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[Dwlee99]

Share the meme with the class if it exists

[DkKoba]

quoting private communication is against the rules

[DkKoba]

and I'm not going to angleshoot the rule just to "prove" it exists lol

[ShadowGirl]

who do you want to talk about

Like, the full playerlist.

No

Why not?

[Greeting]

Okay, I focused on Day 2 for now solely.

Since we have a Town Mason dead, we need the other one to claim. I saw a claim from

Roden

and no counterclaim, am I correct? If there's no counterclaim then

Roden

is basically confirmed town and should be treated as such.

Roden

, was there anyone else in your Mason neighbourhood?

I understand that there is a guilty claim on

Dwlee99

. What's the guilty claim? I don't get this part.

What? Why would I say if there were other Masons?

Because Masons know they're town. So anyone you could have been a Mason with, aside of

GuiltyLion

, is basically confirmed town. Which narrows the pool of suspects.

[Enchant]

What suspects if we choosing between Dwlee/Koba

[Roden]

What suspects if we choosing between Dwlee/Koba

You.

[Greeting]

Simple Doctor fails on Not-Vanilla. And mason... Is mason.

So Dwlee is scum, but not for reason you just got.

But... if

Dwlee99

's claim was true - that he's a Simple Doctor, and he tried to protect a Mason it would have failed anyway?

Which would make the claim true? I suppose that if he's scum, it would have been better to claim that they protected someone else?

I mean, sometimes players lie about their roles as town. But the Rolecop would have known if they had any other ability than Neighbor. Which makes this a claim vs. claim thing. I think that's enough to eliminate

Dwlee99

and go from there.

[Enchant]

What suspects if we choosing between Dwlee/Koba

You.

You are not suspect, you are Mason.

Stop being silly.

Simple Doctor fails on Not-Vanilla. And mason... Is mason.

So Dwlee is scum, but not for reason you just got.

But... if

Dwlee99

's claim was true - that he's a Simple Doctor, and he tried to protect a Mason it would have failed anyway?

Which would make the claim true? I suppose that if he's scum, it would have been better to claim that they protected someone else?

I mean, sometimes players lie about their roles as town. But the Rolecop would have known if they had any other ability than Neighbor. Which makes this a claim vs. claim thing. I think that's enough to eliminate

Dwlee99

and go from there.

As i said, my bet on Dwlee. I have some urges to vote Koba, but just...

[Not Known 15]

Not moving my vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[4] Dwlee99: DkKoba, tictac, Not Known 15, Greeting
[2] DkKoba: Dwlee99, humaneatingmonkey
[1] Enchant: Roden

[3] Not voting: ShadowGirl, marcistar, Enchant

With 10 players alive, 6 votes are needed for an elimination.

D2: deadline: (expired on 2022-04-08 13:15:24)

[tictac]

my sympathies 2 people wanting extensive interaction, but i just wanna do the obv mechplay here

Why's that the obv mechplay?

when there is a guilty, yeet the guilty.

looks like i misunderstood the question and answered the 'what' instead of the 'why'.
'why' is cause 1v1 trades are bad for scum wincon (cause they are a minority), so it's unlikely they will initiate one.

[Enchant]

my sympathies 2 people wanting extensive interaction, but i just wanna do the obv mechplay here

Why's that the obv mechplay?

when there is a guilty, yeet the guilty.

looks like i misunderstood the question and answered the 'what' instead of the 'why'.
'why' is cause 1v1 trades are bad for scum wincon (cause they are a minority), so it's unlikely they will initiate one.

Actually, not really.

Accuse town > Town dies.
Nightkill Town.
Get Scum lim.
Nightkill Town.


3 Town for 1 Scum.

[tictac]

Which would make the claim true? I suppose that if he's scum, it would have been better to claim that they protected someone else?

claiming a lion-visit would be better if koba was actually a tracker/watcher and saw dwee visiting lion

[tictac]

Actually, not really.

Accuse town > Town dies.
Nightkill Town.
Get Scum lim.
Nightkill Town.


3 Town for 1 Scum.

i mean 50% yeet accuracy pmuch always gonna lead to town win.
sure numbers gonna go down as the game progresses, what matters is the ratio of dead scum vs dead town being above 1/4

[ShadowGirl]

@Greeting: Have you caught up on D1 yet? I see a lot of mechanics talk (Roden is town because mason, Dwlee is scum because only one of the two claims can be true), but I don't see any talk of actual reads. Why do you inherently believe DkKoba over Dwlee? What is your take on the theory that DkKoba could be a traitor?

[Greeting]

@Greeting: Have you caught up on D1 yet? I see a lot of mechanics talk (Roden is town because mason, Dwlee is scum because only one of the two claims can be true), but I don't see any talk of actual reads. Why do you inherently believe DkKoba over Dwlee? What is your take on the theory that DkKoba could be a traitor?

Shouldn't we be doing eliminate all liars now? I feel like the situation I encountered when I entered here is straightforward enough.

Dwlee99

probably lied and they should be eliminated. If

DkKoba

lied about their role and result, we will know tomorrow anyway.

If I make it to Day 3, that's when I will need stronger reads than this. In my experience of playing mafia, it is rather unwise to not believe counterclaims.

I haven't heard the theory of

DkKoba

being Traitor though, what is it about?

[marcistar]

townies give reads :suspish_eyes:

[Greeting]

Ok, well, I read

Dwlee99

as scum, because they apparently lied about being a Simple Doctor when in fact they are a Neighborizer and the claim about this comes from a Rolecop.

Hope it helped.

[Greeting]

Not Neighborizer. Neighbor. These are two different roles. Apologies.

Anyways, Rolecop should know the whole role and apparently

Dwlee99

is a Neighbor. Why is there so much doubt in this game about this?

[Enchant]

Not Neighborizer. Neighbor. These are two different roles. Apologies.

Anyways, Rolecop should know the whole role and apparently

Dwlee99

is a Neighbor. Why is there so much doubt in this game about this?

People fear that Koba is traitor faking guilty to get Dwlee down.

[ShadowGirl]

Ok, well, I read

Dwlee99

as scum, because they apparently lied about being a Simple Doctor when in fact they are a Neighborizer and the claim about this comes from a Rolecop.

Hope it helped.

(Traitor theory summed up.)

VOTE: Enchant

Just realized the issue with our current assumptions. If Koba actually is a Traitor, they actually gain a lot by faking a guilty on Dwlee. They essentially get to kill the Doc and send the main scum team to MELO for free. Koba getting caught lying doesn't matter if the scum team end up in MELO regardless, especially since all of the attention at that point has just been on Koba/Dwlee for two days straight, and scum doesn't have to build associatives or pretend to solve during that time.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't eliminate one of them; evidently one of them is lying. But how do you believe with such absolute certainty that DkKoba is not a fakeclaiming scum(/traitor)?

[Enchant]

ShadowGirl.

Do you objectively believe Koba even shut up even as mafia?

[marcistar]

Ok, well, I read

Dwlee99

as scum, because they apparently lied about being a Simple Doctor when in fact they are a Neighborizer and the claim about this comes from a Rolecop.

Hope it helped.

okay giving urself time to make fake reads at night!! I SEE U SCUM!!

yeah the lim is already basically set in stone, but by not giving reads on others u make urself more sus than ur slot already was XOXOXOXOXOXOOXOXO

[marcistar]

i want ur reads on others... T_T *sad egirl cries*