Mini 2260: Achromatic Calamity || Game Over

[SirCakez]

VOTE: isis
Cat

[SirCakez]

mad hatters last post making me feel like I had a stroke

[SirCakez]

The first part is true. I think more posts are AI than people want to believe but it's not literally all of them are AI.

Forcing stuff can make for really good interactions. It's just impossible to generate "bad information" in mafia if the interpreter can make the interpretations and is cautious with signal to noise. Like the law of entropy (the law of entropy backwards?) or something

we don't have to agree on this to win this mafia game obv

Why get in an argument over such a minor difference?

[SirCakez]

I agree more posting is good for town, although one big part of it is not wasting time talking about parts that are less relevant.
I'm not entirely sure Mad Hatter's talk so far is genuine, but I'm not discounting the possibility.
Don't find it likely scum would draw that attention to themselves early, but it's possible.

Conclusion: I think I should keep an eye on the Hatter

VOTE: Edens flame
This post is basically a bunch of words that means nothing

[SirCakez]

I also found it salient that Edensflame's post was super hedgy but it's almost so excessively hedgey it doesn't count as being scummy the way hedging generally is? And I don't directly see scum benefit.

Ironic that your post about someone else hedging is hedgy in itself

[SirCakez]

SirCakes where did you go and why haven't you yelled at me for being an evil bear yet ? ~.~

When I notice one of your posts I will!

[SirCakez]

I agree more posting is good for town, although one big part of it is not wasting time talking about parts that are less relevant.
I'm not entirely sure Mad Hatter's talk so far is genuine, but I'm not discounting the possibility.
Don't find it likely scum would draw that attention to themselves early, but it's possible.

Conclusion: I think I should keep an eye on the Hatter

VOTE: Edens flame
This post is basically a bunch of words that means nothing

it is like, unless i was focused on a partner of edensflame's (so somewhere in {ahri, mad hatters tea party, greeting(?)}) then i think edensflame more or less telling me to try not to get distracted/focus on relevant things/not waste time is probably +town

right outside of the partner being focused on that seems kinda unlikely to come from mafia to me? does that make sense

I don't that that's what Eden was saying though?

[SirCakez]

I believe it is time to rebuke the VOTE: Radical Rat and realign my retinae to recognise and resolve the predicament the position presents.

I was also thinking about this vote
It kinda feels like he's just trying to stay present without actually presenting any new ideas or scumhunting

[SirCakez]

I'm wearing the outfit today catch-up later

Yessss isis rock it

[SirCakez]

That second vote on Eden's Flame was cringe. I think it was Cakez, but not sure. It seems almost too blatant a jump when the substance of Eden's post was sufficiently cautious for that stage in the game.

I obv disagree but I like Galron posting on this page for town

[SirCakez]

hmmm

i guess to me, it was like,

i say that posting is good for town, then edensflame says

posting good for town IF focused on relevant things

which like, i very often get distracted and have a very difficult time telling the relevant and not relevant things apart,

so it seemed very possible to me that edensflame thought that was what was happening here and was saying to me

yes posting good BUT try to rein it in a bit

which seemed to me more likely to come from town or from mafia specifically partnered with someone i was focused on

because why would edensflame want to refocus me if mafia in any other situation

I don't see how Edens flame post was aimed at you though?

[SirCakez]

Why is that?

feels kinda like you have time traveler perspective - like with rvs vote and no posts are ai comment and the like, observational posts

like ya know how if you live in a place where the winter is very cold and then there is a warm day in early spring it feels very very warm like the nicest day ever but if it were the middle of summer that day would be considered cold

it feels like you have time traveled to the warm day and called it cold

I cannot make out anything that gives clues as to players' alignments from the first 114 posts. I'm not going to create post content out of nothing. Sure, that involves me taking a backseat and waiting for stuff to unfold, but I didn't have any better idea than that. There's not much more to it, and I don't want prods so there's that.

and for ahri it is like,

ahri made rvs post, then mad hatters tea party and i talked about it A LOT, and then ahri disappeared?

which could completely be not game related but if it is game related then i think mafia are more likely to have head underwater feeling in that situation

Ahri

has posted almost nothing.

Here's her only post. Judging by the content, it's very much an RVS post.

VOTE: AidansFlame

flame = red

red = color

color = mafia

Why would there be a bigger chance for her being mafia than literally anyone else?

