oh.. i feel like vals usually a bit like that. hes also very stubborn with thingsIn post 138, Datisi wrote:exactly what i said. if i feel like i'm reading your post and i am reading too many words that don't seem directly related to solving the game and are instead looking like they're filler, that's bad.In post 137, Val89 wrote:What exactly is it you mean by your eyes glazing over, with respect to both myself and lavarmanos?
you mean like when i asked you to explain how did you come around to something being definitely a scum thing for me based on nothing but your speculations about my personality? or like when i asked whether you are actually genuinely serious on scumreading me for voting a person fire also voted? when i tried to engage with you on why you were dismissing other people sarcastically when your points weren't clear? and you didn't bother to respond to any of that and instead went straight to attacking my reads? none of that happened?In post 148, marcistar wrote:hes not really trying to make me see the light of things
Askhually, 131 is before 133, but OK, your point that you were skeptical at the time datisi raised it but elected not to bring it up until I mentioned it again was because you assumed datisi would tell the truth about his own selfmeta is noted. I can buy that.In post 147, Dunnstral wrote:When you talked about it later, it was also shortly after Datisi brought it up again in post 133 response to post 82, and I was more skeptical about it at this point.
Alot of the posts you've been making i feel like are very nonwelcoming for responsesIn post 151, Datisi wrote:you mean like when i asked you to explain how did you come around to something being definitely a scum thing for me based on nothing but your speculations about my personality? or like when i asked whether you are actually genuinely serious on scumreading me for voting a person fire also voted? when i tried to engage with you on why you were dismissing other people sarcastically when your points weren't clear? and you didn't bother to respond to any of that and instead went straight to attacking my reads? none of that happened?In post 148, marcistar wrote:hes not really trying to make me see the light of things
I feel like you dont *actually* care about what I say, i feel like you're just being agressive to me even though im trying my best to read you... I dont really think you asking me questions is trying to make me see the light of things... why arent you trying to point out proof of why i have to be wrong instead? ^^ dismissing fire for not understanding a point you did not explain well, at bestIn post 86, marcistar wrote:I don't really see why it has to beIn post 84, fireisredsir wrote:and like ok fine you don't have the same meta read as i do thats not scummy, but... i also don't quite get it cause like... you're saying that you think he lacks confidence as town and that you think his mafia game is similar... so why is him not responding to votes more likely to come from scum than town? like whats the difference there that you expect to see?
it sounds like you're saying "you're like this as town" -> "i expect you to be like this as mafia too" -> ??? -> "so the way you acted makes you scum"
and i don't get what the missing step there isso, so, sohard for you to understand what im seeing... but okay!
datisi being town just seems more unlikely, i think theres more benefits for scum him to ignore the votes on him.. whats so hard to understand about it???
like, the confidence and annoyance you're showing about your reads grossly mismatch the actual confidence you should have and the quality of those reads.In post 133, Datisi wrote:and i would not do this as town... because...? like if you think i as town am insecure and doubting myself, why wouldn't i respond the same way as town? like, this whole explanation goes from how you've seen me as town, making conclusions about my personality, then attributing those conclusions to my scumgame as opposed to my towngame for ??? reasonsIn post 106, marcistar wrote:LIKE I THINK THAT BASED ON THE PERSONALITY I THINK HE HAS, I WOULD THINK HE WOULD THINK NOT REACTING TO THE VOTES WOULD BENEFIT HIM AS SCUM. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BENEFIT HIM AS SCUM BECAUSE HE SEEMS LIKE THE TYPE TO BE A SLIPPERY SNAKE, AND NOT REACTING TO THE VOTES AND NOT MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT WILL MAKE IT SEEM LIKE HES COOL WITH IT, AND NOT MAKING A BIG DEAL OF IT = LESS SPOTLIGHT = LESS DOUBTING
saying i'm "hating" on someone because i said they might be scum 6 pages into a game is a little bit over the top, no?In post 148, marcistar wrote:i think ur hating on her for her basic personality
P. much agree with dat's points hereIn post 160, Datisi wrote:ALSO, the post where you criticize my reads
saying i'm "hating" on someone because i said they might be scum 6 pages into a game is a little bit over the top, no?In post 148, marcistar wrote:i think ur hating on her for her basic personality
and a lot of your points against me are "i don't agree here i don't agree there" and it's framed as if i'm scummy but why is having different reads scummy? like, the only instance where you actually explained why i might be scum for my reads is for my read on you, and i already said my problems with it so i don't feel like repeating myself but yeah
While you never said it, iirc the last phrase in your post gave that impression.In post 133, Datisi wrote:i can sense when i am being off beat. i was being off beat in the early game. and it's not like there has been any other content that people could be voting me for.In post 79, Meuh wrote:Attributing that reasoning to votes dropped with little to no explanation seems like a self-serving stretch.
