Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

But making a show of things rather than address the arguments

i have.

your arguments are that I bussed catboi d1 and that I'm not voting FL. Neither are good arguments and you know it. I mean I can't "prove" that I didn't bus catboi except for when I flip but just pointing to a wagon and going "ah he bussed!" is catch-all and won't be accurate. I am not voting FL atm, that is true but I never said I wouldn't. but you know, gotta ignore my posts to fit your narrative.

keep lying, it makes me think you are town. /s

You haven’t addressed the FL = scum arguments though

You’re just saying I am a wolf because I alternate between you wolf and you making idiotic plays

[MathBlade]

The case for FL Scum

1. DayPlay
   1. FlavorLeaf wagons
      
      At it's peak on D2 FL wagon was 6 people.
      
      Flavor Leaf (6) | MonkeyMan576, Klick, tictac, Dunnstral, cassowary, SCP
      
      
      SCP voted after Cephrir confirmed something about roles. Koba knew FL was scum. This wagon is all confirmed town (to me) with the exception of tictac. This means wolves didn't want FL wagoned. They knew he was scum. This explains Titus's defense of FL. She knows better. Then why I bring up good points she engages in "what about ism". She knows my flip of town confirms Klick. She's been hard defending FL this entire game.
      
      Then the wagon gets up to 8:
      
      LOOK AT HOW AWESOME THIS WAGON IS: Flavor Leaf (8) | Klick, tictac, Dunnstral, cassowary, mastina, MalcolmTucker, Menalque, MonkeyMan576
      The counter wagons are both mafia and wolf
      Town is legit killing it on D2
      
      Dunnstral then becomes the leading wagon and has a majority of people alive on it. Hello?
      Then it's more Nashville and then out of nowhere Malcolm Tucker who gets hammered.
      
      It's quite clear that Dunnstral and Malcolm Tucker were desperation wagons to avoid elimming FL or Nashville Dreams or CSF.
      
      Scum were all freakin wagoned on D2 and we couldn't consolidate.
      
      MalcolmTucker (11) | Nero Cain, mastina, Save The Dragons, Klick, Nashville Dreams, MonkeyMan576, SCP 682, Ydrasse, tictac, Sword of Ducks, Enchant
      Dunnstral (9) | MathBlade, Save The Dragons, Menalque, MegAzumarill, Nero Cain, bnuuy, Nashville Dreams, cassowary, tictac
      
      Look at who was on Dunnstral and who was on Malcolm Tucker. The commonalities who are alive are myself (who you're welcome to gladiate if you don't believe me), StD (who can't be wolf), Nashville Dreams, Nero Cain, tictac
      
      Should be pretty damn obvious Nashville Dreams is scum at this point with FL by VCA
      
      
      Things also of note but hard to fit in chronologically and stay on topic: FL defended Enchant and did not push on CSF long. Typical distancing pushes.
      
      
      
      
   2. A history of actions
      
      This should be collaborated by STD's timeline here
      Underlined things are supported by STD.
      
      Day 1 Flavor Leaf accumulates a moderate amount of suspicion.
      
      Night 1 - Claims vig in hood and why - Knowing he's scum he needs to come up with something that would have a gun. His choices are invest or vig. Invest he'd have to out his buddies or clear town or from being mafia risk false information. The safer fake claim is vig. So he does. This is his MO. See Team Mafia. He tries to make his role fit as much as possible. He doesn't claim his gate though. This is a point of suspicion as at this point if StD or Koba are mafia they can just shoot him. Very little sus would turn on the hood as FL is a prominently good player. [Sidebar why is Titus still alive? She's scum] I can understand hding a gate for an invest, but as town we need to sort out the night kills to find scum. He does not give Koba or StD the information to do this because his vig is fake.
      
      Day 2 ->
      FL claims to have killed catboi in the monkery
      FL gets guiltied by two gunsmith checks. A wagon of probably all town begins to form on him. It gets up to 6 twice an then 8.
      
      During this time Koba leashes FL to mastina here
      After clarifications on how roles work,
      SCP (Koba) votes for FL
      here Post 5545. FL adds to / alters his gate. Wagon gets up to 8 almost all town then disappears.
      
      This is absolutely what a scum FL does.
      
      Night 2 -> Shoots Mastina with the mafia kill as he's forced to. Knowing his hands are tied, and knowing that there's two gunsmith claims in play his team just picks one to block since there's no other claims yet. Either that or I was checked to be more than I was or scum teams were informed I exist. Mastina HAD to use her block then because she was going to die.
      
      
   3. Meta (underlined is team mafia parallel)
      
      viewtopic.php?p=12633281#p12633281
      
      here he says he never claims vig as scum See above where he says that he never claims JOAT as scum except he did
      
      
      viewtopic.php?p=12610498#p12610498
      Argues to take out mech when he doesn't get his way
      Then he does the same here
      
      
      viewtopic.php?p=12613960#p12613960
      Argues he has had good reads all game so is not scum
      Has argued the same here
      
      Counter point: It doesn't matter if you don't actually fucking elim them

I will do mechanics in a separate post since my migraine is killing me.

