This was me saying straight up I was going to check not mafia night 1.In post 151, geraintm wrote:well, Not Mafia certainly makes the game different. But i am 100% sure we shall be able to work out their alignment sooner rather than later so i am not going to worry about them.
VOTE: nero cain
In post 151, geraintm wrote:well, Not Mafia certainly makes the game different. But i am 100% sure we shall be able to work out their alignment sooner rather than later so i am not going to worry about them.
VOTE: nero cain
This is post hammer, and me saying I didn't like the wagon that formed off save thr dragon and I would want to look there overnight
In post 151, geraintm wrote:well, Not Mafia certainly makes the game different. But i am 100% sure we shall be able to work out their alignment sooner rather than later so i am not going to worry about them.
VOTE: nero cain
I was blocked night one, so all thr conversation about scorpious being blocked rang untrue to me, because it would require 2 blockersIn post 1536, geraintm wrote:ive been catching up, and this is the 1st mention of me today in 6 pages.In post 1468, Andresvmb wrote:You know why this is important right? The options for executions yesterday if we’re being honest for a second were {geraintm, Scorpious, Save The Dragons, Not_Mafia}. Not_Mafia was ultimately executed and flipped Town, and there was some visible resistance to executing Save The Dragons. Scorpious is the easiest choice for mis-execution amongst the players that gathered multiple votes yesterday, if they’re actually Town.
I think angela’s conviction that Kitty is Town is also just completely bizarre. Maybe you could say that you think Kitty is Lean Town or something an explain why. But can anyone tell me why there’s so much conviction behind that read? I don’t get that at all. I certainly don’t agree with it.
mailman - something feels off if scum used a block on that. Town has already discussed that mailman isn't a certain town role so why do it?
regarding the above, i do like the line "some visible resistance to executing Save The Dragons" - it certainly felt like that to me. will come back to this when i look at votes.
anyone who is strongly town reading anyone (or strongly scum reading someone) i am assuming has some extra info right now, because Day 1 didn't feel like anyone should come out of it with my town credit.
I am on the side of Angela btw, i don't think Scorpious was roleblocked.
never make guesses about why scum killed who, it will always be wrong or right for the wrong reasonsIn post 1495, Rathe wrote:also the pooky kill seems like a scared kill not strategic
this seems odd. i am currently leaning town on Angela, so you to come in straight up with a vote like that needs some more explanation than you have so far given.
In post 151, geraintm wrote:well, Not Mafia certainly makes the game different. But i am 100% sure we shall be able to work out their alignment sooner rather than later so i am not going to worry about them.
VOTE: nero cain
In post 1536, geraintm wrote:ive been catching up, and this is the 1st mention of me today in 6 pages.In post 1468, Andresvmb wrote:You know why this is important right? The options for executions yesterday if we’re being honest for a second were {geraintm, Scorpious, Save The Dragons, Not_Mafia}. Not_Mafia was ultimately executed and flipped Town, and there was some visible resistance to executing Save The Dragons. Scorpious is the easiest choice for mis-execution amongst the players that gathered multiple votes yesterday, if they’re actually Town.
I think angela’s conviction that Kitty is Town is also just completely bizarre. Maybe you could say that you think Kitty is Lean Town or something an explain why. But can anyone tell me why there’s so much conviction behind that read? I don’t get that at all. I certainly don’t agree with it.
mailman - something feels off if scum used a block on that. Town has already discussed that mailman isn't a certain town role so why do it?
regarding the above, i do like the line "some visible resistance to executing Save The Dragons" - it certainly felt like that to me. will come back to this when i look at votes.
anyone who is strongly town reading anyone (or strongly scum reading someone) i am assuming has some extra info right now, because Day 1 didn't feel like anyone should come out of it with my town credit.
I am on the side of Angela btw, i don't think Scorpious was roleblocked.
never make guesses about why scum killed who, it will always be wrong or right for the wrong reasonsIn post 1495, Rathe wrote:also the pooky kill seems like a scared kill not strategic
this seems odd. i am currently leaning town on Angela, so you to come in straight up with a vote like that needs some more explanation than you have so far given.
Revisit Save the dragonIn post 1922, geraintm wrote:Agree that Save the Dragon has looked suspicious ever since yesterday, but i'd much rather the scorpious wagon and revisit STD at a later stageIn post 1916, KittyTacky wrote:I don't understand the Malcolm wagon, Malcolm isn't scummy at all to me, it's between STD and Scorp today.
Also I'm sick so might not be very active.
This is me saying I plan to visit not mafia night 1, as I can never read themIn post 151, geraintm wrote:well, Not Mafia certainly makes the game different. But i am 100% sure we shall be able to work out their alignment sooner rather than later so i am not going to worry about them.