Datisi acting as if it's surprising for people to be critical of him not engaging with the push rubs me the wrong way too.
i didn't say it was surprising. where did you get that idea?
Yeah, I mean, looking at it I kinda fiured there was no strong reason for the gorilla vote, but still, you picked someone who showed up, and put an RVS vote in a ood way to go, like, who actually thinks we get anything by pressuring Datisi in RVS? I think that entire wagon was dumb, and people lost our good opportunity to actually get something from the first wagon.In post 96, Gammagooey wrote:@Kovu - at the time I voted gorilla I had no read on them whatsoever fyi. Their posts this page especially are p. good so far tho. Also think that the amount of effort you seem to be putting into analyzing the first 3 pages of the game is prooobably overkill but that's mostly just my personal thoughts of what actually matters/what's actually alignment relevant being usually not distinguishable from just people being themselves this early on; as long as you're not committed to those being Important Reads 4 Life tho you do you though, it'll at least be useful for people reading you
And my friend. Who I SR the most, how could I forget you. you have not improved like at all, and I really wish more people would've put pressure here, but whatever. So first:In post 91, LavarManos wrote:Meh, I don't agree that it was a good post. I don't see why early bandwagon votes are that bad, but I do think it still is generally thought of as "scummy". So I thought Dunnstral was taking advantage of that to wk Datisi.In post 81, Kovu wrote:Why are you squinting your eyes at 50? It was a really good post, you just agree with the terrible 2 votes? Like, seriously, what do you think of Val and Tako.
For Val, nulltown maybe? Tako genuinely could be scum though. I can agree that the content is not great there.
I did not read the game. Or even you iso.In post 164, Kovu wrote:A good part of me wants to call Luke town for not knowing who I am tbh, cause I know someone in maf chat has said who I am, it's not hard to figure out, but then I think about it, and Luke says he looked at my "1 game, and I didn't out reads there" ok sure, but I definitely outed myself that game, so like, you didn't see that happen? but you read it? interesting... idk, it's not a solid read I'd die on, but found it worth mentioning.
Hello friend. I would like for you to not to do this.In post 152, Bell wrote:I’m ignoring most of the the questions (not that there are many) being thrown my way because they’re kind of meh.
...followed by 4 giant posts, some of which are critizing others for giant posts.In post 163, Kovu wrote:Yall talk way too much lol and they're giant posts...
You say this like there is something obvious those of us on the Datisi wagon are missing. For the benefit of those of us who aren't as intimately familiar with Datisi as you are, why do you say pressure there was pointless?In post 165, Kovu wrote:like, who actually thinks we get anything by pressuring Datisi in RVS?
I mean, I like to think mine are easy to read, and I try to make them clearly marked with who they're directed at, so I don't see the issue? You don't have to TR me No, like, do what you wantIn post 169, Val89 wrote:...followed by 4 giant posts, some of which are critizing others for giant posts.
Is this another one of those internal contradictions I kept getting told in other games I'm supposed to find townie, but I still can't bring myself to do it?
I mean, what kind of reaction do you expect Datisi to give? Cause I know I don't expect Datisi to really react to a RVS wagon where half the votes are just naked and saying nothingIn post 169, Val89 wrote:You say this like there is something obvious those of us on the Datisi wagon are missing. For the benefit of those of us who aren't as intimately familiar with Datisi as you are, why do you say pressure there was pointless?
Oh I know who this is... lmao ok, just cause Andante plays that way doesn't mean that's how Kovu plays... and honestly, I don't appreciate these negative posts towards me, like, both times you've addressed me they've been negative, I'm not sure what exactly I did to anger you, but can't we just leave the past in the past?? I was real excited for this gameIn post 171, Fey wrote:Kovu has a tendency to be self-contradictory and erratic a lot in play. It can be a lot to try to follow sometimes. Give them a few days to see what they do/vote/etc and judge from there.