For Keeper

[MathBlade]

If you would address these you’d be helping me elim FL

[Nero Cain]

like Math bending over backward to scumread me and continuously lying is just kinda horrible.

[Nero Cain]

You haven’t addressed the FL = scum arguments though

ok

I don't really feel like that's what you said in 10522. This sounds more like a "you aren't addressing the arguments against you." which I totally did but ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

In 10517 I quoted my own posts where I pushed for a glad between FL/SOD, and said the last red is between FL and Keeper. If that's not giving my thoughts on FL then I don't know what is.

Either you are doing a miserable job of reading or you are just scum lying through their teeth.

[Nashville Dreams]

Haven't read up but I don't like Math's push on Nero aft E r I highlighted that he'd have to convince me Nero was scum to move, but I'll hear him out. Slight remote distancing chance given how hard I TR Nero by play.

[Cephrir]

votecount 5.3

Flavor Leaf (4) | MathBlade, tictac, Menalque, bnuuy
MathBlade (4) | Flavor Leaf, Nashville Dreams, Nero Cain, Sword of Ducks

Not Voting | Save The Dragons, The Keeper, Klick

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-06-20 21:29:00).

[Klick]

Town have had 4 elims in this game, have killed 4 town
The scum have had a much higher success rate at killing scum than us

Aiming specifically for Mafia with 0% chance of hitting a wolf is ridiculous and I'm not entertaining it

[MathBlade]

Town have had 4 elims in this game, have killed 4 town
The scum have had a much higher success rate at killing scum than us

Aiming specifically for Mafia with 0% chance of hitting a wolf is ridiculous and I'm not entertaining it

Then we fucking no elim

As it’s the only way we do not lose

We have to hit mafia or we lose

Like Titus is waving her goddamn wolf role PM in front of us I still can’t elim her because we lose

[MathBlade]

Me FL or no elim are your only goddamn options

[MathBlade]

votecount 5.3

Flavor Leaf (4) | MathBlade, tictac, Menalque, bnuuy
MathBlade (4) | Flavor Leaf, Nashville Dreams, Nero Cain, Sword of Ducks

Not Voting | Save The Dragons, The Keeper, Klick

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-06-20 21:29:00).

It’s me FL or nothing here Klick.

[Klick]

A lot of the things you state as facts are blatantly not, it's a manipulation tactic and I'm not going to entertain it. Last response on the topic.

[Nashville Dreams]

Not feeling well. Responses may be unclear. 2.5 hours from reading games. Taking day largely off bc ill. Got to covid test point but negative.

~Titus

[Nashville Dreams]

Town have had 4 elims in this game, have killed 4 town
The scum have had a much higher success rate at killing scum than us

Aiming specifically for Mafia with 0% chance of hitting a wolf is ridiculous and I'm not entertaining it

Then we fucking no elim

As it’s the only way we do not lose

We have to hit mafia or we lose

Like Titus is waving her goddamn wolf role PM in front of us I still can’t elim her because we lose

Why would eliminating a wolf be a loss?

I don't see that.

[Save The Dragons]

why is math assuming both mafia and wolves would hit town in a night kill scenario

[Nashville Dreams]

why is math assuming both mafia and wolves would hit town in a night kill scenario

Which one for my read up? I ran some numbers when I was clearer but I still want to compare at lunch or driving back.

[Save The Dragons]

10475

[Nashville Dreams]

Can someone run it supposing Wolves kill mafia tonight?

[Nashville Dreams]

Wait, that's the same numbers as if we lim mafia today I think.

We need to run it supposing mafia shoots a wolf

[Save The Dragons]

@klick

i think menalque is a wolf but if that's off the table that's fine

i think tictac could be a wolf. no presence just popping in with scummy opinions every once in a while

i think bnuny could be a wolf, hasn't done much lately seems resigned to pushing wagons on town

i think nashville could be a wolf though i'm not too sure wrt to catboi but still just got a scum vibe from them

i think mathblade could be wolf trying to take control and trying to pocket you with a town clear

that's probably the order i feel confident about

not sure about keeper.

[Save The Dragons]

7:3:1

maf kills wolf, wolf kills town

6:2:1

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7:3:1

maf kills town, wolf kills maf

6:3

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7:3:1

cross kill

7:2

[Nashville Dreams]

StD if we get 2 kills tonight, we get none tmo.

[Save The Dragons]

huh?

[Nashville Dreams]

I think that's a plot hole with Math's calculations as well eyebslling it.

[Nashville Dreams]

huh?

Scum can only kill 2 days in a 3 day set. Twice in 1 2 3. Twice in 4 5 6. We got 2 kills n4. Assuming we get two kills n5, scum can't kill n6.