Newbie 2093 | New Wave | Postgame

[Malakittens]

For instance I get really paranoid very easily and it just sucks.

thats why i have reread your ISO vs BigT to make sure the interactions with FG and whos more likely yo be the partner

[Malakittens]

I laid my newbie scum-text-book tell regarding FG p out p well, in addition,to them acting diff.

VOTE: fg

screw it, if i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but i think i'm right

Hmm.

This is a Wifom. Im not sure where to lean into.

Eh it's more of which of me/fg you ahve to sort out of who's scum more.

I can tell you right now FG will be voting me the next time he's in thread.

So say in theory if i'm town & FG is town -- then Val & BigT need to come in together to hammer FG to win right now say if they were the scum team.

now for theory for me!town one of a townie and the other scum partner need to vote in order for the scum team to win or both townies for that matter.

scum!FG we need either all three townies to vote for him or two townies & the scum partner needs to bus.

more than likely scum aren't going to bus when they are so close. the only time this theory is if there's a guilty then scum is gonna bus to the wall.

Yeah, there isn't a quick hammer. THat is odd.

But the other option could be Mala is the person, waiting on me to vote and then their partner quick hammers.

see above^

there isn't a quick hammer because not everyone has been posting at the same time.
for instance FG/Val/BigT haven't all posted w/in 10 mins of each other.

I will say when I was scum the last time against Val. I was waiting FOR days for my partner in ELO to come on at the same time to vote or me manilupating a townie to vote so i could hammer

[Malakittens]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89141

the game ^

[Malakittens]

going home UNVOTE: fg

no monkey business

[Val89]

So, again the reason why i ruled you out and BT as a team b/c I do think FG is flat out scum. Between his text book new-scum tells & his difference between the game I modded and here. I just think he's scum.

To be clear, your answer to the question as to why you were so confident me and BigT were not the team is because you so certain furtive is scum, based on the fact they expressed remorse for the death of abdbla, and didn't express remorse for the death of a townie in a game you modded, which from what you linked appears to be 2092?

I just want to be 100% clear that is what you are telling me, and I haven't misunderstood anything.

[Malakittens]

Yes

[Malakittens]

Again
It’s a textbook scum tell

It’s like an awk response in nature

I have done it a few times myself not realizing

[furtiveglance]

If the only criticism levelled at me is that I said "rip abdbla", I think I can knock this one for a home run. In Newbie 2092, we miscondemned Meg day 1, but I didn't push hard for that elimination. In this game I was convinced abdbla was scum and was wrong, so I commented on it.

It looks to me that Malakittens 1) decided they would push me today then 2) came up with a reason afterwards. I can't see a natural thought progression from Malakittens this game, apart from a lazy pocket of Val throughout the game which I guess explains me and BigTerp as Mala's scumteam.

It might be confirmation bias at this point because I really want to be right, but it looks to me that Malakittens has played a pretty coasty game, and suddenly sprang into life with an agenda at Elo.

As for Malakitten's voting shenanigans today, it just looks like a ploy to 1) create confusion/doubt about the possibility of a BigTerp/Val scumteam (which I think is Malakittens' partner paired with a townie) and 2) to appear town by being very outwardly nervous and jumpy about the consequences of this vote.

If I were to vote today, I would vote for Malakittens. But as I stated earlier, the best way to play here is to give Asphodelus the decision.

[Malakittens]

Right. Initial thoughts today:
1) Rip Corn, not too surprised about that kill.

2) Unfortunate way to end yesterday, but on the plus side we generated a lot of content which usually leads to better games for town.

3) The 'accidental' hammer is the elephant in the room. I had Asphodelus town/null before. I could potentially believe it was an accident, but mafia could make those kind of mistakes too. I don't want to feel like an idiot if we leave Aspho alive and she ends up being scum.

4) abdbla is scum and the partner is in the Take voters yesterday. I wanted abdbla yesterday and I still do.

VOTE: abdbla

Initial thoughts: apologies to abdbla. I was convinced they were scum, haven't really seen a town/town split day 1 before and I based my entire read of the game on a false assumption. My bad on that one.
As for where we are now: It doesn't look great for us. I have to make one correct townread out of three players. The good news is that for today, I just have to push one correct scumread. I can see either town!BigTerp or town!Val. I can't see town!Malakittens.

Main thing to note is that we shouldn't quickvote, as scum can then hammer.

[Malakittens]

Both these posts are scummy AF

Fence sit in going to vote the person with the most suspicion without trying to sort

The corn Nk wasn’t obv but w/e

And then the apology to abd

[furtiveglance]

I didn't sit on the fence about Asphodelus - they were firmly in my poe pre-claim.

