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[Cat Scratch Fever]

VC 1.08

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-04-25 00:30:00).

VC

Flavor Leaf [2]:

Malakittens [26], humaneatingmonkey [265]

koopashell [2]:

Scorpious [457], ItalianoVD [484]

humaneatingmonkey [1]:

Flavor Leaf [273]

Malakittens [1]:

Roden [70]

Not Known 15 [1]:

JacksonVirgo [138]

ItalianoVD [1]:

KittyTacky [364]

Saladman27 [1]:

koopashell [420]

Not voting [4]:

MalcolmTucker, Facebones, Saladman27, Not Known 15 [149]

mod notes

Saladman27 needs to make a game advancing post in (expired on 2022-04-17 03:00:00) or will be replaced

[ItalianoVD]

Early solve attempt is Koopa, HEM, and most likely one of the quiet ones..

Could be as simple Facebones.. but that’s reachy this early.

Italiano, why is scorpious villagery to you? Remove the fact that they are voting me - that is wrong + you should consider thought processes over ego.

When did I say Scorpious was villagery?

[humaneatingmonkey]

did i miss anything? when did FL clear anyone?

oh is that like when he flips his read on you so that he would only fight one front, and he has the chance to get you over to his side?
i remember him mentioning that as a scum strategy right here in this game — ease off your scumreads they’ll town read them.

[koopashell]

Early solve attempt is Koopa, HEM, and most likely one of the quiet ones..

Could be as simple Facebones.. but that’s reachy this early.

Italiano, why is scorpious villagery to you? Remove the fact that they are voting me - that is wrong + you should consider thought processes over ego.

When did I say Scorpious was villagery?

It's implicit in how youre acting. Can you tell me how you're reading them then?
I have a feeling theres 1 wolf (only 1 wolf) between you 2. I don't think you're ever W/W

[humaneatingmonkey]

maybe you're just scum Italiano

[ItalianoVD]

It's implicit in how youre acting.

How and when was it implied? I’d like you to give me examples.

[koopashell]

maybe you're just scum Italiano

Can you not.

[koopashell]

It's implicit in how youre acting.

How and when was it implied? I’d like you to give me examples.

State your read on Scorpious.
Stop deflecting please.
It's fairly easy to see why I thought it was implicit - you are giving them no pressure + are happy to sheep them to get a wagon going on me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Italiano's telling me right now that not only he finds FL's flip on his slot believable (which I don't see), he's telling me that he believes FL clearing him there is town-indicative.

Is this an accurate representation, Mr. Sir ItalianoVD MD?

[ItalianoVD]

maybe you're just scum Italiano

Yup, that’s it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

maybe you're just scum Italiano

Can you not.

ILL DO WHAT I WANT

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Friendly mod reminder about the activity rules in this game:

Prods

- 36 hour before prod, respond to prod within 24 hours before replacement.
- Please make a game-advancing post in order to reset the prod timer.
- On your third prod, I will also begin searching for a replacement.
- Players who have declared V/LA will still be expected to post every 72 hours.

I'm not counting 382 as a game-advancing post, so Salad will have to post in (expired on 2022-04-17 03:00:00) or be replaced

[koopashell]

Hm actually
I had a weird theory pop up of Scorpious traitor, italiano wolf, but that's only if scorp is to flip exactly traitor.

[koopashell]

Friendly mod reminder about the activity rules in this game:

Prods

- 36 hour before prod, respond to prod within 24 hours before replacement.
- Please make a game-advancing post in order to reset the prod timer.
- On your third prod, I will also begin searching for a replacement.
- Players who have declared V/LA will still be expected to post every 72 hours.

I'm not counting 382 as a game-advancing post, so Salad will have to post in (expired on 2022-04-17 03:00:00) or be replaced

Based

[koopashell]

Idea:
Scorpious Traitor
Italiano and Mala wolves.

I need to so another reISO session later.
The push on me is very flimsy and utilitizes things I know are present in my playstyle that wolves very often think are "wolfy" looking. I know because, obviously, I see it first hand :p

In other news I think HEM is a villager based on recent posts, unfortunately its a sort of conviction/want to be heard kind of energy I see in them.

That being said, we have not seen this in a while, I'll take the advice that no one wants to pressure inactive slots(poor decision imo but I am not a 1 man army) and: VOTE: Mala

[koopashell]

I think if FL is found to be intentionally instigating fights and retreating once its started - thats a likely hit by the way - be on the lookout. Although I do feel their pushes have been genuine and not with this intent however.

[koopashell]

I forgot to state this but I feel Roden is also very villagery

I would make this my core right now:
Roden - HEM - NK15
Malcom, FL, JV, FB, Kitty are all in a tier below that.
Everyone else is PoE atm.

[Scorpious]

Why would us not knowing what a term means even worth bringing up?

Your account has been here since 2015. It’s not a big deal it’s just I scratch my head when older accounts ask about things they should know already. To be fair maybe some of these terms are very very new and you’ve been gone for a while so I’ll digress.

