Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[butterchurn]

vote nero w/me

I don't know if it's enough to completely erode my townread yet. I know that when I played scum against town Nero, he did a similar thing where he kept making points that weren't actually valid and twisting things yet he mostly ended up being right on the reads anyway. So, I'm not really sure that it makes him scum.

[Save The Dragons]

:<

[Nero Cain]

what am I twisting?

[The Keeper]

hey Butter, remind me what your catboi stance was D1

[Nero Cain]

why?

Why what?

Why would you vote me. Also, my list isn't based on # of posts. Though you prob could make the argument that more active players are more likely to be tow and less actives are scum lurking it out but I'm not sure why you thought my list was based on posts count, to begin with.

Low posters are a common push even if it an argument worthy of Tainted ???

and honestly, I just dislike your slot currently.

i'm scummy for pushing low posters? weak

I mean yeah, there are some lurkers but it's not like my suspicions lie solely on lurkers, and it's not like lurkers are immune from rolling scum pms. Your arguments are trash.

[The Keeper]

why?

Why what?

Why would you vote me. Also, my list isn't based on # of posts. Though you prob could make the argument that more active players are more likely to be tow and less actives are scum lurking it out but I'm not sure why you thought my list was based on posts count, to begin with.

Low posters are a common push even if it an argument worthy of Tainted ???

and honestly, I just dislike your slot currently.

i'm scummy for pushing low posters? weak

I never actually said that.
What I said is I just dislike your slot currently and that the low poster argument is a common one that Tainted ??? can use as ammunition.

I mean yeah, there are some lurkers but it's not like my suspicions lie solely on lurkers, and it's not like lurkers are immune from rolling scum pms. Your arguments are trash.

I have arguments?
I think you picked up x-ray specs instead of 20/20

[Nero Cain]

but I'm not the one that's making the argument that low posters are scum. I just happen to suspect some players that have low post counts. What do you dislike my slot for then?

[Cephrir]

votecount 2.2

Flavor Leaf (4) | Klick, tictac, Dunnstral, SCP 682
MegAzumarill (4) | Nashville Dreams, Flavor Leaf, Nero Cain, MonkeyMan576

MonkeyMan576 (2) | The Keeper, cassowary
Nashville Dreams (2) | butterchurn, Enchant

Nero Cain (1) | Save The Dragons
Klick (1) | Cat Scratch Fever
Nashville Dreams (1) | MegAzumarill

Not Voting | Sword of Ducks, MalcolmTucker, bnuuy, mastina, Menalque, Ydrasse

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-05-20 20:06:00).

[Save The Dragons]

Nero Cain (1) | Save The Dragons

what a handsome vote on mafia

[The Keeper]

but I'm not the one that's making the argument that low posters are scum. I just happen to suspect some players that have low post counts. What do you dislike my slot for then?

Your predessor apparently cheated a Lump of Coal in and your jumpiness seems kinda bad to me.

Not a great argument I know, I could maybe go back and dig around but 200+ pages, I'm going on my notes which are... minimal.

[cassowary]

I'll remember that for the future. I should have done more crumbs. Never crumbed before.

okay i forgive you i'm sorry for voting you

UNVOTE:

That I find FL probable to be mafia/malefactor but there's no point limming there when we can get much more info about the nature if the catboi kill based on kills tomorrow (determining whether the kill was likely a vig shot or a factional kill for instance)
FL can be tunneled town but I find it less likely since they wouldn't have made that much of a stink yesterday and just quietly shot if they were actually vigi. Course I could be wrong.

Effectively FLs claim gets a lot more or less believable depending on tonight's kill(s) and tomorrow nights kill(s)

Did flavor claim ungated vig though?

They claim to be able to kill if every monk is alive

I think 'FL mafia' seems more likely than 'FL town vig and also both scum teams failed to kill last night'? and catboi being a bookie on werewolf means very likely mafia could have a gated vig type role on their team as well even if FL is partially telling the truth. also the setup explicitly says to expect weird role alignments

so i'm gonna move my vote back over to flavor leaf for now :o

VOTE: flavor leaf

what am I twisting?

5680, 5687 look like you're trying to twist her words into making her actions a towntell when she was in fact arguing they were NAI (she was just saying the action itself isn't a scumtell for her)

[The Keeper]

Having gone back to your list and looked at the post counts it has a distribution I'd expect from Monstros Lung.
A bit of everywhere.
I even showed my working and asked if the numbers helped you at all.

[cassowary]

ngl I don't really get how the numbers are supposed to help

[butterchurn]

what am I twisting?

