Mewbie 2094 -- GAME OVER

[syugar]

I scumread bella because of process of elimination. She and GM are the only people who dont seem towny to me. There's not a lot I can point to and say look at how scummy this is but theres also nothing that I feel she would say only as town and not as scum. Thats why I asked people why they townread bella but no one responded. I also scumread her as shes the only person I can partnered with GM. I scumread GM more than anyone right now though.

fwiw if you somehow get JK cleared tonight I'm willing to reconsider my Bella read, I'm running out of ideas.

[Malakittens]

Votecount 3.05

syugar: (1) goodmorning
goodmorning: (2) cat.jpeg, Takemikazuchi02
cat.jpeg: (1) syugar

Not Voting (3): bellaphant, catboi, Lukewarm

With 7 alive it takes 4 to Eliminate.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2022-05-27 07:32:00)

[goodmorning]

Cat is looking more townish again I think. 926 and the posts leading up to it look like Town happy with a solve rather than Scum pointing it out.

What does this even mean?

Also I want to pint out mafia would have known we had just one pr and it was a jailkeeper from the start of day 2 because they knew we were in the C column and there was a protective role. Idk if that helps with anything but im glad we didnt claim yesterday.

What makes this "Town happy with a solve" vs "scum pointing it out?"

Town and scum would both know it at the point that they made that post. Its not even a solve

Well, no, it's not literally a solve, it's a "yay, we know what the setup is now", but solve is quicker to write. Scum would have known the setup already (as Cat points out), and this feels like genuine new excitement which Scum would not have. I also don't think that newer scum would necessarily want to draw attention to what the scum would have known at any given time.

I found something interesting while skimming through the thread. At the end of day 1 652, gm miscounted the votes and dropped what he thought was the hammer vote on tidus(Tidus already got hammered at the time)
This means that 5 of the 6 uncleared players are involved in both miselim wagons.

You... might want to read my post again if this is what you think happened. I quite literally said I was voting just in case there had been a miscount, not that I thought that was likely.

I want everyone to share their reads list.
This day is crucial and we need to share info and discuss as much as possible so don't slack off please.

Next post will be one.

That's fine, but it's the little words that matter. You said is 'suddenly' had this read on catjpeg, but it's not new at all - words like that feel very scummy to me. You call it 'suspicious' but I've just shown to what my progression is and you haven't really responded, just defended yourself.

I don't know that I actually have a comment, lol - I appreciate the clarity? I think it generally makes sense and is plausible you're town just getting paranoid here.

I was only going to respond to questions/requests directed at me/everyone, but I really don't like this post. It very much feels like a setup for the "I forgive you for scumreading me, I know you have to (because you're scum and I'm now scumreading you)".

This is a shamelesspledge, was dealing with a migraine all day yesterday but hope to be able to catch up tonight.,

ur literaly dying...

I'm sorry that my inability to look at screens for more than 5 minutes inconvenienced you! Next time I'll just tell my brain not to do that and I'm sure it'll work!!

[catboi]

I was only going to respond to questions/requests directed at me/everyone, but I really don't like this post. It very much feels like a setup for the "I forgive you for scumreading me, I know you have to (because you're scum and I'm now scumreading you)".

Okay, sure thing

[goodmorning]

Im not going to dignify that with a response!

Readslist, very generally:

Town
T02- confirmed by un-cc'd claim
Bella - has shown clear and transparent thought processes throughout the game, none of which seem manufactured
Luke - has been obviously attempting to solve the game, particularly today; minor issues regarding the massclaiming stuff but I think it was well-meant
Cat - started to drop some newbTown tells, including the one I pointed out earlier; while their wishy-washy reads tend to look scummy, those also can be an indication of lost newbTown
catboi - I don't know anymore; I think one way then I think the other way. Fairly sure we've been of opposing mindsets and moods throughout
syugar - has a lot of posts but not a lot of content; as soon as he started being widely townread, he stopped trying altogether. His early posts today looked very much like someone trying to set up against a soft guilty
Scum

If anyone wants any clarification, let me know.

