Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Dunnstral]

My belief is that in general mastina does not fake claim, regardless of alignment, except for in extreme circumstances. They claimed beloved princess? That's their real role.

this aged well

I seem to recall you had no counter to this except: "It could happen"

In which case I could point to numerous games where it did not happen and numerous games where it did, and her talking about it in mafia discussion

Besides, this doesn't fit with your narrative that I'm a werewolf anyway (which seems to itself be based on nothing, but it's a fact that mastina was not a werewolf)

Also. There's so much extra killing power in the roles from what flipped.

[cassowary]

also why did enchant move up in 6147

i dunno, gut read? i said in that post a lot of the reads weren't based on much

i don't like SRing people for lurking generally since i honestly tend to be lurkier as town than scum, and i think enchant ended up at the bottom of the first list kinda by PoE. and in the second one i felt like there were a bunch more people i was legitimately suspicious of for reasons vs just 'enchant is not saying a lot' which ehh

i dunno, i've found reading this game to be really hard due to the whole multiball thing, a lot of the stuff i often look for is kind of absent so my reads this game have been pretty gut-heavy which i normally don't like

u should be more curious why cass had enchant in bottom 3 and soft defended enchant when i tried to get their vote on enchant

your argument was literally a formal fallacy so i pushed back on it because it was a bad argument

i kind of hoped you would come back and make a better case to convince me by showing the thing was actually a scumtell for enchant but instead you just went NO YOU'RE WRONG which didn't exactly make me want to go along with your case

[Dunnstral]

and the monks can't be wolves?

Never accuse me of not understanding how roles work again

[Save The Dragons]

I seem to recall you had no counter to this except: "It could happen"

What a smart point brought up by a handsome gentlemen

[Dunnstral]

I would not give mastina such a fakeclaim either which

You replaced in after she had already claimed

[Nero Cain]

Wolf goons flips non-vanilla because the wiki doesn't spell it out for me!"-Dunnstral 2022

[Dunnstral]

Wolf goons flips non-vanilla because the wiki doesn't spell it out for me!"-Dunnstral 2022

I mean, that's true

[Dunnstral]

I'm not going to argue this again today though

[Dunnstral]

i kind of hoped you would come back and make a better case to convince me by showing the thing was actually a scumtell for enchant but instead you just went NO YOU'RE WRONG which didn't exactly make me want to go along with your case

This is fair

i dunno, gut read? i said in that post a lot of the reads weren't based on much

i don't like SRing people for lurking generally since i honestly tend to be lurkier as town than scum, and i think enchant ended up at the bottom of the first list kinda by PoE.

This doesn't really sound like a reason to switch to townreading enchant. Or did you think they were getting pushed by a bunch of scum

You said it yourself that Enchant does the same thing as both alignments, so why does them being lurky make them town here

[cassowary]

i don't think i ever really townread enchant, they just floated up to the bottom of null after being closer to the bottom

[SCP 682]

I would not give mastina such a fakeclaim either which

You replaced in after she had already claimed

oh lmao i actually thought i was in the game the whole time ngl

ig tbf pooky would give her such a claim

[Nero Cain]

or what if? Mastina has her own mind and can do things on her own instead of being told what to do by you or pooky? You just think everyone is below you.

[Dunnstral]

Klick, do you still think that Meg is town due to role reasons, in light of the 5 flips we just saw?

[bnuuy]

I don’t think mastina takes claiming advice from anyone
Also, Imma have a hard time stomaching the truthful role claim deal after that claim which was clearly designed to disincentivize voting her out over any kind of “truth”

[Dunnstral]

wait malefactor doesn't know who the scum are?????

They were also a 1-shot watcher, but nobody died during the first night and it is unlikely they got any useful information

It's possible that they though mastina was scum and that led to their play on day 2

Speaking of kills. There was no kills on night 1, and only 1 unclaimed scum kill on night 2. But each faction can shoot 2 times out of 3. We are missing a kill right now, and I don't really believe that the scum doubled up on either Mastina (who FL said they would shoot) or butterchurn (not seeing why both teams would shoot here)

[cassowary]

Side note: I'm not 100% sure I see why everyone is wagoning CSF, tbh.

Like, I get that Mastina defended CSF, but her CSF defense looked like this:

Also, I was apparently mistaken in my belief that FL was the main wagon, so I'm going to need to step up, because CSF is just town. Period.

CSF is a townread, and nothing today has weakened that read. Quite the opposite, in fact.

So the only wagon that I could conceivably be wrong on is Cat Scratch Fever, but basically every single slot I scumread is explicitly fine with Wagoning CSF.

I might be middle of the road reads-wise, but I am not going to have a 0% accuracy in my scumreads.

So with LITERALLY ALL MY SCUMREADS being okay with Wageningen CSF and LITERALLY NONE OF THEM DEFENDING CSF, there's a 0% chance of CSF being scum.


So, while I COULD be wrong here...I am not.

There's no nuance or possibility of doubt here at all, Mastina claims to have one hundred percent god-given certainty that CSF is town. Would Mastina defend a teammate this strongly as mafia? (Legitimate question.)

This kind of looks more to me like mastina trying to tie herself to CSF to pocket a town CSF or make CSF look suspicious when she flipped. And CSF was already under some suspicion, so her doing this intense of a defense would make her look not great if CSF flipped mafia. And we now also know CSF is not wolf. So I'm not sure why people think CSF is the best vote here.

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With regards to Meg on the other hand, Mastina seemed to kind of just slip in 'Meg is town' into her reads without really elaborating much:

except tictac/Meg cuz I don't remember any posts by either player(I've also got shit for memory)

tictac's looking like the same town tictac I've seen in my last two or three games with tictac.

MegAzumarill is similarly looking vaguely town to me.

To be honest the main reason Meg's not townier to me is that Meg's posts are so townie to me that it's keeping me from townreading Meg harder because I've not townread Meg this hard when MegAzumarill was actually town.

MegAzumarill and Toogeloo voting me is, like, expected behavior for them. They both have...low-effort playstyles, sheeping the largest wagon is totally within their town range.

Meg? Yes. It's town-indicative.

Toog? No, it's literally the opposite. Toog never makes that vote as town.

-{MegAzumarill, Nashville Dreams, SCP, Cat Scratch Fever, Menalque} are all town so the wagons on them suck.

She also kept Meg hovering around the middle of her reads lists. To me this looks much more like someone trying to cover for a partner without outright defending them (especially the 'I think their posts look really townie but I don't know if I should really trust them' thing) in 804.

So I think Meg is the better wagon here.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[MegAzumarill]

I can't be partnered with Mastina

[cassowary]

nvm i am a fool

UNVOTE:

[cassowary]

i still don't think csf and mastina are partners tho

[MonkeyMan576]

Why can't you be partnered with Mastina?

[SCP 682]

or what if? Mastina has her own mind and can do things on her own instead of being told what to do by you or pooky? You just think everyone is below you.

no i think i make very effective scum plans and have proven my skill several times at this!

[Nero Cain]

as ppl have mentioned, Mastina claimed b4 you replaced in. So that argument is pretty flawed.

[Nashville Dreams]

While hunting one faction is great, let's look at scummy slots and then see if they can be either faction unless eliminated as one or the other.

[MegAzumarill]

Why can't you be partnered with Mastina?

I'm a mason as confirmed by 3 people. It's impossible for me to be mafia

[MonkeyMan576]

So you’re a wolf?