Mewbie 2094 -- GAME OVER

[syugar]

sometimes I feel like I'm beefing the entire game aha

[Malakittens]

Votecount 1.16

the worst: (1) catboi
Catboi: (1) goodmorning
Cat.jpeg: (1) Bellaphant
Tidus of the X: (3) the worst, syugar, Lukewarm

Not Voting (3): Tidus of the X, cat.jpeg, Takemikazuchi02

With 9 alive it takes 5 to Eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2022-05-10 10:20:00)

[the worst]

Plus cat + t02 being likely scum while having no reads is, like....interesting. I feel like they're probably just the players with the lowest presence tbh.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: tidus e-1

[syugar]

nice goodnight

[syugar]

this d1 was a hell

[Cat.Jpeg]

I have gotten to Tidus's rep in, and I have found an equally bad reason to think that Tidus is town as that reason that I thought that cat.jpeg was town. These are the posts that caught my attention.

Spoiler:

What is up with that cake that is on some posts, I had a cake on my first post too, why?

Also, what's this ISO option on posts?

They both read as genuine curiosity to me that pings me as town.

Like, newbie scum, generally self conscious, sees something that they don't understand - I picture them seeking refuge in their PT where they would feel safe, and they can ask their partner, to avoid possibly looking dumb in the main thread.

I don't think this is a reason to townread someone at all. Didnt think about it when i asked but I would have definitely asked still if i was scum, probably even more so because of how innocuous it would make me look.

Also what does maj mean, i have guessed from context but would like to make sure I have the correct definition. I will be making a lot of posts soon, it will take a while though but most of you are sleeping so its fine.

[Cat.Jpeg]

I have gotten to Tidus's rep in, and I have found an equally bad reason to think that Tidus is town as that reason that I thought that cat.jpeg was town. These are the posts that caught my attention.

Spoiler:

What is up with that cake that is on some posts, I had a cake on my first post too, why?

Also, what's this ISO option on posts?

They both read as genuine curiosity to me that pings me as town.

Like, newbie scum, generally self conscious, sees something that they don't understand - I picture them seeking refuge in their PT where they would feel safe, and they can ask their partner, to avoid possibly looking dumb in the main thread.

I don't think this is a reason to townread someone at all. Didnt think about it when i asked but I would have definitely asked still if i was scum, probably even more so because of how innocuous it would make me look.

Also what does maj mean, i have guessed from context but would like to make sure I have the correct definition. I will be making a lot of posts soon, it will take a while though but most of you are sleeping so its fine.

[Cat.Jpeg]

Huh, it was ash, and their weird vote made me rethink but in hindsight I don't think it's that scummy. Maybe I should've explained more, but I find it interesting to see if other people can interpret others' responses/if they'd seen something 'scummy'.

I'm not tr-ing GM yet, which is weird, as they were lock town by page two last time.

@catboi, that post was plucked out of a hat: they all feel a bit like that. But thank you for considering it anyway, i have really liked your last few posts. I'm starting to agree that the game needs some impetus anyway.

@cst, do you have any town reads? Everyone is a weird pile of null for me but I think it's because people are being a bit cautious.

Cats iso about Bella

I'm sad noone has asked me who I was previously but am now not town reading. Or guessed.

If you wanted to tell us why didn't you say it earlier? Also like catboi I too assumed it was goodmorning.

suggests a slight scum read. I answered, no follow up

.

Bella 26, 27, 28 arent scum/scum interactions. Post 140 and 163 in regards to goldfish (and me) completely go against 182 and 3 most recent posts which i dont love, not finding much AI stuff, do you scumread t02?

Again, a bit of a vague scum read but only one question. Doesn't want to find out why I've made what looks like a contradiction.

I really don't like the way you position things in 'either/or' 'probably town' but wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't, 'any opinions" feels weirdly shady.

That's just how I talk, especially when im not sure, which

i wouldnt be suprised if

im

probably maybe and potentially

not

Just a response. Im not seeing a desire to work anything out, or anything concrete.

1. does not suggest a slight scumread (on you) (on GM if thats who you meant then it

kinda

does.) You did answer why you didnt say who you werent townreading anymore and i was satisfied with that answer as I could see you were trying to create discussion and see what other people were thinking and what other people thought you were thinking. I did not ask anymore about that point.
However I did answer the question you had for me at the end, you possibly didnt find it because i did not quote the question because i was responding immediately after you.