I like these posts

[SirCakez]

I agree more posting is good for town, although one big part of it is not wasting time talking about parts that are less relevant.
I'm not entirely sure Mad Hatter's talk so far is genuine, but I'm not discounting the possibility.
Don't find it likely scum would draw that attention to themselves early, but it's possible.

Conclusion: I think I should keep an eye on the Hatter

VOTE: Edens flame
This post is basically a bunch of words that means nothing

idt edens post makes sense but idt it's inherently scummy other than the fact that he's fencesitting which isn't what's being criticized

VOTE: SirCakez

feels forced imo idc what edens role is

ok

[SirCakez]

I still think Eden is scummy

[SirCakez]

Ok let's just clear it up
Eden who was that post aimed at?

[SirCakez]

What is the case on Radical Rat?

Wait I missed this
Why does there need to be a case on page 7?? Wtf??

[SirCakez]

Low-key feeling the vibe to PL Dwlee for being useless

[SirCakez]

We have players like SirCakez who's picking random stuff commenting on it and moving on. No follow-up, no nothing.

Ok but just because I didn't "follow up" doesn't mean it's not developing my reads
People always ding me for this and it's so annoying

[SirCakez]

What is the case on Radical Rat?

Wait I missed this
Why does there need to be a case on page 7?? Wtf??

And speaking of follow up, you dodged this

[SirCakez]

VOTE: dwlee for doing nothing

Is this because you actually think Dwlee's behavior is scummy or just annoyance?

[SirCakez]

I want to freshen up my vote VOTE: greeting

[SirCakez]

I obv disagree but I like Cakez posting for affirming my style choices.
Is there a certain reason you lean towards wrongtown over wrongscum here?

BC Galron was putting himself out there unlike most of this game so far

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Galron

I'll be honest I don't have a read on Galron but I want to put my name next to Isis because she has great taste in clothing therefore she must be making great choices and yes I know this doesn't make any sense but I want to see my name next to hers at least once ~.~

I don't think she can roll red against me twice in a row so I'm going to take my chances.

Yes I know that's not how probability works.

I also don't really care >_>

I think this is pooky town I have a good vibe here

[SirCakez]

I think I will VOTE: Dwlee99.

This is also a crappy vote and it just makes me want to move back to Eden
I think we can do way better for a day 1 elim than Dwlee

[SirCakez]

I agree more posting is good for town, although one big part of it is not wasting time talking about parts that are less relevant.
I'm not entirely sure Mad Hatter's talk so far is genuine, but I'm not discounting the possibility.
Don't find it likely scum would draw that attention to themselves early, but it's possible.

Conclusion: I think I should keep an eye on the Hatter

VOTE: Edens flame
This post is basically a bunch of words that means nothing

it is like, unless i was focused on a partner of edensflame's (so somewhere in {ahri, mad hatters tea party, greeting(?)}) then i think edensflame more or less telling me to try not to get distracted/focus on relevant things/not waste time is probably +town

right outside of the partner being focused on that seems kinda unlikely to come from mafia to me? does that make sense

I don't that that's what Eden was saying though?

But you voted Eden for saying something though.

I voted for Eden for "posting" but not actually saying anything of meaning in this post which anahit then went on a long tangent about it being aimed at them only for it to be confirmed it wasn't

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Sircakez
This will probably result in a countervote from him but I want to get more cakey posting to look at and then go from there

Nah i have no interest in pushing you rn

[SirCakez]

We have players like SirCakez who's picking random stuff commenting on it and moving on. No follow-up, no nothing.

Ok but just because I didn't "follow up" doesn't mean it's not developing my reads
People always ding me for this and it's so annoying

Because of this

What is the case on Radical Rat?

Wait I missed this
Why does there need to be a case on page 7?? Wtf??

And speaking of follow up, you dodged this

And this

[SirCakez]

So it’s OMGUS. Except I never even scumcased you for this, just merely commented on the behavior. As for your complaint for people pinging you for this, my guess is that the logical solution would be to not do it or stop letting it bother you.

This game has not changed my opinion of Day 1 reads. Meh.

Your posts are disingenuous and illogical
How is that OMGUS? You didn't even vote me

[SirCakez]

I think I will VOTE: Dwlee99.

This is also a crappy vote and it just makes me want to move back to Eden
I think we can do way better for a day 1 elim than Dwlee

I mean who did you have in mind, not seeing anything better especially after Dwlee's last post

Probably Greeting or you LOL
Or radical rat

[SirCakez]

Maybe Vanderscamp

[SirCakez]

So it’s OMGUS. Except I never even scumcased you for this, just merely commented on the behavior. As for your complaint for people pinging you for this, my guess is that the logical solution would be to not do it or stop letting it bother you.

