large normal 239. game over

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VOTE: Dannflor

As a psychologist I believe Schadd's fear of bees is actually a euphemism for his stance on work culture in capitalist societies at large.

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Ooo actually VOTE: mq.bosco

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Monkeymen aren't real.

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Crazy that 12 people have posted and only 2 are town.

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Maybe enchant too.

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Me and JV

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Bosco scum might make you town

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Potato

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I was gonna ask it as a general q but I guess I'll ask you directly carca. Would scum!you throw that bait out and immediately reel it back in by not scumreading over90?

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Nero what do you think about gamma?

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I speak through the potato.

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yeah, all those 3 scum in a 16 player is a really common setup. get real, NK15

This is funnier having been in an Nk15 setup like this.

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3in 16 holds more weight if enchant wasn't trolling about their hood. But it's just noise right now.

Weirdly though nk looks sketchy with a good and without.

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I won't vote him so early, but I'll scrutinize his posts more.

The more people post the more scumreads I have.

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town!nero doesn't "want to kill half the thread"!

Just on the basis that I know for a fact this isn't true I'm inclined to say this case has no legs.

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Idk how to quote from locked games but Find post 190 for reference

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The post only exists to paint Nero in a worse light with no elaboration or catalyst. Dare I say I think that's shade?

But yeah it comes off like "hey I think Nero is shady....so if anyone wants to wagon that for me, that'd be great."

Except it's not great.

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I will note I'm doing a lot of Nero defending and I don't even townread them. The slots coming at him are just being slimy.

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town!nero doesn't "want to kill half the thread"!

Just on the basis that I know for a fact this isn't true I'm inclined to say this case has no legs.

Idk how to quote from locked games but Find post 190 for reference

That game had more content, this game, not so much. You've played with Nero, do you townlean him right now?

I've already said I don't. But his alignment has little to do with the validity of your case.

and sort of a backtrack? Your case on me was meta and it's been proven wrong and no one besides Kitty is following it and now your case is that I haven't done enough. Where was that reasoning earlier?

Probably by your partner RC.

They quoted one thing "town!nero doesn't want to kill half the thread" and threw out the rest of what I posted. Uh uh

Well you've already cited a reasoning based in untruth so how much stock am I supposed to put in the rest of it with that in mind?

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Also ty Gamma.

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Uhhh what? We are playing Mafia.

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Uhhh what? We are playing Mafia.

If you don't townread Nero, then what are you doing trying to discredit and disprove suspicions going his way and pulling people away from pushing there. Even if null, the effort you went through to prove he is town just raises my antennas, regardless of his alignment.

You're assuming that you're just Town here (which I like ngl) but also that I know that and your bad faith argument still lands on Nero!scum. It ignores that fmpov you can just be scum pushing Nero and how you go about pushing a slot is also a way to sort you.

If you had lied about any other slot and I knew about it the outcome would be the same, I'd call it out as bs.

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Uhhh what? We are playing Mafia.

If you don't townread Nero, then what are you doing trying to discredit and disprove suspicions going his way and pulling people away from pushing there. Even if null, the effort you went through to prove he is town just raises my antennas, regardless of his alignment.

You're assuming that you're just Town here (which I like ngl) but also that I know that and your bad faith argument still lands on Nero!scum. It ignores that fmpov you can just be scum pushing Nero and how you go about pushing a slot is also a way to sort you.

If you had lied about any other slot and I knew about it the outcome would be the same, I'd call it out as bs.

Very fair, but here's the thing. You took one point, that I will admit to being incorrect on in the "town!nero never wants to kill half the list" and totally disregarded the rest of what I said. "Oh because this is wrong, everything is wrong as well" Like if I'm wrong, like you pointed out with the one post, why didn't you do it with the others. It makes me think you are selectively dissecting an argument with points you only want to talk about which scum like to do.

It calls into question everything else you built in in your case.

Also not all of it is provable/disprovable from my personal games or interactions with Nero.

Does scum!Nero patronize scumreads? Idk maybe. Does town!Nero patronize scumreads? Yes, I briefly blacklisted him for this specifically.

I don't know if he says he's town as either alignment or if that even means anything at all. Calling out answering for others is like ...maybe you have something there but Its not part of your case and more like a one off statement.

