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[Mizzytastic]

I'm feeling quite ill and I don't trust my brain right now so I'll let the worst handle vote counts

Feel better soon!

It was a 24 hour stomach bug so I think I'm part the worst of it. Mostly just tired and low appetite now. I feel like I have a grip on reality again so that's nice. Thanks for the concern

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the thing, if Frogster is town, this is probably a scum victory because the scum victory path would be Frogster->April.

[April Ludgate]

Paranoia of a moon theory Fire/Tene team.

[MathBlade]

Here’s the thing, if Frogster is town, this is probably a scum victory because the scum victory path would be Frogster->April.

Why are you so focused on pathing instead of just a solve?

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Titus post because mobile

viewtopic.php?p=13291891#p13291891

Based on Titus scum meta it’s unlikely Scorpious is scum.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Nordom

I would like to gain further information to divine this player's alignment.

This is the first vote off of the Datisi wagon in 1.5.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Datisi

Post 39 feels unnatural to me.

Frogsterking, you may need to do some research on what to expect from this game.

This is a point for tene. I don’t think a scum does this in RVS.

[fireisredsir]

yea to me the only thing that really gives me pause on tene is that the wagon movement d1 and d2 does fit on some level with a titus/tene/cape/frog team. i don't feel very inclined to bet anything on that though considering ive been townreading tene's recent play, and some of the interactions look pretty not-partner-y

[DeasVail]

Having taken a step back from the game this feels more like a TvT

TvT as in... you vs fire?

[DeasVail]

Here’s the thing, if Frogster is town, this is probably a scum victory because the scum victory path would be Frogster->April.

Why are you so focused on pathing instead of just a solve?

I was going to ask why April is so focused on how town is going to elim them

[MathBlade]

I'm not really feeling my dats vote anymore

VOTE: hem

Would also vote fua

Pedit that timing tho

This vote looks sus I need to look back at why Skitter voted Datisi

[MathBlade]

Here’s the thing, if Frogster is town, this is probably a scum victory because the scum victory path would be Frogster->April.

Why are you so focused on pathing instead of just a solve?

I was going to ask why April is so focused on how town is going to elim them

What’s your thoughts atm?

[DeasVail]

I'm still feeling nervous regarding Frogster. I'm still kind of not convinced of them being scum? I'm not confident enough to say "DON'T DO IT, FROGSTER IS TOWN!!!!" but I also am just a bit... skeptical.

what teams do you think are most likely that don't have frog in them?

I was thinking cape/scorp and then wasn't sure of the other. I think I'm a bit more suspect of April than you are but I'm willing to park that for now. STD is floating around in my head as a maaaybe because recent play is feeling pretty coasty.

I'm also constantly reevaluating my Frogster read so if anything changes there then I'll vote but I'm still.. thinking about it.

PEdit: @Math the above is probably answer to your q. I think I mentioned my top suspects being cape/scorp before though.

[MathBlade]

if you're scum, obviously you want me to townread you. but, you know that those tiny bits of my "things that town!vp does" list won't help you because we both know they're on that list. bUT ALSO, you know that i know that. so now i'm like, would scum!baltar purposefully drop these little hints, *knowing* that i'm gonna notice them and start losing sleep over them, in order to get into my head?

because i know how much you wanna fool me, but my issue is, like, in the times when i first noticed you doing these tells, they felt more natural. like it made sense for you to bring up notes at the time in oligarchy or guardians because you were catching up on a lot. but here, they were mentioned in the context of a readslist from a half-shitposty first 10 pages of a game. and the "changing votes" thing, originally they were said with much more confidence and self-assurance that i've noticed town!baltar has, while here they just feel said to make sure they've been said

I actually kinda like this

I wish Skitter was here so I could ask her why she liked this yet didn’t Unvote Datisi

[DeasVail]

I also agree that galron is only not in the picture because of the psychologist result, which is either a good thing or... not

[fireisredsir]

im fine with voting frog or cape. frog still hasn't attempted to solve at all (and his reason for not solving is terrible and extremely scummy, "im not solving until math is dead or people stop sheeping him", like i mean come on, what town says that?) so i would prefer to vote there

[fireisredsir]

im willing to consider other possibilities tomorrow, but for today it's frog or cape

[fireisredsir]

whenever math is ready

[MathBlade]

whenever math is ready

I am not so sure there.

I need to figure out Titus’s plan and how this fits.

[fireisredsir]

fine with me, no rush

[MathBlade]

assuming Math is a mason

then why would scum shoot monkey over Math?

its Math...

I didn't get a staunch read either way yet. Why?

So you read him? If so why did you not talk about him. If your post wasn't about VP then I have no clue what you are on about.

I have no reads yet. I was hoping your answer would narrow things down.

Second, Math is capable of being competent Nero. Logically monkey dying over Math fypov suggests that money has better reads, scum used a strongman, or monkey can better rally people or a combination. Answering this helps us.

Titus said I am capable of being competent. I need to figure out what made her switch and be negative.

[fireisredsir]

personally i think titus' original plan was to live to endgame but that didn't work out. the key i guess is finding where exactly that plan shifted to "set the game state up to be in a favorable position once im gone". I'd guess somewhere around 6088

[fireisredsir]

and if you're open to ideas, i think she switched on you because it set her up in a good position to get townread by April and VP

[MathBlade]

personally i think titus' original plan was to live to endgame but that didn't work out. the key i guess is finding where exactly that plan shifted to "set the game state up to be in a favorable position once im gone". I'd guess somewhere around 6088

I don’t think she ever planned to live to endgame. She flipped two shot.

[fireisredsir]

not due to role, due to playstyle. from my pov at least, i don't think there's any scum left who could lead town. if she's gone town will solve this, and I think we're most of the way there.

from your pov i get how that's not a given, since me or april could be the one intended to lead town and go deep. but i know it's not me, and im confident enough in april being town to think it isn't them either, so that's why i think titus wanted to be the one