This game has not changed my opinion of Day 1 reads. Meh.

Your posts are disingenuous and illogical
How is that OMGUS? You didn't even vote me

What I meant was - you're voting me just because you think I snubbed you. And the truth is, I don't believe I did.

Then what did you do? You're talking nonsense

[SirCakez]

Low-key feeling the vibe to PL Dwlee for being useless

VOTE: dwlee for doing nothing

Is this because you actually think Dwlee's behavior is scummy or just annoyance?

I think I will VOTE: Dwlee99.

This is also a crappy vote and it just makes me want to move back to Eden
I think we can do way better for a day 1 elim than Dwlee

VOTE: Sircakez
This will probably result in a countervote from him but I want to get more cakey posting to look at and then go from there

Nah i have no interest in pushing you rn

what happened here tho

The first post was mostly me poking fun at Dwlee as I've known them forever note that I said PL
I haven't actually thought they were scum today

[SirCakez]

welcome!
Not a fan of a Greeting lim

How does Eden constantly make such scummy posts??

[SirCakez]

I want to get some Toog posting before limming there I feel like I can read him with enough posts

[SirCakez]

I think ana, mad hatter and Pooky are my strongest townreads

[SirCakez]

I'll be here in a couple hours definitely before deadline

[SirCakez]

I am not sure if my vote is still valid after

Radical Rat

's replacement so in case it isn't then VOTE: Toogeloo.

Unfortunately, I won't be able to read the thread thoroughly as I wanted to. I still do wish to play though. If, somehow, I make it to Day 2, I will contribute more. If not then oh well, farewell. Haven't been gotten my head around this game anyway.

this just feels like such a weak sauce vote
I mean I'm confbiased here I know but c'mon the Toog wagon is ass

[SirCakez]

If I do get miselimmed, I would advise to look for scum in my wagon. There’s surprisingly little opposition to it, the majority seems to be either supportive or indifferent to it.

also this is kinda bs bc everyone who voted has reasoning it wasn't just a mindless sheep-on

[SirCakez]

I want to get some Toog posting before limming there I feel like I can read him with enough posts

Im already pretty close to my posting quota for a day 1, even with the replace, but I'll try to town tell just for you .

and I like this Toog post

[SirCakez]

dwlee, are you around?

I can be kinda

Been very busy today. Went sledding

Super jealous. Why did I ever quit?

You were wanting more content from Cakez and I was wondering if you have gotten anything yet?

Cakez response to me is kinda NAI and I'm not sure if Cakez is low-key buddying me or actually thinks I'll be more readable later

given recent games I feel I can definitely read you better than I used to

VOTE: toogeloo

re: "greeting as a counterwagon to defend toogeloo" (wait i think im re-ing myself). my initial reaction looking more carefully was "lol no"; rat's wagon at the time of the cakez vote was just me/isis/party, not exactly serious pressure. but looking more carefully still, with deadline looming and a slow-moving game, i could potentially see maf worried that toogeloo was becoming a deadline elimination. cakez' unexplained vote makes a ton of sense in this latter context, i was on the rat wagon and had earlier made it pretty clear that i was interested in voting greeting with someone; in this world, cakez wasnt necessarily hoping for the flash wagon, he just wanted to deadlock them. cakez also more explicitly defends toogeloo (well, says he doesnt want them eliminated; which, eh, same thing in my books) later, so i do think cakez looks pretty suspicious if toogeloo flips maf.

isis and the tea party, eh, i think theyre town. i think if ahri's serious about "isis is maf for defending toogeloo", she should wait for a toogeloo flip to make that call.

well ya I know I look bad here if Toog is scum
that's what happens when you defend people!
taking a risk

[SirCakez]

the fact we are an hour from deadline with no hour makes me think we've got a scum wagon here somewhere

[SirCakez]

man I think we are going to no-lim :/
biggest wagon is four and we need 7 before deadline

VOTE: toogeloo so we can maybe crank out the wagon here, we need two more
I don't think Greeting is happening :/

[SirCakez]

hopefully Toog flip can give us some info to work with cuz I'm not super satisfied with how this has gone

[SirCakez]

we can’t no lim though? does no one read mod posts

>.>

it's been a long two weeks

[SirCakez]

VOTE: greeting

[SirCakez]

VOTE: eden'sflame
gonna start here for now but my reads are clearly off somewhere

