Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[Flavor Leaf]

Also Flavor, do you see any chance we accidentally eliminate a mafia today?

Well, I think Bnuuy/Menalque both have a chance to be Mafia if Sword is a Wolf.

[Nashville Dreams]

I forgot to mention bunny is a vanilla.

Can you talk about your Sword read?

[Flavor Leaf]

I forgot to mention bunny is a vanilla.

Can you talk about your Sword read?

For the most part, I’m town reading them. I told STD that I hope I’m not giving them a free pass.

I can go find the posts from Day 1 that made me town read them.

The self vote yesterday, I also don’t really see coming from scum, but like if it is, Sword has been coasting this entire game.

So I’m like 80% town 12% mafia, 8% wolf with them, I think.

[Klick]

With no kills likely happening tonight, that means if we hit a wolf, then we’re at 7.

We hit another wolf Day 7, we at 6.

With a 4-1-1 split. Going into night 7, worst case scenario we get to a 2-1-1.

Crosskilling stops that, but it’s risky.

If we hit wolf today, then mafia tomorrow, we at 6 in a 4-2 split going into Night 7, and we end up in a 5p eylo.

2-1-1 is not very likely, and is also a better outcome than 5p ELo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Toogeloo, Town Voyeur,
MalcolmTucker, Town Hirsute Saint,
Ydrasse, Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor
Dunnstral, Hirsute Townie,
SCP 682, Town Monk,
cassowary, Town Acolyte,
MegAzumarill, Town Bodyguard Mason,
MathBlade, Town Modified Jack of All Trades (gunsmith, occultist, doctor, cleric),
Save The Dragons, Town Monk,
The Keeper, Town 1-shot Gladiator,

Enchant, Mafia Goon,
mastina, Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker
Cat Scratch Fever, Mafia Silversmith 1-shot Personal Janitor,

Catboi, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie,

butterchurn, Malefactor 1-shot Watcher,

Gonna need this in a sec.

Klick, Mason
TicTac, Mason
Flavor, Monk
Nashville, Vanilla Cop?
Nero??
Bnuuy Vanilla
Menalque??
Sword Vanilla

So I guess I need Nero/Menalque claims, as I can't remember what they were.

[Flavor Leaf]

At a glance, CSF looks like the parallel role to TicTac.

Bookie seems about as powerful as Janitor.

One of the Vanillas is probably a wolf as a parallel to Enchant. Possibility of more vanillas being scum, but i might want to cancel some out, tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

Toogeloo, Town Voyeur,
MalcolmTucker, Town Hirsute Saint,
Ydrasse, Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor
Dunnstral, Hirsute Townie,
SCP 682, Town Monk,
cassowary, Town Acolyte,
MegAzumarill, Town Bodyguard Mason,
MathBlade, Town Modified Jack of All Trades (gunsmith, occultist, doctor, cleric),
Save The Dragons, Town Monk,
The Keeper, Town 1-shot Gladiator,

Enchant, Mafia Goon,
mastina, Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker
Cat Scratch Fever, Mafia Silversmith 1-shot Personal Janitor,

Catboi, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie,

butterchurn, Malefactor 1-shot Watcher,

Gonna need this in a sec.

Klick, Mason
TicTac, Mason
Flavor, Monk
Nashville, Vanilla Cop?
Nero??
Bnuuy Vanilla
Menalque??
Sword Vanilla

So I guess I need Nero/Menalque claims, as I can't remember what they were.

i forgot to put Klick's Gunsmith and my Vig here.

[Nashville Dreams]

I follow on a vt parallel.

The only way I see Tictac parralel is if you're last mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

So looking back to Day 1, I think Bnuuy was hatcheting me for pushing Catboi. The thing that gives me pause is Menalque's push on Bnuuy, meaning it could be Menalque as the last Mafia defending Catboi in a similar way that Mastina was defending Catboi.