Just so there is no loss in openness..

I’ve been back awhile now, there was probably a 5 year gap before that though.

I appreciate the leeway, I just know someone will jump on this and say something like . Scorpious has been playing for months, cause I have..

I had to ask what LAMIST meant in a game as well.

[koopashell]

Openness involves explaining reads and progression, not some weird tangent about not knowing vocabulary my guy

[Malakittens]

That being said, we have not seen this in a while, I'll take the advice that no one wants to pressure inactive slots(poor decision imo but I am not a 1 man army) and: VOTE: Mala

Uh, odd tweet, but k.

There's more inactive slots than me. I just needed to sleep yesterday since I'm a swinger (aka go from nightowl to dayowl and vice versa)

I think I have given plenty of content.

[Malakittens]

I forgot to state this but I feel Roden is also very villagery

I would make this my core right now:
Roden - HEM - NK15
Malcom, FL, JV, FB, Kitty are all in a tier below that.
Everyone else is PoE atm.

I'm really questioning how FB/Kitty are in a towntier currently, but i;m not caught up just yet

I dont really agree with NK15 being a top town tier unless more content was posted since i went to sleep, but i dont feel that slot is town just yet

[Scorpious]

Openness involves explaining reads and progression, not some weird tangent about not knowing vocabulary my guy

And this shade is doing what?

[Malakittens]

Ah now I know why it wasn't obvious... I made a mistake.

Not completely getting what you missed originally re Mala, and why you've flipped here? The chain of events seemed pretty easy to follow re how they'd played and why they had come under pressure.

I missed that mala might have not meant being town with jv as both being town but rather as being town with jv present.
Something I saw when checking it after the last mala post before my unvote.

Fair enough, I'm just not seeing why this one detail would have made Mala go from "obvious" mafia so early on in the game to not being worthy of a vote?

Missing that detail makes it a near 100% scum slot.
With that detail and that, in hindsight, their progression makes sense under the other possibility, plus a slightly towny reply...

Then obv you missed it even after my second post is my thought process just not outlined like my other post

BACKPEDAS

I don't understand this post.

I think you are back pedaling after I called you out for your very oppurnistic and crappy reason to vote me.

Only explanation I can think of is Mala doesn't think Koopa's play in general is scummy but that the vote itself is.

But yeah major discrepancy, good spot.

Why are you answering for mala instead of waiting for the reply?

I'm putting out a possible explanation as to why they could say that, they are of course welcome to clarify whether that is correct.

I really think you should let people answer their question that was directed first rather than trying to put your own opion out first. I kinda agree that this looks shitty for answering me esp when I was present rl in the thread youcould have waited.

I didn’t like the trajectory.

Letting me breathe & then asking me to post a list on page 4 which I’m not comfortable with and then oppurnity jumping onto my wagon using pressure vote

Which is cool, but obv makes the commenting letting me breathe go to trash

Again just hated the trajectory on premises

My issue with posts like these is that they just read as basic deflection. You've been asked, quite reasonably, to explain a discrepancy re your reads on Koopa. That is a perfectly legitimate question. My only issue with a mafia read here is this feels incredibly anti-town and unadvisable in an early game for scum. But people are perfectly entitled to suspect you and sometimes being the player under pressure is just a natural aspect of the game.

Ok, in which I did. I stated that I didn't like the path that koopa was placing. That the way the interaction to letting me breath and then automatically jumping on my wagon because he didnt agree with me giving a read list on page 6 which is unnatural for me esp when majority of the playerlist gadnt posted.

I didn’t like the trajectory.

Letting me breathe & then asking me to post a list on page 4 which I’m not comfortable with and then oppurnity jumping onto my wagon using pressure vote

Which is cool, but obv makes the commenting letting me breathe go to trash

Again just hated the trajectory on premises

My intent was to unvote as soon as you opened up your thought process a little. I probably should have said that but getting a ranked list is the easiest way for me to show my thoughts on the game quickly - your other response was also decently reasonable.

The breathe comment was before you said something "weird".
Regardless - we are starting to talk in circles about this - lets agree to drop it for now, I'm sure you'll be glad to.

Again, i'm a type of player that doesn't really have solid reads until a scum flip has happen. I tend to usualyl go for town reads first and then kinda POE from there. im not obv going to have a lot of reads on page 6

[koopashell]

Openness involves explaining reads and progression, not some weird tangent about not knowing vocabulary my guy

And this shade is doing what?

Its proving you are selectively replying to things.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm interested in how others perceive Flavor's play here - I'm inclined to think town because I think they're genuinely trying to solve and put necessary pressure on other players, but by the same token they seem skilled enough to approach the game this way as mafia and potentially manage to get away with it. I do find it interesting that they've basically been able to alter the direction of the game with pretty minimal pushback at all beyond those they've suspected.

I've found ways to use my skills as scum when I am town for sure.