Infernal Affairs - Game Over!

[Scorpious]

What is the purpose of 1210 and 1211?

And to Scorp, I forgot just how picky Mafia players were at casual wording. Regardless, take a look at Hell's D1. They were pushing towards the Frog wagon half-heartedly, but didn't at all try to commit to it one way or another.

Just getting a second take that’s all. Just trying to sort the most verbose player so far. Answers to the above would be much appreciated.

Are you asking me to address 1213?

Not really.

[MagikHorse]

wait actually....

I think that if you thought this:

I didn't like Hell's D1, they kinda half supported the Frog push without looking like they were willing to commit to it

It doesn't make sense that you would say this:

The only reason I'm not scumreading them is that they started the wagon on Frog.

so.... whats up with that?

I distinctly remember ISOing you in both, while the first time I was paying a lot of attention to the actual wagon composition. Feels like I missed the vote the second time, which is totally my bad. I'll own that mistake.

[MagikHorse]

Probably +town that you noticed my goof though. Shows you're actually reading in-depth and trying to figure me out.

[MagikHorse]

Frogster is present elsewhere but not here.

I'll have to double check on this. If so, it's definitely scum indicative.

Was this sarcasm?

It wasn't, but the rules just changed so that mentioning factors like this as a reason for a read wouldn't be allowed anymore so the less said about it the better at this point.

[MagikHorse]

This wagon isn't pure, I'm town, and if my reads are wrong and need to be doctored, I will listen after you unvote.

Why should I have to unvote to make you listen to me, or anyone else for that matter? Your push is already an abysmal mess ridden with assumptions, bad faith, contradictions, and claims that you know me when it's obvious that you don't know jack. Now we see this post, which is solely survivalistic, an attempt to alleviate the pressure bearing down on you instead of sorting or solving or working with the rest of the town. I don't think I need to explain how that's +++scum points.

If you're actually town, show it to me and

then

I'll unvote. No sooner, no later. That's the only deal you're going to get from me.

What would have shown you “town” enough to unvote? You already said how bad the wagon was.

Good people can make bad wagons, but what sealed the nail in his coffin was his refusal to listen or rethink things with new information added to blatant survivalism. That proved to me that his push wasn't there to sort me, but rather to elim me.

Had he started to listen or reconsider things I could have eventually let it go, but he didn't and thus proved his true desires.

[Tejate Raichu]

now today they're just sort of coasting with Nero.

you're not wrong. im getting complacent and demotivated due to the game state, which is intersecting with life kind of blowing up this week. im starting to focus more on solving outside of the people ive been talking about though.

Personally, I'm still a little surprised at how easily everyone seems to be townreading Nero here. I really don't think aggressively pushing a case like this is necessarily townie on its own, and I don't really trust the meta case for it. People adapt, and I would be rather surprised if a player that's been on site for so long didn't.

i also want andante to elaborate on what she thinks about other slots than tejate.

uh what? I'm voting momo and explained why momo is maf. Tejate town, Magik maf.

so magik maf momo maf tejate town, and no one else is memorable

okay reading this I think you are overstating how much you elaborated on these reads... i guess if you're disavowing them then it doesnt matter as much and i read that as town sort of getting demotivated with the weird pace of the game. but you sort of created a dichotomy between magik and tej and then deemed tej to be town and so... magik is scum by poe? i find it way more scummy that frog threw out tej as a partner and then basically never elaborated on it or committed to it.

I agree that Andante's arguments are a bit off-kilter, but I'd like you to consider something for a moment. With the gamestate the way it was, is there any motivation for Frogster providing a "scumcase" against me? If they were town, they probably would have even if they were going down, but for scum there's no point if it looks like you're the wagon for the day. In fact, it may have actually been better not to with scum!Frogs and town!Me, specifically BECAUSE it draws an associative. This is actually contributed to why I didn't ultimately move my vote, a townie would most likely still want to finish their casing of my slot. If anything, I feel like scum!Frogs would have committed to their case of scum!Me even harder when it looks like they're going to flip, instead of doing whatever they were doing in those last couple of hours.

[Scorpious]

Frogster is present elsewhere but not here.

I'll have to double check on this. If so, it's definitely scum indicative.

Was this sarcasm?

It wasn't, but the rules just changed so that mentioning factors like this as a reason for a read wouldn't be allowed anymore so the less said about it the better at this point.

Fair. We’re on the same page..

[Firebringer]

i mean there's only 4 ppl I'd vote today (STD, Fire, Tej, Ad) but no one can agree though looks like STD wagon might happen so...

I'm with the Fire an AD side, I think Tej is a faction of some sort not mafia,and STD, just no, not scum shouldnt happen

this game is singleball brahhh

[Firebringer]

it's not me, it's VOTE: hellbooks

something yesterday killed my desire to play mafia, will try to have something soon.

what killed ur desire to play and why hellbooks

[Firebringer]

I don't know if I'd call it a full blown read, but I def townlean Nero. I don't really have any recollection of his scum meta, but he seems just a tad bit too involved to be scum. And not just in an activity was/directing the convo way (that can be scummy).

It's his willingness to bring up (without being prompted) other people's reads of himself that makes hime feel towny in my eyes.

okay not that i disagree with the conclusion of townread on nero. But him being as "involved" really isn't like something to get a read of him for.

Feeling like the big people to watch out for right now are Andante, Galron, and Keeper. The first two feel like scum in particular, Keeper's just acting strangely combined with generally low input and even less solving.