However, it's not impossible, Menalque pushed Bnuuy Goon to get steam off of Catboi, knowing Bnuuy wouldn't go through, which makes my trick of speed voting Bnuuy to get the wagon to stop more layered.

Bnuuy also started FOS'ing SCP on Day 2, knowing they were a Monk who was saving another Monk.

I don't really see a world where Bnuuy is town here. Menalque-Sword-TicTac world, with one of Nero/Nash as Mafia, I guess.

Idk, I think a Vanilla is a Wolf here, and we only have Bnuuy/Sword for Vanilla, right?

It also makes sense why Bnuuy was backing up Mathblade from the sidelines. They wanted the double Math/FL misfade.

[Flavor Leaf]

I follow on a vt parallel.

The only way I see Tictac parralel is if you're last mafia.

CSF was a pseudo Monk with their Silversmith. You don't think that would be a little weird to have that and a Monk on the same team?

CSF feels like a combination parallel to TicTac and Catboi's role. Janitor and Bookie deal with the killings, then Silversmith/Mason give half innos.

each team with a Vanilla.

Each team with a stronger role like Mastinas.

Each team with another mid-low level role probably.

I don't think it would be exact parallels. The Vanilla is just the easiest exact parallel to assume, imo.

[Nashville Dreams]

Idk, I think a Vanilla is a Wolf here, and we only have Bnuuy/Sword for Vanilla, right?

We have Menalque here as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is not scum Sword.

Spoiler:

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

bad feeling bad feeling!

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

bad feeling bad feeling!

Can you elaborate

gut read, but I have nothing to trust except my gut this game

why is that specific to this game?

Because of my role, of course, obviously, how could you not have guessed/assumed this on your own?

what posts pinged you

I don't think I can tie it to a post/posts - it's moreso a general feeling.

I don't think I can tie it to a post/posts - it's moreso a general feeling.

You're very clearly a new player and i think you are having a hard time navigating in this environment. Hence you have a gutread on me that says scum.
That said, i do townread you and don't think you are being fake.

I'm not wholly a new player, it's more that I'm interacting with people I don't know from prior experience / haven't played on this site before.

I don't think I can tie it to a post/posts - it's moreso a general feeling.

You're very clearly a new player and i think you are having a hard time navigating in this environment. Hence you have a gutread on me that says scum.
That said, i do townread you and don't think you are being fake.

I'm not wholly a new player, it's more that I'm interacting with people I don't know from prior experience / haven't played on this site before.

How much previous experience?

One game town with the same exact role, two games I played poorly as mafia, and one

fantastic

role madness game as a serial killer.

One game town with the same exact role, two games I played poorly as mafia, and one

fantastic

role madness game as a serial killer.

Just to be clear, you're claiming you've rolled vanilla townie in this game?

Yep.

One game town with the same exact role, two games I played poorly as mafia, and one

fantastic

role madness game as a serial killer.

Just to be clear, you're claiming you've rolled vanilla townie in this game?

Yep.

And if you think this is a lie, there are 2 scenarios where I can roll no ability and have no way to help myself:

1. I'm an indie survivor, because I need to live to win, but can't help myself out in any way/shape/form,
2. I'm a malefactor and my goal is to screw over the town, but if I was, then I'd no longer have nothing to hide like this!

(there are probably more roles where no ability can help/hinder, these are the two that come to mind for me where I can't further my wincon on my own)

Like, Sword, if you're scum here, you win, because i think that's how obviously town you are. even moreso now than when i called you town earlier.

When I'm scum I know I have something to hide. I feel the weight of the truth. I feel horrible for lying to honest people.

Here I have nothing to hide. I feel free.

hmmm UNVOTE: NorwegianboyEE

okay what do I have to say to stir the pot what will get us somewhere

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk, I think a Vanilla is a Wolf here, and we only have Bnuuy/Sword for Vanilla, right?

We have Menalque here as well.

okay, neat.

What was Nero's claim?

