Also, mass claiming is not always good. It is specifically good when you walk into day 2, and no scum have been killed and no prs have been killed. Which, is the situation that we are in.
In post 797, goodmorning wrote:I think you may have missed saying something you meant to say in the above post, or did you accidentally quote 686 there?
It was mainly to pull attention to the way that you interacted with me scum reading you. You didn't seem to think its scummy for me to scum reading you either.
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No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
I don't know, we have too many people lapsing into prod range and nothing happening. I don't like rereading but I might try to look at the game with fresh eyes tomorrow if I can actually focus.
This has been a problem the entire game. Normally I'd just start wagons the non-active people but this has been happening so much this game that I can't see it as something alignment indicative.
In post 815, Cat.Jpeg wrote:We can still stop it for now. I think most people assumed the worst would claim vt after they ignored the talk about them soft claiming.
I am still very anti massclaim (it clearly will provide more info to Scum than it will to Town) but will bow to the will of the 3 UTs - let me know if you're still inclined to see this through or not.
That said, at 2.5 days remaining I'm also not sure there's really time for it.
In the meantime:
@Luke 805: I'm not sure I understand your point. It's not automatically scummy for someone to scumread me, I'm not [player name redacted for obvious reasons]. Did you want me to fight with you? I'm not really in the mood for that atm.
I went back through his iso, and I am having a hard time seeing the worst plays from the pov of a VT.
His "anyone is better then me" approach to the game, and the post about not hammering him without a claim made me feel like he had to be a pr or scum, and apparently he is not a PR. I don't think that you accidentally get half the lobby to think that you are a PR, so I think that it was deliberate to try and get through day 1.
In general all of his reads/votes look like they are chosen just based on what looks like it will go through. Here are his votes in, reverse order:
1) Goodmorning
He votes good morning in 688. this comes immediately after I suggested we push GM and catboi votes. This is a 180 of his read of GM.
The most recent post he made about goodmorning prior to that was 407, where he was town reading them (and has been for a while. expressed a town read in 331, 322)
Spoiler: every post about gm prior to his vote there
In post 116, Cat.Jpeg wrote:I think I need to read some ISO's but right now tentative TRs on Goldfish, Goodmorning, and Notajumble (though i would like them to post some more)
pretty keen to hear more on why you townread any of these 3? I can see one of them kinda
In post 116, Cat.Jpeg wrote:I think I need to read some ISO's but right now tentative TRs on Goldfish, Goodmorning, and Notajumble (though i would like them to post some more)
to elaborate, Goldfish seems town to me due to how little she has posted, as town and mafia she usually posts a lot so its odd in general she isnt posting as much but I do feel its a town thing because as mafia she would probably be trying control the game a bit more and subtly buddying people.
goodmorning combatively pointing out how being combative isnt a town tell seems townie though might just be a play. Also something about their wallposting feels towny
With NotAJumble honestly i just have a vague town vibe so far.
So I know this isnt very solid but oh well.
what are you seeing in goodmorning which makes you think their motivation is to find town and not to undermine people accurately townreading each other? There's a dissonance between "I'd expect goldfish to be trying to steer this game" and "goodmorning is town for the way they're steering this game" - I'm not sure I see why you think the way goodmorning is tackling this game is towny?
I also kinda like goodmorning btw I'm just left a bit confused by your townread there
NAJON + goldfish reads are fine
In post 331, the worst wrote:the worst
Bellaphant
syugar
goodmorning probably?
catboi - town or cat.jpeg partner if powering thru
Takemi
Goldfish, cat.jpeg has one and I think it's cat.jpeg
tidus slot is probably just scum
In post 407, the worst wrote:maybe cat.jpeg and goldfish finding each other so quickly is a sign that there's some intangible towny energy from cat which i'm just not picking up. i also keep seeing posts from cat and thinking "huh wow i townread that" and then realising they were goodmorning posts..
He does not give any reason for why his read changed. Bella pressed him for a reason for the swap, and this was the only reason I have been able to find
In post 701, goodmorning wrote:I understand where catboi is coming from already even if it's a very misguided place.
Also, I thought I was your top scumread yesterday given you did nothing but votepark me yesterday? And I haven't even explained my vote?
this really concerned me as well. the "oh I reread catboi and other than tone all of his content seems fine~!!" isn't really consistent with a read re-evaluation from someone who voteparked you for the entirety of d1.
this one
I'm also holistically concerned that GM's entire read trajectory this phase is "my wagon is suspicious, let's vote the lowest hanging fruit from it" but that's hardly ground breaking.
EXCEPT, the thing he is calling scummy is something that happened after he voted, so it simply cannot be the reason he vote there.
The worst was scum reading catboi for a while before this one. However, the vote did not come until it looked like he might have support. It comes 1 page after I called catboi scum. And, it also appears that his read completely dropped once more people started town reading catboi.
4)Me
Votes in 609. The most recent vote in the game before that was T02 voting me in 592. And, like catboi, this read has completely dropped. However, it seems like it dropped in response to me pushing him, and him not feeling like he had a good rebuttal (781)
Like it really looks like he saw someone vote me, so he voted me. Then he saw me call catboi scum, so he voted catboi. Then he saw catboi vote GM, he voted good morning.
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
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