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Post Post #8850 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:27 am

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In post 8846, MegAzumarill wrote:It is easily possible since cleric protect wouldnt matter if there was only one kill last night

Also both scumteams have a kill tonight since we are in the second group of 3 nights
2-3-4 is a group of three nights with a kill. That doesn’t seem permissible in the rules
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Post Post #8851 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:29 am

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In post 8847, MathBlade wrote:If I am right, wolves and mafia have to no kill based on the rules
As N1 they would have no killed.

Then 2 and 3 they both killed
So then to avoid three nights with kills in a row they’d have to no kill

If there is a kill it’d out FL
I think its grouped for nights 1/2/3 then 4/5/6, then 6/8/9.
Because otherwise scum has no reason to no kill n1 then we have complications
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Post Post #8852 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:30 am

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In order to increase the value of day play in multiball, this game has more scum but fewer nightkills than the first game. The faction sizes are 14:4:4:1, but each scumteam is only allowed to kill 2 nights out of each 3. If a team submits kills nights 1 and 2, they may not kill night 3, and so on.

Each three.

2,3,4 is a pairing of three. Means there must be a no kill in that group.

1,2,3 >> Must have an NK
2,3,4 >> must have an NK
3,4,5 >> Must have an NK

Scum NK on 1 then they have to NK on 4.
It becomes a pattern of threes if I read the rules correctly.
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Post Post #8853 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:31 am

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If not that is horribly unclear to a literalist like me and that sucks.

If it’s your interpretation then a no kill is not mandated and my prior answer is revised.
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Post Post #8854 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:32 am

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The problem is "each 3" can also be interpreted as each seperate group of 3 (123 456 789)
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Post Post #8855 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:32 am

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In post 8854, MegAzumarill wrote:The problem is "each 3" can also be interpreted as each seperate group of 3 (123 456 789)
Yeah I will ask Cephrir which it is.

Silly literal me.
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Post Post #8856 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:35 am

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Running late for work but I think FL is town but if he is scum he’d be outed

I refuse to believe wolves no killed on N1 and N3 which is required for wolves to not shoot at FL N3
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Post Post #8857 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:38 am

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In post 8855, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8854, MegAzumarill wrote:The problem is "each 3" can also be interpreted as each seperate group of 3 (123 456 789)
Yeah I will ask Cephrir which it is.

Silly literal me.
I agree with Math's interpretation. Otherwise this violates the intent as scum could kill 4 out of 5 nights. I feel that's clear by "and so on".
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Post Post #8858 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:38 am

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I understand the argument
N1 mafia shoot RC
N2 mafia shoot butters wolves shoot mastina (this makes more sense in FL lying world and he would say he was two shot to try to eat a bullet and wolves have no interest to correct this)
N3 wolves shoot SCP

If I was arguing FL scum that’s the only way it works

I don’t believe it and it’s more more likely to me wolves shot FL as it requires really low power shots
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Post Post #8859 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:40 am

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Mastina blocks me on N2 in that world

That world is the one to pitch if FL is scum.

I just don’t buy it and I don’t see wolves leaving a capable player like FL around
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Post Post #8860 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:41 am

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I agree FL wouldn’t shoot mastina here as scum.
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Post Post #8861 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:41 am

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I did forget I explicitly cannot be protected from dying if I protect someone from a kill.
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Post Post #8862 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:44 am

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In post 8859, MathBlade wrote:Mastina blocks me on N2 in that world

That world is the one to pitch if FL is scum.

I just don’t buy it and I don’t see wolves leaving a capable player like FL around
If Fl town reads wolves, he's another nk for them as mafia
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Post Post #8863 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:44 am

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no time today but am VT
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Post Post #8864 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:47 am

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One thing about clerics is they explicitly dont investigate as werewolf to occultists
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Post Post #8865 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:47 am

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And roleblockers are faux positives
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Post Post #8866 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:50 am

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I also have a hard time beliving a full cleric can exist ever with limited night kills
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Post Post #8867 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:51 am

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Werewolves did have extra nk power
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Post Post #8868 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:53 am

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In post 8867, MegAzumarill wrote:Werewolves did have extra nk power
How? Not seeing that
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Post Post #8869 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:55 am

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In post 8557, tictac wrote:
In post 8555, Nero Cain wrote:how do the kills work n2 then? wolves kill mastina and he kills butterchurn? So he just got super lucky that the wolves helped him out...
mafleaf shot mastina is what i'm saying.
didn't occur to me that ownteam kills might not be allowed tbh. i'll check.
is allowed as long as teammate consents.
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Post Post #8870 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:56 am

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In post 8553, tictac wrote:u can ask meg or klick to confirm that i said u were my #1 scumread and that i was waiting to see if there was a singlekill night.
@math ur take on my leaf push seems to ignore this.
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Post Post #8871 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:56 am

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i'm a mason. that is all.
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Post Post #8872 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:57 am

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In short Titus we are in one of two worlds
N1 FL/mafia kill RC
N2 Wolves kill Mastina mafia kills butters And FL if town shoots Mastina
N3 Mafia/wolves shoot SCP depending upon whether FL is town or not

Mafia can’t kill three nights in a row
If mafia no kill N1 FL is vig
If mafia no kill N2 FL is vig
If it’s N3 then wolves shot SCP

Wolves then would have to no kill N1 and kill Mastina N2 and SCP N3 in that world.
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Post Post #8873 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:58 am

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In post 0, Cephrir wrote:RCEnigma, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie, fled town Night 1.
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Post Post #8874 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2022 4:59 am

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I just don’t think wolves don’t shoot FL given how townread FL was yesterday.
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