5680, 5687 look like you're trying to twist her words into making her actions a towntell when she was in fact arguing they were NAI (she was just saying the action itself isn't a scumtell for her)

Yes, this.

[butterchurn]

hey Butter, remind me what your catboi stance was D1

Started as a townread, then FL's case convinced me that there were some valid things to scumread, generally didn't like his case on FL and thought he had scum motivation behind it, and thought his responses to people like me and Malcolm were suspicious. And yet, despite all that, I was fooled enough by his tone to not be confident in a scumread. By the end of the Day, I had him on the scum side of null, but not by a lot, there was still too much that I personally read as town even though I could understand the reasons for scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

VOTE: FlavorLeaf

[Flavor Leaf]

viewtopic.php?p=10854444#p10854444 - This is the game that I pulled the gambit as town saying I was a Day 3 IC. Nobody believed me there. I was a 1-shot Vig, held my Night 1, and I shot scum Night 2, then I got pushed as scum killing my own partner.

viewtopic.php?p=11204754#p11204754 - Here is Detective Penguin, another game I claimed Day 3 IC as a Vigilante.

viewtopic.php?p=13354434#p13354434 - Here's where I say this game that "I'm gonna pull from the Old FL handbook....I'm a Day 3 IC."




viewtopic.php?p=12257454#p12257454 - A vig game of mine where I replace in Night 1, and hit scum Night 1 also, this one I didn't get a chance to say I was a Day 3 IC because I came in during the night and used the shot.

[Flavor Leaf]

gated vig type role on their team as well even if FL is partially telling the truth.

Here's the thing, if I was a Vigilante as scum, I never claim Vigilante as scum. I don't claim my real role as scum like ever.

[Dunnstral]

Look - we will have FL shoot mastina tonight

That is how we will prove it.

OK?

They spent hundreds of posts trying to eliminate the beloved princess instead of shooting her

[Flavor Leaf]

viewtopic.php?p=10879694#p10879694 - this post is from the game after I initially claimed Day 3 IC as a vig in, when we got to Day 3, the only death was on a scum member, meaning my vig shot was the only kill that night as well. just like here.

and this is how scum reacted towards me. Seem familiar?

They also went on to call me scum who shot my own partner.





These 2 below are scum's reaction to my Day 3 IC claim on the same page I did it.

viewtopic.php?p=10854453#p10854453

viewtopic.php?p=10854546#p10854546

[Save The Dragons]

dunnstral is town

FL is a mislim i think

VOTE: Klick

[Flavor Leaf]

Look - we will have FL shoot mastina tonight

That is how we will prove it.

OK?

They spent hundreds of posts trying to eliminate the beloved princess instead of shooting her

I spent like 2-3 pages max trying to eliminate Mastina, what you talking about.

[Save The Dragons]

but if anyone ever wants to join me on Nero slide into my dms baby

except don't do that that's cheating

[Flavor Leaf]

viewtopic.php?p=10879694#p10879694 - this post is from the game after I initially claimed Day 3 IC as a vig in, when we got to Day 3, the only death was on a scum member, meaning my vig shot was the only kill that night as well. just like here.

and this is how scum reacted towards me. Seem familiar?

They also went on to call me scum who shot my own partner.





These 2 below are scum's reaction to my Day 3 IC claim on the same page I did it.

viewtopic.php?p=10854453#p10854453

viewtopic.php?p=10854546#p10854546

"VOTE: FL
I'm a simple person- I don't see the promised D3 IC flip, I don't believe a word he says, and I don't buy his "choose 2 out of 4" solve.
I have never played a game where it was ALLEGEDLY this 'easy and simple'."

This is how scum talk to townVig me, and there's proof there in the link in my quoted post.

[Dunnstral]

butterchurn
SCP 682
catboi

that means there is 6 scum in.


Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
Klick
Menalque
Ydrasse
cassowary
mastina


monkeyman?


which means 5 of the people I find scummy are town.

mena is being a useless lurksack and doing nothing but whining about being scumread which is a bit lame but he's 50% less likely to be scum I think.

Ducks could be town I guess? or at least not mafia. My big issue with him was that he referred to bnuuny as "us" and town reading her. I felt like bnuuny was doing alot of active lurking in this game.

my Tucker suspicion is just that I don't remember anything he's done. I'll reread him and update at some point.

And MM is solely b/c I am worried that the guilty is an attempt to save Meg today.

If I remove these 4 which I'm less suspicious of I'm left with


butterchurn
SCP 682
catboi
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
Klick
Ydrasse
cassowary
mastina

which is still 1 too many but I feel pretty good about this.

Why am I scum?