The rest is really nothing. In the sense that it's nothing alignment indicative but it's also not worth speculating on your alignment making those claims.

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Damn DV super snuck up into my townreads.

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DV, over90 (but in a weird way), potato, Italiano in town ranges over null.

Gamma and Nero are in weird spots. I want to scumread gamma but I don't think anything they've done feels like gamma!scum. I hate the taco wagon but gamma doesn't jump out as the scummiest vote. I had them as townish before the wagon though so ehh.

And Nero I'm only really sketchy on their Gamma read.

So to give more context to that I asked Nero about Gamma specifically because I thought there was either A.) Some partnery stuff afoot or 2.) That Gamma could be trying to pocket Nero

Nero scumreading Gamma off the back of it is surface level ok but came off as more game aware than I liked. The rest of Nero's is in a town enough spot though.

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DV talk to me about carca.

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I like 325 in a vacuum

But then there are posts like 220 that comes off as the kind of pot stirring meant to be divisive that I can see scum throwing out there.

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Nk's by a country mile.

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The sheeping, the lack of input, and the wagon you jumped from to get there.

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I hate the taco wagon but gamma doesn't jump out as the scummiest vote. I had them as townish before the wagon though so ehh.

can you elaborate on why you hate the taco wagon? are you reading the slot any specific way or are you more focused on the votes around it?

It's the votes and the swing once kitty started picking up heat. I don't have any feelings about Takos slot one way or the other.

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Gamma and Nero are in weird spots. I want to scumread gamma but I don't think anything they've done feels like gamma!scum. I hate the taco wagon but gamma doesn't jump out as the scummiest vote. I had them as townish before the wagon though so ehh.

Hate all of this it's such a fencesit

Fixed

Get all the way out of here. I'm undecided on 2 slots that have dubious connections but named 4 other slots as definitive reads. So dig a little deeper and explain why having null reads in addition to my townreads is A.) An issue and 2.) In any way scum indicative.

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Also shameless omgus VOTE: Dannflor

My DV read is kind of reinforced and for the same reasons he snuck into my townreads to begin with (his re evaluation of Kitty at the time) and kitty is prob town here.

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The taco wagon is gross and I don't want anything to do with it. But yes I am open to both not voting gamma and voting gamma. Null read.

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I thought it was a political answer angled more at guessing where I was going with the line of questioning. I had already thought it townie that Gamma decide to anchor themselves to you as early as they had before I asked you that question.

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Also shameless omgus VOTE: Dannflor

My DV read is kind of reinforced and for the same reasons he snuck into my townreads to begin with (his re evaluation of Kitty at the time) and kitty is prob town here.

out of the possible votes, Dannflor feels a bit odd rn

I think danns direct defense of Kitty is very slanted and aimed at getting a foothold in a game that's....not out of grasp but his start puts him a step behind. I'm seeing it very much as an approach I like to take when I rep into scum slots and try to ingrain myself in conversation. Also possibly gaining an ally.

You weren't able to see cheeky and I'd correspondence in FFXIV but that was the last time I got this feeling and it was wheme employing tactics I use specifically as scum.

I am very confident in this read so it's the best place for my vote.

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I thought it was a political answer angled more at guessing where I was going with the line of questioning.

why is a political answer instead of ya know, my feelings and thoughts?

Just the guy feeling I got with the answer.

I'll say in a similar vein to FL, when I ask questions generally I already have an expected outcome or multiple expected outcomes.

(E.g x as Y alignment will probably answer this question this way but as A alignment they likely answer along these lines instead.)

My question was somewhat loaded this way so it's possible it was unfair from the start. But I already know that and it's something I take into account making reads.

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Meh, it's a real world idiosyncrasy that carries over to my games. So I don't have a say in if it's good or bad I just make the best of it.

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The sheeping, the lack of input,

and the wagon you jumped from to get there.

Explain.

Following your scumread to a wagon isn't a good look. I already thought the kitty vote was showy but not in a way I can justify without context.

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I'd prefer dann but I'm fine with NK's wagon.

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Thoughts on dann?

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To the moon tako VOTE: Gamma

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If I turn up dead tomorrow, turbo elim Dann.

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Nero with the heat sheesh.

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Im not chopping that wall and the only thing that i really think needs any clarification is..