2. I do want to find out why you made a contradiction, that's why i pointed it out, i will ask directly in future. Why did you make, what looks like to me, a contradiction?
Also not a scumread, rather a complete null. Which it still is.

3. As mentioned in the post that's just how I talk, what do we work out? how i should convey the fact that im not sure about something or that i want any opinions without using the words 'probably' and 'any' as to not seem

shady

? There is nothing concrete to take from this. Also slightly hypocritical posts 183 and 231 have you talking similarly. As you can see I have omitted the word 'kinda' above to not seem shady, hope you are appeased. Sorry if that was petty.

Early in the game i was wary of you being widely townread and coasting by the rest of the game.

[Cat.Jpeg]

I don't think I like, quite get the cat.jpeg townreads if I'm honest? they do feel lost and they are posting a fair bit but like. i feel like what they are posting is kinda mostly safe. town is incentivised to find scum, and i'm not sure what they have been posting really does anything to accomplish that? on the other hand, i feel like cat feels like a lot of what cat is posting

looks

good. I think cat's exchange with goldfish felt really dissonant - for a convo where neither party was meant to townread each other, it felt like they found each other very quickly without anything really.. advancing at all.. i just feel like cat's entire read on goldfish has been quite surface and hard to align with how confident cat seems.

i feel very strange that it feels like so many people are quite comfortable on cat being town and i'm just.. not sure i see it? i just feel like cat is just kinda floating thru the game and i am aware that is consistent with lost town but i also don't really see the "town" part of cat's iso so far?

if i'm right on cat or if i'm wrong on cat, i still think tidus is independently scum. maybe vanity voting is the best move for me.

I was townreading goldfish at the time IIRC. I have no idea why people have tried to glean so much from my conversation with goldfish, it was inconsequential to me. I was confused when Catboi suddenly turned around and townread me but I knew others would question it. I dont know if its just me but i prefer analysing people from afar and their interactions with others, rather than with me.

[the worst]

oh no now I think you're town too

[the worst]

"Maj" is short for "(eliminate someone by) majority (vote)". On a lot of sites, when a day's deadline runs out without majority, the person with the highest votes is automatically eliminated by 'plurality'. It's less important on mafiascum because we let days end without an elim if there isn't majority. But the sentiment there is "I would like this day to end shortly".

[Cat.Jpeg]

@catboi, that's really not what I'm saying? I feel their whole vibe just lacks direction The stuff you occasionally pick out from him as being 'towny' doesn't actually feel like content at all. I guess I can see that pointing out that you are doing a thing you maybe identified as scummy at least looks like critical thinking but ....so what? To what end? Is there any follow up to see if you wall post more as town than scum? It lacks drive.


P-edit.... I kind of get what you two are saying but like....you seem to be holding fairly high standards for 'newb scum woukd do this' and letting a lot go under 'newb town'. *Shrug* maybe I'm a dick though.

It's possible I'm incorrectly making a lot of assumptions, but it's a really inefficient and un-intuitive angle to take as scum, and as a rule of thumb the population as a whole rarely does this when they're scum (lists like 5 people to vote)

If Tidus isn't scum, the worlds I think are viable at the moment are worst/goodmorning, worst/catboi, or one of worst/catboi/goodmorning being partnered with Lukewarm

Would like to put these posts next to each other (i know its not quite the same thing but still, 5 people possibly scum). Ftr I townread syugar right now (not exactly for what is above), i showed some resistance to them earlier because like bella I didnt like the widely accepted unjustified townread that was forming. Their posts make sense, come from a town perspective, and are helpful.
As for me listing 5 people who I didn't mind get getting out, i stand by that post, bella, GM, and catboi were nulls but would give good info, tidus and the worst i thought were likely to be scum. That's a lot of people but this game, as mentioned by many, is a lot of null.

[Cat.Jpeg]

oh no now I think you're town too

The toxoplasma gondii effect

'new research raises that question, finding that the parasite Toxoplasma gondii, which lives in cats, actually makes cats attractive — rather than scary — to their natural prey (in this case, rats)'

[the worst]

I remember reading about toxoplasma gondii, great call.

it would be really weird to suddenly yeet catboi at the 11th hour right? Tidus is the right yeet right?
.....right?