VOTE: nero cain
This was post hammer, saving I found the wagon that formed away from save the dragon weird and I would check it out
As I was blocked, I was suspicious of there being 2 blockers in the game, why I never believed scorpious and their "Mt message never came through"In post 1536, geraintm wrote:ive been catching up, and this is the 1st mention of me today in 6 pages.In post 1468, Andresvmb wrote:You know why this is important right? The options for executions yesterday if we’re being honest for a second were {geraintm, Scorpious, Save The Dragons, Not_Mafia}. Not_Mafia was ultimately executed and flipped Town, and there was some visible resistance to executing Save The Dragons. Scorpious is the easiest choice for mis-execution amongst the players that gathered multiple votes yesterday, if they’re actually Town.
I think angela’s conviction that Kitty is Town is also just completely bizarre. Maybe you could say that you think Kitty is Lean Town or something an explain why. But can anyone tell me why there’s so much conviction behind that read? I don’t get that at all. I certainly don’t agree with it.
mailman - something feels off if scum used a block on that. Town has already discussed that mailman isn't a certain town role so why do it?
regarding the above, i do like the line "some visible resistance to executing Save The Dragons" - it certainly felt like that to me. will come back to this when i look at votes.
anyone who is strongly town reading anyone (or strongly scum reading someone) i am assuming has some extra info right now, because Day 1 didn't feel like anyone should come out of it with my town credit.
I am on the side of Angela btw, i don't think Scorpious was roleblocked.
never make guesses about why scum killed who, it will always be wrong or right for the wrong reasonsIn post 1495, Rathe wrote:also the pooky kill seems like a scared kill not strategic
this seems odd. i am currently leaning town on Angela, so you to come in straight up with a vote like that needs some more explanation than you have so far given.
I am literally saying here I will revisit Save the dragon at some pointIn post 1922, geraintm wrote:Agree that Save the Dragon has looked suspicious ever since yesterday, but i'd much rather the scorpious wagon and revisit STD at a later stageIn post 1916, KittyTacky wrote:I don't understand the Malcolm wagon, Malcolm isn't scummy at all to me, it's between STD and Scorp today.
Also I'm sick so might not be very active.
This os me in thread telling g Enchant off because I know they didn't do what they had just claimedIn post 2428, geraintm wrote:I don't know what to make of enchants post at all.
But I have spent the last two days laughing because we somehow caught scorpious who had not lied about their role.
No wonder they were passed
This post may not have made a whole lot of sense at the time, but if I ever got nightlilled it should have cleared Anders who am literally saying is more likely to be town than angelaIn post 2547, geraintm wrote:I don't think mass claim is the way forward, andni certainly don't think anders needs to.
Wish angela would focus their attention off anders, i have the pair of you 1st and second in my town pile- right now I have save the day at the top of my most suspicious list and i will, when I have time tomorrow, go back and loom at the votes on wagons now we ha e the extra info of scorpious being scum. Bed now though
This was me being really confused, as I had just got a green result on them and they weren't in the vote listIn post 2650, geraintm wrote:Isn't Jackson in the game? I don't see them.in the list of 7 players?
I want them around, well as they are green that is whyIn post 2656, geraintm wrote:Thanks, I was surprised and very confused when I couldn't see themIn post 2651, Greeting wrote:In post 2650, geraintm wrote:Isn't Jackson in the game? I don't see them.in the list of 7 players?This has been corrected.
I want them around
This was "if I get killed this is where I have stuck all my results" post.In post 2657, geraintm wrote:Me, andres and Jackson clear.
Angela 99% clear
Malcolm is not clear to me
I plan to check Rathe tonight, because they seemed most eager to end today
i do not know why it is designed that wayIn post 2791, Andresvmb wrote:angela’s claim is actually weird. A N1/2/3 Tracker? What kind of gating is that?In post 2771, JacksonVirgo wrote:Like hell am I just going to give a player faith that they are Town
In post 2797, MalcolmTucker wrote:I've gone through Nero and Rathe's ISOs a bit to try and see where we're at but feeling a bit stumped - I think both could potentially be mafia, but I'd struggle to make a committed push for either of them in particularly good faith for reasons that also potentially couldn't apply to me to an extent, especially with Rathe.
Re Rathe - STD continually pushed them but it was a push that never really went either and could have been constructed to create a bit of distance. But, like me, Rathe did vote for STD a point in D1 when I'm not sure it was consistent for them to do so.
Nero has been suspiciously quiet since D1. On D1 they pushed Scorpious a decent bit but then defaulted to NM, and they haven't voted for an elimination since. A record of eliminating townie over mafia, followed by two non-votes on mafia players, is not a good look. But if we weren't unsure I'd be more likely to say they're town based on their Scorpious push.
Personally I really do not think I look mafia re the STD push. I was pretty consistent on calling them out from D1 - I noted that the push on Rathe was fake and that they weren't offering particularly genuine contributions to the game in a way that would have been town. No reason Nero couldn't be partnered with them, I don't think, it's just the Scorpious link that makes me a bit morew unsure.