Ooo actually VOTE: mq.bosco

Bosco's question was very lamist at the time. Although i do think new scum are likely to make a post like that in rvs I backed off when i checked that was although they had signed up for a newbie game this was their first game on site -- so it got a pass for the time being.

other things I want to speak about are:

1) I think your scumteam is a weird place to land with my slot especially. Like writing off my pushback against Italiano's case as a strawman when I gave evidence that poked holes in it from the beginning is disingenuous. Considering you also agree that the case is not concrete and probably on town. though ive only really come around to nero!town recently.

B) That your scumteam are majority slots carrying the thread in terms of readable content yet the VC's look the way they do with all of the major wagons that have stalled out being on town from your pov. That just doesnt line up.

3) The funky Gamma progression, it seems like you read gamma negatively up until they tell me how to snip OOG quotes -- which is helpful but not in game terms. I fail to see how that would flip a read in any case so maybe there is more to it.

D) you did remind me the other issue I had with carca's posting which was the rolefishing, with my slot is the one that sticks out but I think there was another instance this happened. I remember making mental notes that it was something to keep a tab on but, goldfish memory.
Also the ignoring my question in 87 but its not super important.

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Here i'll try. Why should town!Gamma be scumreading you d1 Italiano? And why does Gamma townreading you right now still make Gamma town from your pov?

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We are doing gamma right now.

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We are at a point where a bunch of people are talking but the game is not progressing. That in mind im not keen on playing hot potato with the wagons and town should be looking to consolidate. Originally I voted Gamma because pressure is the most reliable way to read Gamma. The abrasive pushback is scum indicative for Gamma specifically. So is repping out under pressure but thats more angleshoot than meta i think

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VOTE: Italiano since we're still playing favorites with meta.

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No lol not what I meant. But this is well within gammas scum meta and bring ignored in favor of std. Which yeah this is within his scumrange but his town game as well.

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But like, an STD wagon is such a cop out and Italiano can't justify the vote from a game state perspective because scum can't be controlling the wagons via resistance AND simultaneously just not playing (std).

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Elsa Jay replaces gamma emerald

If you're miller claim it now VOTE: Elsa

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All this open cop talk feels like scum has a roleblocker.

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Day 4 of IVD talking himself into holes.

Elsa's luck with red role pms is unfortunate but a vague pr claim isn't enough enough to move me anywhere that isn't a dann (Titus) wagon.

Especially considering Elsa will claim as any alignment any role.

*I was joking about miller.

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Can I get a list of all claims?

Nero vaguely claims maybe not maybe pr
Elsa claims pr
Deas claims ascetic

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929 is good posting actually. I still don't buy Nero!scum here, but 929 looks townie.

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VOTE: Titus

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There's only 4 scum here

I see TMI.
VOTE: Nero

I don’t really think NK15 is scum anymore

This exchange pinged me to go back and look at DV's votes. Why would this post attacking Nero be enough to change a read on NK15? DV has largely played sheep on wagons in the game. I'm vaguely paranoid his NK15 vote was designed to protect Mala but not enough to push it. DeasVail sheeps a vote onto SirCakez wagon which is where my gut tells me scum are hanging out.

RCE immediately chainsawing that gives a red flag. RCE had just said there would be no jumping off Elsa but for a wagon on me. At first blush, that's fine as it indicates a scumread on my prior slot. However, there was no wagon on me to jump to.

Elsa could still be scum. I'm positive your slot is scum however. My working theory is that you're aligned and the Elsa vote was a spook vote that both dissuades further voting and plays to muddy an association.

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Scum!mala doesn't fit with scum!Titus so I'm not inclined to flip mala before Titus goes.

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I'm not active until Saturday at least. I think I was arguing earlier thatmala and Titus weren't aligned but I think I was confusing mala repping in for kitty and not replacing tako.

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Not to answer for Nero but I don't see why activity would equal a larger amount of townreads.

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I'm fairly familiar with Titus and generally find her easy to read as town which I'm not getting here. Activity is a poor way to read Titus in general since they are usually very busy irl. Plus day 1 is usually Titus' least impactful period in the game.

However better indicators are where and what Titus is pushing. Specifically troubling was her reasoning behind votes being vote analysis based. Titus is known for this yeah but the last...idk 3-4 times I've played with Titus!Town she's moved away from using it day 1 since there isn't any solid factual evidence to back the analysis up. So it's a red flag seeing her return to it here.