[SirCakez]

it was just my most prominent scumread left from yesterday I probably will be moving soon enough but I'm waiting for people to come in

[SirCakez]

No not related at all

[SirCakez]

Mad Hatters Tea Party, Isis, Toogeloo, mc esther, SirCakez, Dwlee99, anahit

Scum somewhere in Isis, Toog, mc, Dwlee, ana

[SirCakez]

Gosh maybe my Dwlee defense was all wrong
They look the worst of that group

[SirCakez]

It's just pure wagonomics I haven't looked at the votes as they happened yet

[SirCakez]

Nope not falling for the Pookit again
Never again

[SirCakez]

I'll throw in that I'm not exactly upset that MadHatters was the night kill because that saves me from trying to decipher their posts. It seems that mafia would have wanted them to live if nothing else but for that reason alone.

lmaooo I was thinking the same thing

[SirCakez]

I think I was just wrong about this

VOTE: toog

[SirCakez]

I gotta the spice...

VOTE: Pooky

this post feels really weird

[SirCakez]

Hot take
VOTE: Ahri
This is scum

this take is definitely hot and intriguing
can you explain why?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Ahri

First decent scumread of the game is nice
Would've liked to have it day 1 though

this feels really out of nowhere

[SirCakez]

Also, my town read on Cakez managed to erode in less than page. Worth a check too.

Why?

[SirCakez]

I think Anahit's reaction though basically town spews them though.

I agree regardless of Toog alignment

[SirCakez]

Why are people even wagoning toog?

This is such a bad post

[SirCakez]

I suspect Cakez was fishing me earlier irt my first post on Day 2, and then flipped their read on me as a scum read. My suspicion is they wanted me to play my hand, if I had one.

I think Pooky is laying low as well and didn't know if I actually had info or not.

You being scum makes the day 1 wagons make sense

[SirCakez]

It seems like Toog doesn't even give a shit which probably makes him scum too

[SirCakez]

My Dwlee read is dying if Toog is scum here

[SirCakez]

I'm so lost this game goddamn

[SirCakez]

I don't know my reads are awful this game
Is Pooky openwolfing?

[SirCakez]

ig Agri could be scum

[SirCakez]

I don't know my reads are awful this game
Is Pooky openwolfing?

This seems like a fake take.

what part does? my reads have clearly been bad like that's just a fact

[SirCakez]

oh hammer happened
if this flips town Pooky tomorrow because he is genuinely openwolfing if he quickhammered two town wagons in a row that's his scum meta

[SirCakez]

Die potato

[SirCakez]

That hit on Ahri is making me reconsider vanderscamp

[SirCakez]

What is this guilty?

[SirCakez]

yeah and I'm 99% sure it's you or Vanderscamp

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Isis

Want this vote regardless i think

don't think scum buddy posts this

[SirCakez]

Why do you think that Vanderscamp would bus Isis?

i don't know but I TR everyone else more

Vanderscamp just basically kind of dropped off the face of the earth - there's some bad takes in here such as 579 soft defending Ahri that he never really follows up - he's basically feeling like frozen scum during d3/d4 and I think his popin vote on Isis is most likely the bus vote if there is one as she's more or less doomed with me/dwlee both signalling we want her eliminated and edensflame effectively putting her at e-1 . the mandatory comment felt kind of awkward and weird.

I agree with Pooky's take here - they just feel like dispirited when they should be amped up with a double scum elim

The thing about Cake town is that he's just mislim bait in every freaking game because he doesn't ever take the time to play properly and I kind of think he'd give more of a shit about this game if he were like actually scum and possibly able to avenge his loss to me in Pokemon here. Like this clueless deer in the headlights bullshit I just see way more often from Cake!town.

okay in my defense I'm way too busy IRL for mafia right now and I kinda just want this game to be over because I can't give it what it deserves

[SirCakez]

VOTE: vanderscamp for above reasons

[SirCakez]

this ain't Pooky scum and I haven't thought so all game

[SirCakez]

I'm not sold on it being Cakez!

I think there's a decent chance it's Galron and I'm not willing to die on this hill.

But unless we're able to come up with a read on Cakez that he's playing out of his scum meta I don't think this is a slot we can leave alive for two lynches.

remember not to use the L-word!