[Malakittens]

The question is did you even try to see a town!Mala??
Because all you did to line up elims with my name on it until now

Either you are in a rose colored glasses when it comes to my slot

Or wanted to set me up for the last elim and protect your partner

[furtiveglance]

I'm tracking Mala/Val interactions and it looks like a textbook scum/town pocket. It doesn't really look scum/scum.

423 - Val is 'prob town'.

548 - Val is a 'homie', votes with Val.

590 - Val/Take was a 't/t tunnel'

685 - Val is 'more likely town'

745 - 'I really don’t think it’s Val. Maybe it’s my heart that doesn’t want it to be Val tho'. This is the most interesting to me - It's the start of ELO and town!Malakittens has a poe of 3 players. Immediately they are set on a pair of me/Terp. No rethinking, no ISOing. That's not how town play. It's also worth noting that this comment attempts to make us consider town!Malakittens being pocketed by scum!Val - I think deliberately.

This is done more explicitly in 778 - 'I really don't see Val as scum unless im just pocketed hardcore and/or biased'

Town!Malakittens wouldn't be as confident on this read, nor sustain it throughout the game even at Elo.

[Malakittens]

Riiiiiiight

Please note it’s after I called you out for being rose colored glasses and not trying to rethink I could be town and you could be wrong about that

Whatever I’m not in the mood

I was had a decent day at work and it went to trash when I got home <<

[Malakittens]

Town Mala definitely would

I have taken soul townreads allll the way down this far before

[Malakittens]

There is also a huge thing where I usually don’t make it to a final pairing as town ever

Usually I’m killed in the night during the early game.

This game is diff because of the claims

[furtiveglance]

The question is did you even try to see a town!Mala??
Because all you did to line up elims with my name on it until now

Either you are in a rose colored glasses when it comes to my slot

Or wanted to set me up for the last elim and protect your partner

I genuinely don't understand this post.

What are you asking me here?

[Val89]

If the only criticism levelled at me is that I said "rip abdbla", I think I can knock this one for a home run. In Newbie 2092, we miscondemned Meg day 1, but I didn't push hard for that elimination. In this game I was convinced abdbla was scum and was wrong, so I commented on it.

Mala initially said that was her "scumtell" back at 752, and your response was "In that game I was more accurate with my pushes." I'm sitting here asking myself why it is Mala is so sure you are scum she would come out and bet the whole game on it before changing her mind 3 hours later before even confirming what the vote was, on the surface, supposed to confirm, and I've gone and looked at 2092, and from what I can see, there was a single mislim D1 in that game before you were killed N2, and you were never on that wagon.

Why did you have such a meek response to that, and it took until I was clearly zooming in on that inconsistency with my 804 before you raised the obvious objection to it? In your shoes, knowing we were in an ELO situation, I would be screaming "what are you even talking about Mala, I wasn't even involved in any mislim in the game you modded?!?!?"

I've getting serious cross-bus vibes from what looks like scum theater to me. I know not everyone plays the exact way I do, but the reason I was holding off voting Mala is because I don't want other players like Italiano and abdbla coming back in post-game and being cross with me for having rushed into a loss without being sure, and Mala wants me to believe she went ahead and bet the whole game on furtive being scum on that flimsy justification that doesn't even hold on examination? I don't buy it. I think Mala had to

KNOW

furtive was scum, and the only way she knows that with certainty is if he is her partner.

Aspho, I really think you should rethink your BigT read here. I think BigT is the remaining VT.

[furtiveglance]

Sorry to hear you had a bad day.

[Malakittens]

Scum here:

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=89308

Didn’t make it to elimination round.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89141

Made it to elimination round ^

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Made it to elimination round ^

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88500

Town^ also died before elimination round and took a scum souls read on a player to my death

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=88401

Scum didn’t make it before elimination round

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88375

Town^ I yeeeted myself out in D1 lmao

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87795

Town died early

[Val89]

To save me going through each, do any of those games involve a town!Mala gambling the game early on a soulread in ELO?

If not, does such a game exist?

[Malakittens]

Everything else is after 2 yrs old lmao

Sorry my friend did an emergency call bc she needed to know if she needed to go to the hospital

I’m
Back now

For a little bit at least

[Malakittens]

Yep I soulread Mastina scum til I died

I even tried to beg Catboi to shoot her

I also soulread scum Pooky to the grave and they still didn’t kil him

[Malakittens]

But I haven’t made it to elo as town

I died in all of those games

[Val89]

Town!Mala has never made it to a single ELO in two years?

Why are you telling me this? I'm clearly not understanding something here....