I could just be tunneling danns slot in general but I'm pretty positive Titus is red here.

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experience (the most active player is usually town)
but it can not work well with players like nero

btw, kitty, i think you should scumread std, what do you think?

Ok but what does Nero being town due to activity have to do with how many slots he reads as town?

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Scum hunting in the hood should be prevelant to the slots that are in the hood, sure. I don't really care about elimming there today. We've known about this pool since literally page 1.

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BS Titus. Give me an hour or so to get settled at home and I will get the receipts for:
-The numerous times I've correctly pinned you as town day 1
-You stating yourself that d1 VCA is unreliable
-Im sure I can also find you acknowledging that d1 is the weakest part of your game

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What makes it worse is that you KNOW I have a good track record of nailing your alignment as early as day 1 tracking all the way back to magical girl upick.

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I think so. But I'll put in the legwork in a bit to solidify my stance fully anyway. Just give me a bit.

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- FFXIV - failed to sort before claim

- open 785 Anuket Topaz - town by day 2

- FL vs. Hectic - found town day 1

- BooneyToonz: DoDF - failed to sort

- Anime Upick:Shuffle - Found day 2 (repped in day 2)

- BooneyToonz Upick - failed to sort

- Mainstream mafia 2 - picked out as scum

- Anime Upick - found as town

Omitted the games with Titus I was scum in or was scum with Titus.

But my accuracy is not as spot on as I thought. I think I can get to a place with engagement that I can discern Titus' alignment clearly. I feel like giving Titus that out today is letting her off the hook in this instance however.

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You didn't catch anything but whatever helps you hold town accountable. Your slot is continuing to push town in myself and in DV.

What lands you scum on the other 3 minus following hood consensus Titus? And how does that look with how the wagons have moved this game?

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UNVOTE:

That's fine I didn't expect much cooperation when asking.

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Scum hunting in the hood should be prevelant to the slots that are in the hood, sure. I don't really care about elimming there today. We've known about this pool since literally page 1.

This is because the consensus is that Mala is scum in the hood.

Can I get some context on this?

? Over do you know what a neighborhood is?

Friendly reminder it's me, Enchant, Mala and Carca in it. I trust Enchant the most. Mala replaces in and doesn't even bother to have ever typed into the hood. If we know for like 90% certainty 1 scum is in the neighborhood I just know it ain't me.

She also hasn't even talked to me about here or in the hood so I cantt say wecet tried talking it out.

Is the only time I remember a hood member taking a stance on mala. Enchant hasn't mentioned a Mala read and Carca is awol.

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I think consensus in that case meant the collective player base and not just the hood.

This is fair, I didn't read it that way.

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Updated list of claims:
Deas- Ascetic
Titus - Odd night roleblocker
Enchant - not VT
Elsa - not VT
Nero - not VT/maybe VT

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Ehh it's easier to just do it like so

Titus - Odd Night Roleblocker
Elsa Mala Enchant Carca - Neighbor
Deus - Ascetic

Honestly if I'm a betting man, assuming scum have 4, and we have 1 scum in the neighborhood, that leaves not much room for people actually being VT. Maybe the Neighbors are the VTs in this situation.

I just doubt Ascetic fits in with a Roleblocker claim in the same game unless it's TVS.

in what way? that you dont believe ascetic or you dont believe roleblocker?

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What's going on with your hood mala.

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Intent to hammer, Ill let Titus get last thoughts out if she wants. After that i'll hammer.

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Ehh it's easier to just do it like so

Titus - Odd Night Roleblocker
Elsa Mala Enchant Carca - Neighbor
Deus - Ascetic

Honestly if I'm a betting man, assuming scum have 4, and we have 1 scum in the neighborhood, that leaves not much room for people actually being VT. Maybe the Neighbors are the VTs in this situation.

I just doubt Ascetic fits in with a Roleblocker claim in the same game unless it's TVS.

I'd also like a better clarification on if your role is neighbor and you're treating it as named townie? It isnt super important now but could be down the line.

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I don't regret pushing Titus and I was not going to see Titus!town with the responses I got.

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idk about cakes. but a titus redflip still makes me suspect elsa and clears kitty. The other pairing that makes sense to me is bosco/nk. Not as sold as others that NK is VI.