[SirCakez]

my time for this game is not suddenly going to increase my next two weeks are insane

[SirCakez]

should get a claim though

[SirCakez]

ah so we're here again Pooky

[SirCakez]

Galron randomly neighborized me here can we hear more about that

[SirCakez]

I had a nightmare about this game last night where Pooky got me again
Nope nope nope

[SirCakez]

Okay I guess I need to read this. I just know that for the first few days I thought Pooky was scummy, and then I realized he was on both scum wagons I think and he did the tryhard stuff yesterday. But I'd like to win one of these for once so I'm going to read it.

doesn't mean anything he'd play this game like this as scum
can you answer why you neighborized me?

[SirCakez]

cakes describe your nightmare for me

i just overthought things and was like "there's no way Pooky snowed me twice in a row" and voted Galron and then it was you and I think I like rage-left the site or something lol

Okay I guess I need to read this. I just know that for the first few days I thought Pooky was scummy, and then I realized he was on both scum wagons I think and he did the tryhard stuff yesterday. But I'd like to win one of these for once so I'm going to read it.

doesn't mean anything he'd play this game like this as scum
can you answer why you neighborized me?

are you trying to convince galron that I am mafia?

im just saying his reasoning for you town is not the best

also um if galron neighborized you, why didnt you ask him in the hood why?

i did he didn't respond

[SirCakez]

man Galron's role just seems like town here to me

[SirCakez]

Galron what is the name of your role? if you can share that

[SirCakez]

If you're town, we're screwed. If you're scum, you probably just win because Cakez is going to vote you.

what? if Pooky is scum and I vote him he's in the bad place because I probably would not be unvoting him at that point

[SirCakez]

Eden'sFlame was going to be my push today if they hadn't been NKed why would I have killed them here

[SirCakez]

because she wanted to vote for you?

when did you say you wanted to push Edensflame?

okay so you can't see this but I said to Galron in the hood it was either Eden or you
I thought it was just Vanderscamp so I had to loop back to old suspects when Van flipped town

[SirCakez]

and Pooky you know I would have had a hell of an easier time pushing Eden than you from experience LOL

[SirCakez]

I HAD ANOTHER NIGHTMARE ABOUT POOKY SNOWING ME NOOOOO

[SirCakez]

like are you trying to sell me that you shoot me at night and then try to get Galron to vote for EF tomm? Like what makes you think Galron would do that?

The obv answer to this is I just shoot Galron instead

Galron what is the name of your role? if you can share that

what was the point of this question?

Just checking because all the roles in this game have weird names

[SirCakez]

like are you trying to sell me that you shoot me at night and then try to get Galron to vote for EF tomm? Like what makes you think Galron would do that?

The obv answer to this is I just shoot Galron instead

Galron what is the name of your role? if you can share that

what was the point of this question?

Just checking because all the roles in this game have weird names

and try to get me to vote for EF?

Why do you think you can get me to vote for my top townread again?

Since when was EF your top townread?

[SirCakez]

Oh shit I thought we had way more time

[SirCakez]

VOTE: pooky
I just can't see myself voting Galron here

[SirCakez]

A day left. Ugh.

Scum here doesn't even need to post this let the thread die in apathy

[SirCakez]

And it seems like Pooky isn't even considering Galron a suspect here which I don't think he plays today this way as town

[SirCakez]

And all of their posting up until both Ahri and Isis were dead was garbage basically and pushed on a bunch of town

[SirCakez]

Ok great I'm right
You didn't get me this time Pooky!!

[SirCakez]

Galron what are you thinking here?

[SirCakez]

Awww boo hoo here comes the Pooky waterworks

[SirCakez]

Notice how Pooky was waiting to place a vote until forced because he wanted to be able to hammer either you or me Galron

[SirCakez]

And notice how he ignored his scum buddy Ahri in his entire ISO until the hammer which was inevitable anyways

[SirCakez]

Ok Galron chop chop

[SirCakez]

I'm out and about right now not gonna make some big argument here

[SirCakez]

Pookys arguments are totally nonsensical
Like for example it's very obvious what I meant when I said I don't see myself voting for Galron today but he's making it out like it's nonsense when any newbie mafia player would understand what I meant there

I can't dissect everything I'm on a doordash but just read what he's saying it's nonsense

[SirCakez]

And like what is the harm in asking for the role name? He's making it out to be such a big deal when it was just an offhand question he's acting like my whole argument is based around it

[SirCakez]

Ugh

[SirCakez]

This sucks

[SirCakez]

Yes I was town
Again

[SirCakez]

I have a truly atrocious history in LyLo

[SirCakez]

Definitely not playing mafia again until my semester is done

[SirCakez]

gg
I need to take a break

[SirCakez]

Cuz we sucked lol