and town.

[Scorpious]

What is the purpose of 1210 and 1211?

And to Scorp, I forgot just how picky Mafia players were at casual wording. Regardless, take a look at Hell's D1. They were pushing towards the Frog wagon half-heartedly, but didn't at all try to commit to it one way or another.

Just getting a second take that’s all. Just trying to sort the most verbose player so far. Answers to the above would be much appreciated.

[Galron]

What is the purpose of 1210 and 1211?

And to Scorp, I forgot just how picky Mafia players were at casual wording. Regardless, take a look at Hell's D1. They were pushing towards the Frog wagon half-heartedly, but didn't at all try to commit to it one way or another.

Just getting a second take that’s all. Just trying to sort the most verbose player so far. Answers to the above would be much appreciated.

Are you asking me to address 1213?