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lol lets not kill people for fun mate.

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Dont think scum!Dann latches onto scum!kitty and then peace out of the thread. Town!Titus flip then its kind of up in the air. the dann/kitty interaction is really the only thing keeping kitty in my town circle.

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Well who am I to keep this train from rolling strong then?

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how many times do we have to teach you this lesson OLD MAN?!?!

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So did mine on Enigma. It's like town wants the Mafia alive.

Hatdcoaim this or retract rn.

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Same with Nero.

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There is a potential mechanical 1v1 today.

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I never took you for a fisherman, RC

If the fish jump into the boat is it fishing?

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Titus said that mala and bosco are solid scums, and there are no reasons at all to defend bosco.

There's a lot wrong with this but maybe it's because of lack of context.

Gross.

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I had a rolecop shot last night and used it on mala. I don't want mala to claim their role just who they visited but I suspect I already know who it was.

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Also I doubt I have to tell this to mala but DO NOT answer anything directed to you in the hood until scum is kicked out of it.

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Also idc what Elsa is talking about my role wasn't interfered with and arguing scum also has a roleblocker that decided to use it on a VT claim is whatever.

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I had a rolecop shot last night and used it on mala. I don't want mala to claim their role just who they visited but I suspect I already know who it was.

i dont know mechanics very good
but is it possible that jailkeeper went to mala?
and what other options?
im not saying that i believe u or not

and i dont understand why are you still talking about absolutely useless hood, seems suspicious

Yes, they could have. Its not likely, I'm using the info I have combined with the info all of town has. I'll explain more when mala checks in however.

Also I e just outed mala as a PR with a targeting ability. Scum in the neighborhood with mala are going to be interested in getting info on what mala did to spin the situation. Preferably in the hood where they have intimate access to mala outside of the majority of towns reach. So yeah it's useless to town not Mafia.

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Over, listen. You are incredibly town ok? I need you to trust that I have given consideration to what could or could not have happened last night regarding mala before I decided to claim. I also need some patience out of you before we can get scum out today.

Scum know exactly what happened last night. I have an informed theory as to what happened but I need mala to show up before we can press it any further.

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Lol I like over almost as much as I like Dr worm.

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I think Elsa is just fucking around.

not sure why over50 is suggesting that mala could have been jailkept

It's weird and I almost rejected it but I can rolecop a potentially jailkept target I think. Jailkeeper works differently everywhere else I've played so it's a valid question I think.

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So did mine on Enigma. It's like town wants the Mafia alive.

That one.

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Spoiler:

d1 final vote count !

Titus (9):

Nero Cain, Elsa Jay, Save The Dragons, over90, SirCakez, DeasVail, Not Known 15, Malakittens, Enchant

mq.bosco (3):

NashedPotato, KittyTacky, Titus

Elsa Jay (1):

mq.bosco

Save The Dragons (1):

ItalianoVD

not voting (2):

Carcalilly, RCEnigma

with 16 alive, it took 9 to cause someone to be ever so slowly slowly locked up in their own house.

modorator notes

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Looking at the wagon here

It’s very odd Titus flipped D1 here. Like very rare I am too lazy to do the statistics but with all three of the others of the hood there there’s gotta be scum on it. If there’s 1 scum in the hood it’s 50/50 odds that scum is at the end, two guaranteed to be that way.

So it kinda makes me think the hammers were done so people couldn’t replace in and Titus wouldn’t be able to defend herself.

I feel like I snuffed Titus' wim with my push so idk if a replacement would have reversed that.

Also, I would have hammered if it wasn't done before a replacement came in. Thought being that night phase would prob get an extension if enough slots weren't replaced.

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Idk what slot math replaced but them coming in and not pushing the town in Titus' poe is town indicative.

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Carca... interesting.

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I can change my mind over time, don't you think?

I mean sure but when what you are claiming what you believed doesn't really line up with what you said it makes it look a little made up, no? When did you start thinking that Titus was going to flip town?

But I have never seen a gated scum roleblocker that I remember. And I explained why roleblockers are rarely fake claims.

You are likely right that roleblock isn't a common fakeclaim b/c giving scum a roleblock is a common thing. but scum not having gates is v untrue.

100% believed that Titus was a roleblocker. I also briefly considered Titus could be down after my meta check but absolutely would have roleblocked me had she loved so I had to force myself further into a scumread regardless.

