Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Ydrasse]

it's a fringe case sort of deal

[Ydrasse]

I don't know why ppl sign up to play then don't care about the game. This is not the first time I've seen something like this said on this site.

i subbed in to fill the void that would have been left for days

[Dunnstral]

o

it felt important to distinguish like a normal parity cop checking alignment versus checking win condition because like

if i matched you to a werewolf in the former you'd match

instead i check for the latter and get different results

No I wouldn't

The only role that gets a negative result on me is a Seer

[Ydrasse]

o

it felt important to distinguish like a normal parity cop checking alignment versus checking win condition because like

if i matched you to a werewolf in the former you'd match

instead i check for the latter and get different results

No I wouldn't

The only role that gets a negative result on me is a Seer

what

[Ydrasse]

i'm going to be real with you idk what a seer is

[Dunnstral]

i'm going to be real with you idk what a seer is

Werewolf sided cop

[Dunnstral]

Or rather, a cop but for werewolf flavors. Determines if somebody is a werewolf or not.

Cops can get results on me normally, I'm only a miller for the werewolf side. You are a cop.

[Ydrasse]

huh

ok then

[Ydrasse]

huh

ok then

[Klick]

huh

ok then

[Ydrasse]

so true

[Flavor Leaf]

Parity Cop targeting Hirsute and a Wolf would still have not same alignment, because they aren’t.

Hirsute and town would get same.

Miller and Mafia would get different alignment.

Miller and town would get same.

[Flavor Leaf]

Parity Cop unless something specifically is done weird would not act like a Cop/Seer for other investigation, just like a Vanilla Cop would still get Vanilla on a Wolf Goon.

Those roles aren’t the same as Cop/Seer, and Parity Cop is not the same either.

[Nero Cain]

And it pointlessly outed themselves as a Parity Cop. It’s completely a scum cover move, that naturally makes people think she had to “check Catboi” so it naturally distances.

I mean, I agree but I've seen town do the same thing and unnecessarily out their role. Could she just be scum that's mimicking bad town play? Sure

As I said before, I could see it as a mafia action that was trying to see if you were bussing catboi. Dunno why she said that she thinks she has a guilty at day start.

[Flavor Leaf]

Parity Cop essentially is checking for the Color of the role itself. Say Werewolf is Yellow, Maf Red, Town Green, Malefactor Purple.

If you check 2 of the same colors, they’re the same, if different. They’re different. Full stop.

Millers and miller like roles do not change Parity Cop results.

[Flavor Leaf]

And it pointlessly outed themselves as a Parity Cop. It’s completely a scum cover move, that naturally makes people think she had to “check Catboi” so it naturally distances.

I mean, I agree but I've seen town do the same thing and unnecessarily out their role. Could she just be scum that's mimicking bad town play? Sure

As I said before, I could see it as a mafia action that was trying to see if you were bussing catboi. Dunno why she said that she thinks she has a guilty at day start.

It’s a combination. Yes, I’ve seen town for something like that before, but with the other 3+ reasons, it no longer comes from most likely town to me.

I look for the chain of actions, and sometimes a chain can be filled with tons of green links, one red link, can rust the others into turning orange and red.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also specifically don’t believe she did it as scum trying to make a bad town play.

It was not a bad scum play.

Her targeting Catboi automatically subconsciously puts it into the natural gamestate that Ydrasse investigated Catboi which is another layer of distancing.

[Ydrasse]

it's a good town play actually and no one understands my endgame

hehe

[Flavor Leaf]

And with the claim + distancing from wolf, it lets her naked vote constantly without repercussion because of the exact reasoning of “just town disinterested” which ties everything together.


This goes back to Norwegian as well, because I was beginning to read the slot prior to Ydrasse’s replace in.


CSF-Ydrasse are my stronger scum reads right now. I think CSF is Mafia and Ydrasse wolf.

[Dunnstral]

'Parity' is a modifier to Cop as well as being an established role, as explained on the wiki page for Parity Cop.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Parity_Cop

It appears as a role modifier on this page as 'parity' which redirects to Parity Cop:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _modifiers

Yes, a parity cop is a cop (it's in the name...!) and would get a false result on a miller. A macho cop would also get a false result on a miller.

A Vanilla Cop would get a result of "non-Vanilla" on a miller, because the miller page says that it does so.

A Vanilla Cop would get a result of "non-Vanilla" on a werewolf, because the Vanilla Cop page says that it does so.

[Dunnstral]

Parity Cop essentially is checking for the Color of the role itself. Say Werewolf is Yellow, Maf Red, Town Green, Malefactor Purple.

If you check 2 of the same colors, they’re the same, if different. They’re different. Full stop.

Millers and miller like roles do not change Parity Cop results.

Millers return an unfavorable result if investigated by a Cop.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mm, wow. I am wrong, and absolutely do not agree with that as the base.

Should be changed, because it’s just limiting variations.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve gone pages and pages back and forth since like 2015 talking about how I don’t think Vanilla Cop is a Cop just because it has Cop in its name.

Name could have literally been anything, it’s about function.

[Nero Cain]

tbh, the vanilla cop page hasn't been updated since 2019 so there's a chance that its not accurate. Also agree with Gamma's take that it might have singleball in mind.

I had felt like you were trying to just bullshit us here but there's a chance that you are just sitting there and going by what the wiki says and acting like it's a bible. Wich one could argue is scummy in and of itself.

Wolves always showing as a pr if checked by a vanilla cop just doesn't seem right and needs to be fixed after the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mm, wow. I am wrong, and absolutely do not agree with that as the base.

Should be changed, because it’s just limiting variations.

To be fair, I can’t imagine there’s been loads and loads of play with Parity Cop to the point it needed it, and would still be possible to change and variate but will confuse people.

It’s like how you can make Neighborhood a function rather than role title as a variant change, but it’s gonna confuse people based on black and white ness of the wiki, but just time and time playing naturally fixes it.