[Nashville Dreams]

Vanilla I believe but I am pretty sure Nero's town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Enchant, Mafia Goon,
mastina, Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker
Cat Scratch Fever, Mafia Silversmith 1-shot Personal Janitor

????? Maf Goon


Catboi, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie,

Bnuuy, Wolf Goon
TicTac, Wolf Mason
????? Wolf Protective/Block?

butterchurn, Malefactor 1-shot Watcher,

is where I'm leaning right now.

what were all your actions, Titus?

[Flavor Leaf]

TicTac could be a Mason hybrid role considering the Mafia team.

We're confirmed not in a parallel world, though. so far we had 2 1-shots split out on masons, but 1 2-shot in the Monks, so it could be three more goons we're working with, 2 on each team.

[Flavor Leaf]

Bnuuy Wolf Goon
Menalque Wolf Goon
TicTac Wolf Mason + Role
Catboi Wolf Bookie

Enchant Maf Goon
Sword Maf Goon
CSF Maf Silversmith Janitor
Mastina Maf Wolfsbane Roleblock

idk if I think this is it, just looking at it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Initially, this looks like Maf is slightly stronger, but Mafia has the extra gunsmith to worry about, and Werewolves have double Hirsute's helping them hide.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess Math/Klick get red herring on each other and myself, though.


I'll do some VCA later, and think about stuff.

[Nashville Dreams]

Enchant, Mafia Goon,
mastina, Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker
Cat Scratch Fever, Mafia Silversmith 1-shot Personal Janitor

????? Maf Goon


Catboi, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie,

Bnuuy, Wolf Goon
TicTac, Wolf Mason
????? Wolf Protective/Block?

butterchurn, Malefactor 1-shot Watcher,

is where I'm leaning right now.

what were all your actions, Titus?

N1 SoD vanilla
N2 mastina not vanilla dead
N3 cassowary not vanilla
N4 Keeper not vanilla
N5 Bnuuy vanilla

[Nashville Dreams]

Flavor, I'm seeing a lot of inconsistencies in your reads.

You have Sword at extremely likely town but he's your goon choice. You're using setup spec to determine a lot of your reads rather than relationships with other players. I want to trust your wolf reads but I can't with issues like that. Is your goal to eliminate mafia or a wolf today?

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor, I'm seeing a lot of inconsistencies in your reads.

You have Sword at extremely likely town but he's your goon choice. You're using setup spec to determine a lot of your reads rather than relationships with other players. I want to trust your wolf reads but I can't with issues like that. Is your goal to eliminate mafia or a wolf today?

I’m not really going for consistency, I’m going for possibilities.

I would like a Mafia one to clear me, but I’m more certain of where wolves are.

I am looking for scum in my town reads.

Just because I have someone as town, doesn’t mean i think they are necessarily town. I feel like I’ve expressed my doubt in Sword.

My issue is I have been reading you, Nero, and Sword as town throughout this game, so I think it’s fair for me to look into possibilities on the one I was giving a “new pass” towards.

For me, Bnuuy/TicTac are close to lock scum for me, it’s more of a matter if i think Bnuuy is Mafia or wolf, which is dictating the other possibilities.

You make sense as a possible Mafia to me, but I’ve been town reading you since early, but i know it’s not impossible for that to happen, but my gut still reads you as town. I’m not going to talk to you necessarily about my theories of you being Mafia, i don’t think that makes much sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also said I don’t know if that was it, just wanted to look at it.

From my proposed wolf team of Bnuuy/Menalque/TicTac, that leaves You, Nero, and Sword, which are all 3 town reads of mine since Day 1.

I’m not sure where else the goon choice is supposed to be if I’m not pushing Nero as Mafia. Sword’s the only one in that scenario that fit, so I was looking to see if the puzzle looked complete.

[Flavor Leaf]

So I feel like it’s incredibly consistent, personally.

[Flavor Leaf]

My preferred fade path would probably be Bnuuy->Menalque because the two of them both have a possibility of being Mafia while also having a high chance of being wolves.