So as I say I think I look really town here, but I'd also struggle to properly push for an elimination of either Rathe or Nero without some proper further discussion. I struggle to see Geraint/Angela as liars in this scenario or Andre as mafia given early exchanges with Scorpious. I may be your best elimination here but can assure you it's most definitely not going to be end of game, and I think you're maybe best taking some time before getting rid of me to deduce who is your best target for D4 on how they've approached me. I think anyone pushing for an immediate and quick elimination when we have lots of time is suspect if not already cleared.
Copying these over for anyone who missed them.In post 2798, MalcolmTucker wrote:Re how I've played on STD - I called out their push on Rathe being fairly weak and inconsistent in 848 and 862. In 866 I further detailed why I believed this push wasn't particularly genuine and felt like it could be coming from mafia. At this point in the game, if I remember correctly, STD had been kinda quiet and wasn't under too much suspicion. I don't think there's much benefit in mafia continually going after a partner here.
In 871 I pointed out that STD was deflecting away from my line of enquiry instead of just engaging with it naturally, and I stated this again in 875 and 878. Again I think mafia here if they're trying to manufacture an argument just sort of lets this go instead of continually pushing it. Likewise in 879 I pointed out to STD whether they should perhaps evaluate their suspicion for Rathe given nobody else was interested, again I got the sense this wasn't a genuine SR but instead just mafia going through the motions.
In 1257 I voted for STD instead of NM at a point when either of them could have gone out, and when I was going to be offline for the rest of D1. I believe the votes were about split at that point. Again, not what mafia does in this situation.
In 1448 I pointed out that Pooky had suspected STD a bit before elimination and there was a potential link there. In 1752 I pointed out STD's reads were quite dull and could easily come from hesitant mafia.
Again in 1848 I pointed out STD was neglecting to push Rathe despite suspecting them, while STD voted for me instead. In 1852 I then laid out why I thought STD and Andante (now Jackson) might be teammates.
I get this could feasibly be two mafia distancing themselves from each other for late-game, we've not quite been at each other's throats in every second post, but does all of the above read like two teammates? Why was I continually pushing a relatively inactive teammate (hypothetically if you think I'm mafia?) when they were under minimal pressure. Why did I vote for them when the vote was evenly split and they could end up going out? Why did I go back into suspecting them again on D2?
Surely Geraint will likely be eliminated in the night though? Suppose you can track though, so eliminating me, checking Rathe and also checking Nero may be a reasonable course of action.In post 2817, angela wrote:VOTE: malcolmtucker
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geraintm is going to check rathe, things remain as outlined to me
if geraintm is eliminated in the night it confirms the game to me, as only nero cain or rathe could possibly be mafia in that situation and we have two eliminations left after todayIn post 2819, MalcolmTucker wrote:Surely Geraint will likely be eliminated in the night though? Suppose you can track though, so eliminating me, checking Rathe and also checking Nero may be a reasonable course of action.
Fair, all seems pretty foolproof. Would have liked to have been around for a town win provided there's not some major twist, but happy for you all to oust me if preferred and let the night actions do the talking. As I say, elimination on me, check on both Rathe and Nero should (hopefully) seal it. Don't think either of you two are lying, nor do I think Andre is.In post 2820, angela wrote:if geraintm is eliminated in the night it confirms the game to me, as only nero cain or rathe could possibly be mafia in that situation and we have two eliminations left after todayIn post 2819, MalcolmTucker wrote:Surely Geraint will likely be eliminated in the night though? Suppose you can track though, so eliminating me, checking Rathe and also checking Nero may be a reasonable course of action.
i read them; sorry if feels unfair for you to be eliminated here, course of action already accounts for what if nero cain or rathe mafia and also what if geraintm untruthfulIn post 2818, MalcolmTucker wrote:Copying these over for anyone who missed them.
No I completely get it! This strategy seems pretty solid if mafia is in me, Rathe or Nero - pretty much bound to find out the mafia overnight either way if you two do your checks.In post 2822, angela wrote:i read them; sorry if feels unfair for you to be eliminated here, course of action already accounts for what if nero cain or rathe mafia and also what if geraintm untruthfulIn post 2818, MalcolmTucker wrote:Copying these over for anyone who missed them.
i guess you should probably claim as you and andresvmb are the only who haven't unless i somehow missed them
i do not have any checks left but is not necessary for me to anyway,In post 2821, MalcolmTucker wrote:Fair, all seems pretty foolproof. Would have liked to have been around for a town win provided there's not some major twist, but happy for you all to oust me if preferred and let the night actions do the talking. As I say, elimination on me, check on both Rathe and Nero should (hopefully) seal it. Don't think either of you two are lying, nor do I think Andre is.