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You think it's town indicative that Math isn't pushing Titus' town reads?

That he isn't pushing Titus scumreads. I would imagine scum would inform a rep in what the plan is and I believe their best bet is to push on the town slots that Titus was incorrectly pushing as scum.

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It's very possible Titus was wrong on all 4 in her hero solve. If she's right on one it's DV and my DV read is just completely off which is possible.

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I'll talk about it when mala checks in.

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I didn't say it makes math town. But that doesn't change that the action is town indicative.

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You think it's town indicative that Math isn't pushing Titus' town reads?

That he isn't pushing Titus scumreads. I would imagine scum would inform a rep in what the plan is and I believe their best bet is to push on the town slots that Titus was incorrectly pushing as scum.

We elimmed Titus for his scumreads so we can push them, but pushing them is scummy so we don't do it.

What??
A.) That's not even remotely close to the point I was making
2.) I pushed Titus for her reads only in a tangential sense. Like yes I thought her reads were bad ( and I still do) but it was only like an aggregate to the basis I pushed Titus on.

I don't even understand what you're pushing here.

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Am I smooth braining?

Scum pushing Titus scum poe makes sense for scum to do right or wrong?

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Unless scum is exactly me, DV, Bosco, mala I guess.

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I had a rolecop shot last night and used it on mala. I don't want mala to claim their role just who they visited but I suspect I already know who it was.

WHAT
SENSE
OF
THIS

I wasn't townreading mala, Elsa was being dodgy about info when I asked if neighbor was their role or if the were whatever role and just placed in a neighborhood so I wanted clarification, Titus might have been wrong in their poe but it would be what the game pivots on day 2 either way so I wanted more info there.

If you were asking why I targeted mala.

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I guess I can clarify on the neighbor thing since it doesn't really matter to the gamestate but neighbor is included in mala's role name fwiw. I imagine it's the same for the rest in the neighborhood.

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I mean why you revealed that

Because it probably exposes scum today.

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Like we could have reasonably hit scum today anyway but pending what mala did then we for sure hit scum today. It does more for town having the info outed than saving it, if mala or I die for whatever reason then the info is lost anyway.

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I WILL EXPLAIN WHEN MALA CHECKS IN.

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Lol no.

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Can y'all not? NM is in the game. Like I get scum voting mala but at least one of you is town and throwing.

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Err, over was already voting there, it's not as close to e-1 as I thought.

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With there being no nk it's highly highly unlikely mala is scum.

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Ok so full disclosure night one my shot was combined doctor rolecop. Mala came back as jailkeeper neighbor. So she could either have jailkept the killing scum/protected from a kill or been shot in the night.

You guys might have different opinions about what scum would/wouldn't do but I don't see scum shooting mala when Titus dying words were to kill in mala/Bosco and mala was pretty much universally scumread...or at least not townread.

So I'm betting on mala target being shot or being the shooter. Elsa claimed basically VT with a neighborhood D1 so whoever can jump through hoops to explain scum shooting there feel free.

I thought mala targeted kitty tbh with Nero's psuedo claim and the continued push on Bosco made sense from a scum!perspective but I was wrong. Bosco could reasonably be scum.

VOTE: Elsa

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I kinda think we’re just dealing with bad scum here if Elsa is scum. I mean why would scum send Elsa to do the kill? That question doesn’t fit for me. I think we need to flip Elsa as it’s more likely just me not having a grasp on the game yet.

Do you have any ideas, assuming Elsa is scum why they send Elsa to do the kill?

I....don't actually have an answer for this. But I don't think it ultimately matters? Like, being selective on who makes the night kill only really comes down to targets likely to eat a roleblock or fear of being tracked. An invest check is going to get their check regardless.

It would make more sense than Elsa or mala being nk targets though.

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every time different reasons
just imagine of being a jk, stopping the possible night kill, and playing like that. yeah, we will see more posts of mala, but right now there are no reasons to believe her

I'm backing mala as being jailkeeper. If she's scum I'm scum.

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Oh also if mala is scum jailkeeper then the nk is still out there floating without an explanation since scum would not have targeted scum!mala and they wouldn't shoot the target mala jailkeeps.

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I will play like Tutus said, before I hear smth really useful.

