Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

a miller is explicitly a member of the town faction. If you are a miller you will be the same faction as me and if you aren't then you are scum.

[MonkeyMan576]

What post did he claim miller in?

[bnuuy]

a miller is explicitly a member of the town faction. If you are a miller you will be the same faction as me and if you aren't then you are scum.

This is true in a regular normal game (I learned this the hard way)
This is not a regular normal game
Iirc there was a mafia miller in the last run

[Nero Cain]

I'm coming around on CSF and thining that maybe I'm just wrong here and that YD should just cop me and Dunn but it still irks me that a claimed miller is doing like nothing this game.

[Nashville Dreams]

It's pretty clear that Hirsute does not interact and it's curious why Ydrasse automatically assumed that it would.

I had the same assumption. So I want to verify. No harm in it.

~Titus

[Nero Cain]

If he investigates guilty to seers and parity cop isn't a seer does it not stand to reason that he wouldn't investigate as a guilty since YD isn't a seer?

[Dunnstral]

a miller is explicitly a member of the town faction. If you are a miller you will be the same faction as me and if you aren't then you are scum.

That's not what it says though

passively returns an

unfavorable result (i.e. Guilty)

if investigated by a

Cop

.

The questions become:

1) Does an unfavorable result (of which 'Guilty' is merely one example) involve messing with a parity cop

2) Does a parity cop count as a "cop" for the description of the miller

I think that technically both of the above are true, but it is due to poor wording of the miller role pm. It should in fact be something like:

You investigate as "GUILTY" if investigated by the role named cop

If he investigates guilty to seers and parity cop isn't a seer does it not stand to reason that he wouldn't investigate as a guilty since YD isn't a seer?

Yes, that's what I just said.

[Dunnstral]

is there a concrete case laid against dunnstral somewhere that he ignored

Why is Dunnstral ignoring the case part of your question?

because he didn't really ignore the case against him in the game i linked and i am trying to compare the two

Also no, there isn't and nobody else is going to answer you

[Nero Cain]

is there a concrete case laid against dunnstral somewhere that he ignored

Why is Dunnstral ignoring the case part of your question?

because he didn't really ignore the cahe didn't respond to se against him in the game i linked and i am trying to compare the two

he didn't respond to 6505

[Dunnstral]

I also didn't like how when I called out Klick in 5232 he responded by asking me to explain my scum read on him which I took as him not liking that I called out Klick.

I called you out for your lack of read every time you showed up in the thread after having previously ignored my request for you to explain your read. It was because you showed up in thread without answering me previously, not because you were talking about Klick.

[Nero Cain]

ok

[Dunnstral]

dunnstral acted pretty much the same way and i was just as annoyed as nero is now

am I annoyed? maybe. It's not at all impossible that I'm sublimely scumreading Dunn more than I really am just b/c he was being pissy that I wasn't explaining my gut read on him and he was OMGUSing me which, in turn, made me want to scumread him more.

Let's go through this step by step

You are claiming that I am "OMGUSing" you. Can you substantiate that by pointing to where I have done that.

[butterchurn]

It's pretty clear that Hirsute does not interact and it's curious why Ydrasse automatically assumed that it would.

That wasn't my interpretation. I believe that's why she clarified, actually, and she was explaining why she clarified. Since "same alignment" is potentially ambiguous (for other people interpreting her claim) in the case of a Miller/Hirsute while "same win condition" is not.

[Nero Cain]

Why are you like...doing nothing?

[Dunnstral]

No Nero, answer my question or we are not continuing this conversation. Don't ask me another question to change the topic.

The currently standing question is:

You are claiming that I am "OMGUSing" you. Can you substantiate that by pointing to where I have done that.

[MonkeyMan576]

I've never heard of a interpretation where miller isn't part of town.

[butterchurn]

I've never heard of a interpretation where miller isn't part of town.

I'm not very familiar with Millers as a role, but based on my understanding of them, if she had just said "I'm a Parity Cop, and I check if two people are the same alignment", I would be unsure about if that interacts with Miller/Hirsute or not.

[Nero Cain]

You are claiming that I am "OMGUSing" you. Can you substantiate that by pointing to where I have done that.

We are OMGUSing each other. I had a gut scumread on you. You asked me multiple times why I was scum reading you, when I didn't respond you started to scum read me.

Are you disputing this timeline?

I'd argue that my previous gut scumread and then you scumreading me later is still an OMGUS.

You will argue that its not an OMGUS b/c "not answering a question is scummy"

My turn.

if scum are FL and I who are the other 6 and why aren't you mentioning them?

[Save The Dragons]

The first game featured a Mafia Miller.

this is literally in the opening posts

[Dunnstral]

Are you disputing this timeline?

Where did I ever say I thought you were scum?

[MonkeyMan576]

You could always verify with the mod to see what you come up as in a Parity Cop investigation.

[Dunnstral]

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[Dunnstral]

6261

[Save The Dragons]

well it's not going to be FL or nero so *new choice*

[Dunnstral]

You asked me multiple times why I was scum reading you, when I didn't respond you started to scum read me.

I find it hard to classify this as "omgusing" when you admit you are going out of your way to not answer me and hold unsubstantiated opinions

Yes, that is scummy, and I'd be on your case if it were directed towards another player.