[Cat.Jpeg]

Just know that you probably won't get very much information if I am eliminated, if we eliminate T02 or Cat.jpeg, even if whichever one is eliminated isn't scum, we get some information out of it due to their reads, and I would say there may be a good chance of either of them being scum

Information out of the flip, you know, like discrediting townreads if they flip mafia and strengthening them if they flip town

I do think after someone flips scum something can be gained from their reads, but if they flip town i dont think you should strengthen townreads or hold their opinions as more correct. I dont want to be the one to hammer you but

intent to hammer

[Cat.Jpeg]

:lol: I remember reading about toxoplasma gondii, great call.

it would be really weird to suddenly yeet catboi at the 11th hour right? Tidus is the right yeet right?
.....right?

didn't see this, I dont love the tidus push as much as i wish i did and think they might be town although there are good reasons for the scumread. Though if no tidus i would prefer to go for you...

[the worst]

I think getting a claim from tidus and a response to a few questions (mine are my fav so I'll quote them below) would be kinda ideal

Just know that you probably won't get very much information if I am eliminated, if we eliminate T02 or Cat.jpeg, even if whichever one is eliminated isn't scum, we get some information out of it due to their reads, and I would say there may be a good chance of either of them being scum

Could you expand on any/all of

- why t02 is scum
- why cat is scum
- what actionable info do you see us getting if we flip t02 (just one example would be rad)
- what actionable info do you see us getting if we flip cat (just one example would be rad)

[Cat.Jpeg]

Just know that you probably won't get very much information if I am eliminated, if we eliminate T02 or Cat.jpeg, even if whichever one is eliminated isn't scum, we get some information out of it due to their reads, and I would say there may be a good chance of either of them being scum

Information out of the flip, you know, like discrediting townreads if they flip mafia and strengthening them if they flip town

I do think after someone flips scum something can be gained from their reads, but if they flip town i dont think you should strengthen townreads or hold their opinions as more correct. I dont want to be the one to hammer you but

intent to hammer

I plan to wait on the hammer for 22hrs ish, to be clear.

[the worst]

I'll be asleep at some point but will be back within 12 hours from now.

[Bellaphant]

@catjpeg, I feel like you are picking at details rather than at my whole purpose: that's there no drive forward from you. I'll respond to what you said, though.

With the goldfish posting, that's just how I play,.so I really liked the vibe of that posting. I read backwards, I don't town read aggression, etc. It doesn't necessarily mean that having those thoughts make you town. It's also not hard to fake - I would make the post about day one needing to be short as either alignment. I still think the chat between you looked odd..

I do use maybe, kinda, a lot. It does tend to get me scum read but I also want to drive things forward, ask questions, give clearer opinions.

P-edit ugh you actually might be town. If you are town I don't like catboi's response to my initial Sus on you.

But I'm also low-key Sus of the worst, who also is talking about yeeting catboi. Huh.

[Takemikazuchi02]

@Tidus

claim role.

[Bellaphant]

I didnt have a lot to base stuff off but the wallposting after at the start catboi said wallposting gets scumread I thought was townie because why would scum want to do that.

To be clear, I wasn't saying that wallposters get scumread. I was saying that they drift away from wallposting because they find people tend to ignore posts that are too long. Sucks but it happens.

(I again though feel like this is a really towny thought from .jpeg?)

VOTE: catjpeg

I have tried really hard to see your posts coming from town and I just can't. Why would want to eliminate slots generating content? Like...I think catboi said how anti town that was. I don't think we gets tons of 'help' elim-ing just one of catboi and GM, just based on them cross scum reading each other, it feels a bit like lining up Lims to buy into that way or thinking. (Also can we be aware of the outdated term)

You aren't trying to sort me either. Just...nah.

?_?

Having a disagreeable idea does not make cat.jpeg scum.

Just for clarity this is the post about jpeg that I hate.

[Bellaphant]

Like, I push on jpeg, catboi chimes in sayingns very basic statement is town - no, catjpeg checking meta and backing themselves up would be town, and then misreps my issue with him entirely. Jpeg doesn't think my issue is him having a 'disagreeable idea'. If jpeg flips town this feels really white knighting.

[Tidus of the X]

@Tidus

claim role.

Town vanilla(first time being vanilla btw)