If we have 1 scum between Mala and Elsa, I have no problems to elim both of them, if first one will be green

But there are some good things about elsa:
- titus said elsa is town lean;
- elsa claims just a vt (not pr);
- mala is bad;

Over do you think scum would shoot a VT claim in the night when others claimed pr?

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Even if your in the camp of the nk being a PR fish, Elsa was a claimed VT. You guys have all rolled Mafia once or twice so I implore you to think what a team of scum would be thinking in regard to a night kill.

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Lol go for it math.

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I can die knowing I've done my part for the game. Also, good target mala. Glad we did this, sorry for suspecting you lol.

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Mala doesn't have a modifier, just jailkeeper neighbor.

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It might be safe to use the hood to share mala's night action once Elsa flips but that's up to the hood temperature.

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I don't wanna lie and put people somewhere randomly. I can do something better tho if it helps the town. Mala doesn't wanna interact in it anyway.

I am in Masonry with MonkeyMan576, Carcalilly and takotsubo syndrome.

Oh yeah.

I am in Masonry with Anime, Carcalilly and takotsubo syndrome.

It's updated to me, Enchant, Mala, and Carca but we're all in a neighborhood and with 4 people in it it's a pretty easy assumption to assume there's scum in there somewhere. If Over is scum he knows that too and is already setting up my elim tomorrow for not being shot as a PR. I'm nothing but a neighbor.

Been reading the thread and the neighborhood I replaced in and of the 3 I think Enchant is probably the closest to confirmed town to me, while Carca is null and Mala is scummy and most likely to be the evil one.

That help?

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Yes I doctored and rolecopped mala. It's like a joat shot but only 1 target.

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Mala doesn't have a modifier, just jailkeeper neighbor.

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Any kind of doctor could exist. I only know my role and mala's role. So if there is a doctor that's between them and their creator, Schadd.

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If Elsa flips town and we chain elim me and mala because scum just didn't submit a night kill.....it would be hilarious honestly.

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I almost always view town roleblocker as negative town utility.

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No she's arguing that jailkeeper is a scum role.

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I can't see what the explanation for the NK is if mala is scum here. BECAUSE I DID NOT STOP A SCUMKILL ON SCUM.

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If Elsa flips town and we chain elim me and mala because scum just didn't submit a night kill.....it would be hilarious honestly.

What are the odds Mala was shot?

It's nonzero but low nonetheless. So for context Elsa was the likely elim before Titus repped in and I spearheaded the elim on Titus, Titus spent the large part of the wagon duration pushing that myself and DV diverted the elim away from Bosco and that mala was scum based on the lack of hood use and how slots were interacting with mala (idk what that meant)

Mala and Bosco were at the top of Titus' poe at day end and then DV and myself.

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More context: Mala was one of the low end posters by day end but DID spend a portion of the day as the games highest voted wagon at E-3 at some point.

More More Context: the only way I see mala being the shot is for pr fishing, day 1 had -

DV, Nero, Enchant as some form of claimed PR and universal townreads in Nero/Over

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If Elsa flips town and we chain elim me and mala because scum just didn't submit a night kill.....it would be hilarious honestly.

What are the odds Mala was shot?

It's nonzero but low nonetheless. So for context Elsa was the likely elim before Titus repped in and I spearheaded the elim on Titus, Titus spent the large part of the wagon duration pushing that myself and DV diverted the elim away from Bosco and that mala was scum based on the lack of hood use and how slots were interacting with mala (idk what that meant)

Mala and Bosco were at the top of Titus' poe at day end and then DV and myself.

It’s the same low odds to me of Elsa doing the kill or Mala being the shot. If Elsa was that sussed scum shouldn’t send Elsa to do the kill. I am just going to trust you whichever way you go on this I think.

UNVOTE:

I'm still fully on board with elimming Elsa here. But I do want to talk some things out. Both the options are dealing in the world of unlikely. With no other protectives claimed though mala just has to be town in both worlds right?
World 1 Elsa makes the kill town!mala prevents it.
World 2 Elsa doesn't make the kill Town!Mala is protected from kill
World 3 Scum!mala jks Town!Elsa, nk disappears?

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If we put a pin in the mala/Elsa thing I'm up to fielding thoughts about the rest of the game and we still need to hear from like Bosco and NK and cakes.