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[fireisredsir]

I'm not saying it makes you scum, either (I don't think you are).

why not

i kinda think it might

[humaneatingmonkey]

idk why scum umlaut wouldn't want to get in on ground zero of that fertile soil for a wagon

soil isn't very fertile

im not very mislimmable

[humaneatingmonkey]

you guys are townreading umlaut on the belief that he's doing towny things, and when asked to explain which towny things it is, a lot of it is just weak excuses

you are scumreading umlaut on the belief that he's doing scummy things, and when asked to explain which scummy things it is, a lot of it is just weak excuses

weak comeback

[fireisredsir]

idk why scum umlaut wouldn't want to get in on ground zero of that fertile soil for a wagon

soil isn't very fertile

im not very mislimmable

who is, in this player list?

[humaneatingmonkey]

that was not the topic.

the topic was is bomb!umlaut more likely to cast a first vote on a loud town player who makes it obvious that he's town under pressure and known for tunnelling slots to death, or is it better to join empty-calorie wagons in early game.
i think town!umlaut won't mind voting me there. i think bomb!umlaut will join empty calorie wagons.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i understand

you want to make me out as wacky here to protect your dear bomb friend

but it's okay. this game is over soon.

[fireisredsir]

i guess i don't know you and ydrasse as players well enough to come to that same conclusion

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'll be back later

it's a busy week

[Aristeia]

The day 1 herosolve attempts are going to make me lose my mind. I cannot emphasize enough that trying to worldbuild around elaborate theories is significantly more likely to be wrong and unhelpful than making more individualized reads.

Ari's herosolve reads like a bad joke which makes me doubt its sincerity.

wolfy pop in

[Aristeia]

@HEM

if you're convinced fire!scum is covering for um!bomb, perhaps you could help us with yeeting Fire!scum? Surely if Fire flips Goon - we can get Um!bomb tommorrow.

[fireisredsir]

playing for bomb solving really is just so convenient, you don't have to scumread the people you're voting, and you don't have to vote the people you scumread

[Aristeia]

I think I've made it clear I do scum-read you. The bomb is also Mafia.

[fireisredsir]

yes i was not talking about you

[Aristeia]

my mistake - sorry!

[fireisredsir]

actually tbh i don't even really think monkey scumreads me, it was just convenient for him while arguing to act like he did

[Roden]

idk why scum umlaut wouldn't want to get in on ground zero of that fertile soil for a wagon

soil isn't very fertile

im not very mislimmable

who is, in this player list?

Me.

[Roden]

Kinda have a gut feeling that Fire is the venge bomb, or I guess Alpha Zombie with this flavor

What's giving u thay vibe? Or at least, why alpha zombie specifically?

It's very angle shooty. Replace out after going VLA pings me. The slot was already getting scum read but wasn't going to be around to defend themself. If town or a Goon then it would be just be whatever, the wagon would probably dissipate anyway. But if you're the game ending role there's going to be a sense of responsibility and pressure to play well enough to not auto lose Day 1. So replacing out makes sense if you don't want to feel like you're letting your team down.

Yeet's read on the slot also feels off. They're hard defending them on very little, but Fire is hard scum reading them back. It's a weird interaction that makes me think it's just damage control to give Fire better standing among the potential elim choices for the day. Yeet cuts off the Fire wagon before it can stabilize and starts taking the heat instead by making odd/chaotic posts. But because Fire is one of the first players voting Yeet and cased them early, it won't look bad for Fire in the case of a red Yeet flip. It would be reasonable to say Yeet is just trying to pocket Fire in that case.

Yes, this assumes a lot and I'm seeing associatives/pre-flipping two people way too early. But their interactions don't feel natural. Fire's case on Yeet comes out too hard and too fast, and Yeet isn't reacting to any of it and is just repeating "Fire town" over and over.

Okay fine, towny post

Being the first one to say this is +town.

VOTE: Yeet

I don't really care, why did you think that, even if momentarily, and why did you move on from it?

Not letting Yeet dodge the question here shows a solvey mindset.

For the last time, I am not demotivated this game, or feigning it. I have been intentionally reserved but that's not the same thing.

I just don't think scum makes this post.

1. There's no reason why S!catboi wouldn't say that about your post if he thinks it is Townie - he also does not support your conclusion and vote for Fire but he didn't express why at the time.

2. If Yeet is town and Fire is a Bomb then he has every reason to push one end of the pair and not the other - flipping yeet!town would protect fire!bomb

3. I don't think you have any basis for your third point, you'd have to explain it to me clearer why scum!him doesn't make such a post.

1. Catboi doesn't need to say anything at all tbh. To me it shows a town mindset because of the reasons

why

he thinks it's townie. He doesn't explain the read but you can tell why he thinks my post was townie.

2. I mean, yeah? If those were confirmed facts then sure, but I'm not about to pre-flip 4 out of 11 slots like that.

3. It's just a behavioral read. I just simply don't think he would feel the need to say that and then continue to reiterate that as scum.

[humaneatingmonkey]

@HEM

if you're convinced fire!scum is covering for um!bomb, perhaps you could help us with yeeting Fire!scum? Surely if Fire flips Goon - we can get Um!bomb tommorrow.

i still think i can get an umlaut wagon started and i still think scum!yeet + bomb!fire isn't likely. i wanna go bomb hunting.

how do you read umlaut?

[Aristeia]

1. Catboi doesn't need to say anything at all tbh. To me it shows a town mindset because of the reasons why he thinks it's townie. He doesn't explain the read but you can tell why he thinks my post was townie.

2. I mean, yeah? If those were confirmed facts then sure, but I'm not about to pre-flip 4 out of 11 slots like that.

3. It's just a behavioral read. I just simply don't think he would feel the need to say that and then continue to reiterate that as scum.

Have you read many games where Catboi is mafia? because I don't think any of these are good reasons to townread him because they feel like things he could easily fake.

[humaneatingmonkey]

playing for bomb solving really is just so convenient, you don't have to scumread the people you're voting, and you don't have to vote the people you scumread

oh? who's doing this?

[Aristeia]

@HEM

if you're convinced fire!scum is covering for um!bomb, perhaps you could help us with yeeting Fire!scum? Surely if Fire flips Goon - we can get Um!bomb tommorrow.

i still think i can get an umlaut wagon started and i still think scum!yeet + bomb!fire isn't likely. i wanna go bomb hunting.

how do you read umlaut?

I don't really have a very good track record of reading umlaut

If I had to guess off the top of my head I'd say town because I think his scum play is a bit better than what's present here.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what's his scum play?

[Aristeia]

he's fairly decent at faking associatives, faking hunting, faking interest, some of his reads do end up TMIy in the way that fire described.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'll try to read some of his games after work

[Aristeia]

I also don't think he would draw bomb and just not put in any effort in this kind of player list? If he's goon I think he would've gotten bussed for cred already.