Fire seems agitated too, though I'm starting to share this uncertainty regarding why he feels like there's 2 scum on the Frog wagon. Why 2 instead of 1 or 0? All 3 I severely doubt, if I believed in that I'd be placing my money on STD/Toog/N_M here, but I would like him to elaborate on why and who are these 2 (at risk of being called out for repeating Nero who I believe asked something similar on top of claiming it as TMI).

because 1 seems unlikely with the people off the wagon. 0 seems even more unlikely next to impossible based on who was off wagon. And so i think 2 or even 3 was most likely. I never said any of these was impossible or unlikely all i said was i think its 2.

[Firebringer]

I mean I do think that it's theoretically possible that frog-magic decide to hard distance from each other

yeah but likely hood is very low to not be worth talking about

[Firebringer]

If there's anything else that Fire's scumreading Scorp for, please point it out. I've either missed it or he hasn't said it yet.

besides his general bad posts? his read on me is like copy and paste of nero. Which was terrible reason to begin with.
Nero being bad makes sense
Scorp just looking to piggyback.

[MagikHorse]

Where was Scorp making bad posts?

And if not involvement, what would you read Nero for?

[momo]

Is there anyone that feels particularly strongly on either hellbooks or Save The Dragons being town?

I don't have particularly strong opinions on either, but see them as where this vote is likely coming down to.

Interested on hearing the "WHYs" behind those reads.

[MagikHorse]

STD isn't giving us much to work with, I still need to rethink Hell at this point in time.

[Toogeloo]

I'm giving hellbooks a town read currently, and would oppose their elimination today.

I'd probably be fine with an STD elim if it came to it, but I don't feel strongly about their alignment in any way.

[MagikHorse]

Took a moment to clear my head and focus on rereading Hell. This reread makes me realize their Day 1 was better than I remembered, and not by just a little. A lot of the questions she was asking drove towards figuring out motivations and emotions in her attempts to discover what everyone was about, and even better she was following back up on the answers later and showing how those answers shaped her thoughts. Add on her own tidbits here and there and ultimately starting the wagon on Frogster, and she doesn't look bad at all. Catching my mistake a few posts back shares the same inquisitive feeling to it as some of their better Day 1 information gathering posts, and I'm already expecting a future follow-up to match the patterns honestly. I'd buy the reasons in 1206 as an explanation for their shakier Day 2, and I hope everything goes well over there and that we can get this back in gear.

It feels like my head got stuck in a rut of "I didn't like some of the really early stuff" that didn't want to shake itself off later, and it painted a lot of things in a worse light than I'm seeing now. I was wrong before, this is likely town.

pedit: Didn't even notice Toog until I finished this. I can't help but agree with that post after my Hell reread.

[Nero Cain]

Nero being bad makes sense

but at least I'm doing something and I sorta kinda helped vote out scum day 1 while you lurked his wagon out.

Why are voting STD while pushing that Scorp and NM are the bussers of Frog?

[Galron]

Is there anyone that feels particularly strongly on either hellbooks or Save The Dragons being town?

I don't have particularly strong opinions on either, but see them as where this vote is likely coming down to.

Interested on hearing the "WHYs" behind those reads.

I'm not particularly hip on either, but I haven't seen a compelling case.

[Scorpious]

Is there anyone that feels particularly strongly on either hellbooks or Save The Dragons being town?

I don't have particularly strong opinions on either, but see them as where this vote is likely coming down to.

Interested on hearing the "WHYs" behind those reads.

I'm not particularly hip on either, but I haven't seen a compelling case.

STD was clear he was losing interest.

[Scorpious]

If there's anything else that Fire's scumreading Scorp for, please point it out. I've either missed it or he hasn't said it yet.

besides his general bad posts? his read on me is like copy and paste of nero. Which was terrible reason to begin with.
Nero being bad makes sense
Scorp just looking to piggyback.

Coming from the person claiming scum..

[Galron]

Is there anyone that feels particularly strongly on either hellbooks or Save The Dragons being town?

I don't have particularly strong opinions on either, but see them as where this vote is likely coming down to.

Interested on hearing the "WHYs" behind those reads.

I'm not particularly hip on either, but I haven't seen a compelling case.

STD was clear he was losing interest.

Why would that be AI though? There have been games where I've lost interest because of various things, hyperposting, unpleasant player(s), real life.

[Scorpious]

Is there anyone that feels particularly strongly on either hellbooks or Save The Dragons being town?

I don't have particularly strong opinions on either, but see them as where this vote is likely coming down to.

Interested on hearing the "WHYs" behind those reads.

I'm not particularly hip on either, but I haven't seen a compelling case.

STD was clear he was losing interest.

Why would that be AI though? There have been games where I've lost interest because of various things, hyperposting, unpleasant player(s), real life.

Hyperposting…. Sigh….

This was actually a mistake by me . I was referring to momo I guess I’m saying that is WAS NOT AI.

Sorry,

[Scorpious]

Is there anyone that feels particularly strongly on either hellbooks or Save The Dragons being town?

I don't have particularly strong opinions on either, but see them as where this vote is likely coming down to.

Interested on hearing the "WHYs" behind those reads.

I'm not particularly hip on either, but I haven't seen a compelling case.

STD was clear he was losing interest.

Why would that be AI though? There have been games where I've lost interest because of various things, hyperposting, unpleasant player(s), real life.

Fwiw I agree with your statement 100

[The Keeper]

@Keeper Your entire day 2 is full of indecisiveness, stating rather obvious gameplay points, and somehow coming out of the Frogster interactions deciding I'm scum from them at the start of the day after worrying about a multiball game?

It feels like busywork so far, though the other two scumreads are worse as I see it.

My entire play is indecisiveness. All I have is Quality 0 in my item room.

Who said I looked at interactions?
Who said I decided you were scum?

I might have to find the Anima Sola... wonder where Jacob is.