[catboi]

I find it hard to believe you think both scum had you at E-1 and neither took the opportunity to hammer you

[catboi]

Like, this is...really underwhelming for Day 3.

[Bellaphant]

I'm good to hammer if noone has anything else

[Bellaphant]

GN is not -1 are they. Even so

[Lukewarm]

Yeah... I'm not impressed.

VOTE: goodmorning

That's back to e-1

[Lukewarm]

My feeling at this point is that it's an intentional stall from gm. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen it. Make people wait and force them to make a decision with less time to think it over.

This line about intentional stall reminded me that gm was the one who held up the mass claim as well.

Looked back how they reacted when we popcorned to them and

I am still very anti massclaim (it clearly will provide more info to Scum than it will to Town) but will bow to the will of the 3 UTs - let me know if you're still inclined to see this through or not.

Mass claim started once the majority to it (You, me, the worst, bella, T02 all said we should do it by the time we started). Which could have been intentionally drawing out the mass claim as well to the point that we gave up on it. Like, who were they even waiting on to tell them that they should do it at that point? No names were given, and over half the player list had already said that we should do it

Even if you cross reference it to their reads list they just put out

Town
T02-
Bella -
Luke -
Cat -
catboi -
syugar -
Scum

Their top three town reads were all pro-mass claim. So who are the 3 UTs that they are waiting for? Why is it 3? Why not name the names of the people who could sway them?

Kinda missed this at the time, because I was more focused on the worst's vt claim - but I could totally see this as just trying to get us closer and closer to deadline before the claim has gone through, making it even harder for us to settle on an elim that phase.

[catboi]

I want take to check in before any hammer but otherwise don't have a lot to add.

[syugar]

VOTE: goodmorning

[catboi]

if this reds jail syugar please

if it's town decide at random

[catboi]

cannot express regardless of your dissatisfaction with the game how suspect it is to hammer before letting the conftown post again

[catboi]

personally i'd say flip a coin between syugar and cat.jpeg if town but that's just me you're free not to trust me

[catboi]

cat.jpeg has had good tone in her responses but I'm worried she's thread avoiding

[Cat.Jpeg]

hi

[catboi]

interesting timing

[catboi]

anything to add?

[Cat.Jpeg]

Reads, since I asked, on a spectrum from most Town to least (gaps indicate gaps in level of seriousness):

syugar

Numbers

Bella
(1/2 gap)
Goldfish
T02
Cat

Ash

catboi

Readslist, very generally:

Town
T02- confirmed by un-cc'd claim
Bella - has shown clear and transparent thought processes throughout the game, none of which seem manufactured
Luke - has been obviously attempting to solve the game, particularly today; minor issues regarding the massclaiming stuff but I think it was well-meant
Cat - started to drop some newbTown tells, including the one I pointed out earlier; while their wishy-washy reads tend to look scummy, those also can be an indication of lost newbTown
catboi - I don't know anymore; I think one way then I think the other way. Fairly sure we've been of opposing mindsets and moods throughout
syugar - has a lot of posts but not a lot of content; as soon as he started being widely townread, he stopped trying altogether. His early posts today looked very much like someone trying to set up against a soft guilty
Scum

There's not much change in these reads except people died and TO2 was made conf town. Except syugar who it looked like they were confident in being town above everyone else. Now GM has a vote on Syugar and is scumreading them while suygar was trying to kill me before GM for, what I consider to be, nonsense reasons. They could be paired but I think bella is likely too.

[catboi]

okay

do you have thoughts on syugar hammering after i said i wanted to wait for t02

[Takemikazuchi02]

Why did you hammer? We still had time to talk.

[Takemikazuchi02]

I'll add this before the day ends. I think Luke is town.

[catboi]

please state your jailkeeper target for tonight if gm is scum before the thread is locked

if she's town then keep it a secret